Recruit - Scott Martin

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Fri May 26, 2006 9:01 pm

transfer2BGSU wrote:
BGDrew wrote:A school can not just pull a scholarship on a player without the player either quitting or breaking team rules.
Technically that is not true. A grant-in-aid is for one year and is awarded on a yearly basis. BGSU has pulled athletic grants-in-aid before (there is an appeals committee).

That's what I've always thought...I trust you know what you're talking about Transfer.

It's pretty rare that a player has it revoked for anything other than disciplinary reasons, but it is not a guarantee of 4 years of education.

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Sat May 27, 2006 7:59 pm

I think I've heard of newly-hired football coaches coming in and pulling scholarships from players he didn't think were deserving. I can't remember the schools. It seems rather harsh.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Sat May 27, 2006 8:24 pm

San Diego Falcon wrote:I think I've heard of newly-hired football coaches coming in and pulling scholarships from players he didn't think were deserving. I can't remember the schools. It seems rather harsh.

A written scholarship offer is a legal contract. You can only lose your scholarship if you quit the team, become inelgible, or get kicked off the team. The inelgible part is iffy as well, since coaches will frequently hold on to players if they're grades are suffering.

OptionQB · Post by **OptionQB** » Sat May 27, 2006 10:28 pm

The NCAA has ruled time and again that the schollies and LOI are only legal documents with the coach they are signed with. The most recent case of this can be seen in Oklahoma where 3 top 50 recruits signed with Kelvin Sampson and asked for and were given their releases when he went to IU.

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Sun May 28, 2006 10:56 am

It was Steve Spurrier who pulled scholarships:

http://www.accessnorthga.com/sports/new ... p?ID=94597

BGSUfalcons · Post by **BGSUfalcons** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:48 pm

San Diego Falcon wrote:It was Steve Spurrier who pulled scholarships:

http://www.accessnorthga.com/sports/new ... p?ID=94597

This is an interesting quote by Spurrier from the article:

"I'll tell you something I learned a long time ago, everybody doesn't like me and everybody doesn't like South Carolina."

Everybody doesn't like him and everybody doesn't like South Carolina? That has to be tough on a coach and a school. How does he gets recruits, fans, etc. Isn't he married? His wife doesn't like him?

I think new coaches sometimes pull offers from kids, but this is prior to anything being signed. I remember Mark Dantonio from Cincinnati getting criticized for doing this soon after he was hired. The problem, of course, is that oftentimes the recruits who have verbally committed will have completely stopped looking at other schools and have no other options. Here is a link to the Cincy story: http://hsohio.scout.com/2/223910.html

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue May 30, 2006 3:55 pm

That's true, but it also works the other way. Kids are allowed to verbal to schools but then switch on signing day. Now a coach that needed 3 lineman only has 2 and has to use a walk on to fill out the depth chart. If one side is allowed to back out, the other side has to be allowed to as well.

fredthefalcon · Post by **fredthefalcon** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:35 am

My latest issue of "Van Coleman's Future Stars" centered on the top 200 HS players. Usually BG or MAC teams are not listed as being of much interest, but this year we were in on two. One of those was Scott Martin who was rated #75. It's nice we're mentioned but I have a feeling that unless something drastic happens, a player of this caliber generally would go to the Big Ten (six of those schools are interested). Scout.com now shows his interest in BG as low.

The other player is also a Hoosier. #194 a 6'7" PF from Connersville, Matt Howard. Scout says he's a blue collar player but does not show BG as a contender. Van indicates BG in the running with Purdue, WV, Valpo, Xavier, Indiana, and Miami (O). Likely a better chance but like I said it's rare that a top 200 is interested in MAC schools.

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:11 pm

fredthefalcon wrote:My latest issue of "Van Coleman's Future Stars" centered on the top 200 HS players. Usually BG or MAC teams are not listed as being of much interest, but this year we were in on two. One of those was Scott Martin who was rated #75. It's nice we're mentioned but I have a feeling that unless something drastic happens, a player of this caliber generally would go to the Big Ten (six of those schools are interested). Scout.com now shows his interest in BG as low.

The other player is also a Hoosier. #194 a 6'7" PF from Connersville, Matt Howard. Scout says he's a blue collar player but does not show BG as a contender. Van indicates BG in the running with Purdue, WV, Valpo, Xavier, Indiana, and Miami (O). Likely a better chance but like I said it's rare that a top 200 is interested in MAC schools.

It seems that normally in the early going, a top 50-200 recruit will list 10 or schools which will always include a couple mid-majors as safety schools and a range of majors from across 3 conferences.

fredthefalcon · Post by **fredthefalcon** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:30 pm

BleedOrange wrote:
It seems that normally in the early going, a top 50-200 recruit will list 10 or schools which will always include a couple mid-majors as safety schools and a range of majors from across 3 conferences.

I think you may have overstated this a little. Just perusing the list in Future Stars, the statement you made is not really applicable until the list reaches about 140 and above. Even then it is usually only one mid-major and either one in the recruit's backyard or the hot program like S. Illinois. Still the majority of players on this list only note the large schools. But I do grant you that there are a lot of players that list the likes of Michigan, Ohio State,Illinois, UConn, etc. Obviously, a lot of these players are going to have lower their standards.