We should have a better record when we play OSU

[tekekini]

BG is going to lose to OU, KENT, Miami and maybe Buffalo.

And Ohio State is going to lose to Texas, Iowa, Michigan and Indiana. Have a problem with that definitive statement?

yea, BG losing those games is more realistic and is quite probable considering the lack of experience on the D and the offense for BG

[BGSUFootballFan]

I thought OSU is only returning 2 starters on D. Losing all 9 to the NFL right? So then by your math of lack of experience ='s loses to garabage teams, then OSU should post the ole goose egg in the wins column this season? Or is there another/one other team on their schedule with less return experience?

[bgsufalcon24]

BG is going to lose to OU, KENT, Miami and maybe Buffalo.

And Ohio State is going to lose to Texas, Iowa, Michigan and Indiana. Have a problem with that definitive statement?

yea, BG losing those games is more realistic and is quite probable considering the lack of experience on the D and the offense for BG

BG will NEVER lose to Kent, Miami, Ohio, and Buffalo in the same season. We aren't Buffalo, we aren't Kent State, we aren't Temple, we're Bowling Green! We have had winning records the last 5 seasons straight! Don't even start with this "we're terrible because we lost people" bullshit. That was honestly the most pessimistic thing I've ever heard on this board. How can you call yourself a fan, predicting losses to Kent and Fuffalo at home?

[tekekini]

I thought OSU is only returning 2 starters on D. Losing all 9 to the NFL right? So then by your math of lack of experience ='s loses to garabage teams, then OSU should post the ole goose egg in the wins column this season? Or is there another/one other team on their schedule with less return experience?

you sir, need to go back and read the rest of the thread and get caught up on the philosophy.

if you would have read the rest of the thread then you would have caught that my statement is based off the quality of athletes BG gets compared to OSU, the overall experience especially in skilled positions comming back, and this one wasnt mentioned yet but the quality of coaching OSU has compared to BG.

OSU has basically the whole offense back, quality players to step in on D OSU is fine

BG never had a defense, not quite the good athletes like osu has to step up and BG lost its whole offense

that is the difference

[BGSUFootballFan]

First off, your "philosophy" still does not make any sense. Yes, I read that you think OSU recruits better athletes than BG. What person in their right mind doesnt think so? What you are missing is how it relates to the big picture. BG is a MAC school (which is smaller and less prestigious than the Big 10). BG plays most of its games against the MAC (just like OSU does with Big 10). Therefore by losing x number of former 2 star recruits, and replacing them with the same amount of 2 star recruits, is just as relative as OSU doing the same with 5 star recruits. My point is that you are saying OSU lost a lot of GREAT players, but can replace them with GREAT players simply because they are OSU. Well Bowling Green lost a lot of good players, but can and will replace them with a lot of good players simply because they are Bowling Green!

Secondly, when arguing and trying to make a point to someone else (ie me) for not reading an entire thread, dont include in that point that there were "ones that werent mentioned" because I for one cannot read your mind and can only base my opinion on what you have written, not what you forgot to mention (as in I'm assuming it wasnt the 1st thing on your mind and took a lot more thinking to come up with this one, which makes it a less valid point because it came after the fact).

Lastly, I totally disagree on the returning starters issue. You seem to think relatively speaking OSU has a better returning group than BG because they have more Offense and skill players returning. Well I think its most important to have your DEFENSE to have more players returning, and on offense it would be easier to replace those skill positions than the offensive line! Look at WVU last year with a True Frosh QB and RB! PSU with those True Frosh WR's. Experience is more valuable on D because playing time lends more to making more plays and same thing on the Offense with the Offensive line.

Relative Returning Players Game

DL- 2 and 2 for each school BG-1 OSU-1
LB- OSU w/ no one, BG w/ a 100 tackle senior BG-2 OSU-1
DB- OSU w/ no one, BG w/ Antonio ESPN Smith BG-3 OSU-1
OL- OSU w/3, BG w/ 4 including best OL in the Conf IMO BG-4 OSU-1
WR- OSU w/3, BG w/ 3 BG-5 OSU-2
HB- OSU w/ Pittman, BG no one BG-5 OSU-3
QB- OSU w/ Smith (even tho he didnt start all) BG- Turner who started some but we all know why, so I wont count it BG-5 OSU-4
PK,P- none for both teams, so no points there.

Final Score of the relative Returning Players Game
BG-5 OSU-4

This never ever had anything to do with the type of recruiting or whatever crap you are trying to say about OSU. My grandmother, mother and father attended a Big10 school, and I am currently attending a Big10 school. So dont worry, I GET IT about being a league above the MAC and recruiting a different breed of athlete. But you know what, BG is playing Buff, Kent, Temple, FIU, EMU this year not Michigan, Iowa, Penn St, Minn, and Purdue!

[bgsufalcon24]

First off, your "philosophy" still does not make any sense. Yes, I read that you think OSU recruits better athletes than BG. What person in their right mind doesnt think so? What you are missing is how it relates to the big picture. BG is a MAC school (which is smaller and less prestigious than the Big 10). BG plays most of its games against the MAC (just like OSU does with Big 10). Therefore by losing x number of former 2 star recruits, and replacing them with the same amount of 2 star recruits, is just as relative as OSU doing the same with 5 star recruits. My point is that you are saying OSU lost a lot of GREAT players, but can replace them with GREAT players simply because they are OSU. Well Bowling Green lost a lot of good players, but can and will replace them with a lot of good players simply because they are Bowling Green!

Secondly, when arguing and trying to make a point to someone else (ie me) for not reading an entire thread, dont include in that point that there were "ones that werent mentioned" because I for one cannot read your mind and can only base my opinion on what you have written, not what you forgot to mention (as in I'm assuming it wasnt the 1st thing on your mind and took a lot more thinking to come up with this one, which makes it a less valid point because it came after the fact).

Lastly, I totally disagree on the returning starters issue. You seem to think relatively speaking OSU has a better returning group than BG because they have more Offense and skill players returning. Well I think its most important to have your DEFENSE to have more players returning, and on offense it would be easier to replace those skill positions than the offensive line! Look at WVU last year with a True Frosh QB and RB! PSU with those True Frosh WR's. Experience is more valuable on D because playing time lends more to making more plays and same thing on the Offense with the Offensive line.

Relative Returning Players Game

DL- 2 and 2 for each school BG-1 OSU-1
LB- OSU w/ no one, BG w/ a 100 tackle senior BG-2 OSU-1
DB- OSU w/ no one, BG w/ Antonio ESPN Smith BG-3 OSU-1
OL- OSU w/3, BG w/ 4 including best OL in the Conf IMO BG-4 OSU-1
WR- OSU w/3, BG w/ 3 BG-5 OSU-2
HB- OSU w/ Pittman, BG no one BG-5 OSU-3
QB- OSU w/ Smith (even tho he didnt start all) BG- Turner who started some but we all know why, so I wont count it BG-5 OSU-4
PK,P- none for both teams, so no points there.

Final Score of the relative Returning Players Game
BG-5 OSU-4

This never ever had anything to do with the type of recruiting or whatever crap you are trying to say about OSU. My grandmother, mother and father attended a Big10 school, and I am currently attending a Big10 school. So dont worry, I GET IT about being a league above the MAC and recruiting a different breed of athlete. But you know what, BG is playing Buff, Kent, Temple, FIU, EMU this year not Michigan, Iowa, Penn St, Minn, and Purdue!

That last sentence says it all. Because of the schedule that BG plays, it is virtually impossible to have even as much as a losing record, even if our QB and RB go down like they did last season.

[tekekini]

First off, your "philosophy" still does not make any sense. Yes, I read that you think OSU recruits better athletes than BG. What person in their right mind doesnt think so? What you are missing is how it relates to the big picture. BG is a MAC school (which is smaller and less prestigious than the Big 10). BG plays most of its games against the MAC (just like OSU does with Big 10). Therefore by losing x number of former 2 star recruits, and replacing them with the same amount of 2 star recruits, is just as relative as OSU doing the same with 5 star recruits. My point is that you are saying OSU lost a lot of GREAT players, but can replace them with GREAT players simply because they are OSU. Well Bowling Green lost a lot of good players, but can and will replace them with a lot of good players simply because they are Bowling Green!

Secondly, when arguing and trying to make a point to someone else (ie me) for not reading an entire thread, dont include in that point that there were "ones that werent mentioned" because I for one cannot read your mind and can only base my opinion on what you have written, not what you forgot to mention (as in I'm assuming it wasnt the 1st thing on your mind and took a lot more thinking to come up with this one, which makes it a less valid point because it came after the fact).

Lastly, I totally disagree on the returning starters issue. You seem to think relatively speaking OSU has a better returning group than BG because they have more Offense and skill players returning. Well I think its most important to have your DEFENSE to have more players returning, and on offense it would be easier to replace those skill positions than the offensive line! Look at WVU last year with a True Frosh QB and RB! PSU with those True Frosh WR's. Experience is more valuable on D because playing time lends more to making more plays and same thing on the Offense with the Offensive line.

Relative Returning Players Game

DL- 2 and 2 for each school BG-1 OSU-1
LB- OSU w/ no one, BG w/ a 100 tackle senior BG-2 OSU-1
DB- OSU w/ no one, BG w/ Antonio ESPN Smith BG-3 OSU-1
OL- OSU w/3, BG w/ 4 including best OL in the Conf IMO BG-4 OSU-1
WR- OSU w/3, BG w/ 3 BG-5 OSU-2
HB- OSU w/ Pittman, BG no one BG-5 OSU-3
QB- OSU w/ Smith (even tho he didnt start all) BG- Turner who started some but we all know why, so I wont count it BG-5 OSU-4
PK,P- none for both teams, so no points there.

Final Score of the relative Returning Players Game
BG-5 OSU-4

This never ever had anything to do with the type of recruiting or whatever crap you are trying to say about OSU. My grandmother, mother and father attended a Big10 school, and I am currently attending a Big10 school. So dont worry, I GET IT about being a league above the MAC and recruiting a different breed of athlete. But you know what, BG is playing Buff, Kent, Temple, FIU, EMU this year not Michigan, Iowa, Penn St, Minn, and Purdue!

That last sentence says it all. Because of the schedule that BG plays, it is virtually impossible to have even as much as a losing record, even if our QB and RB go down like they did last season.

1. you're in for a suprise

[BGSUFootballFan]

What is a suprise?

[tekekini]

First off, your "philosophy" still does not make any sense. Yes, I read that you think OSU recruits better athletes than BG. What person in their right mind doesnt think so? What you are missing is how it relates to the big picture. BG is a MAC school (which is smaller and less prestigious than the Big 10). BG plays most of its games against the MAC (just like OSU does with Big 10). Therefore by losing x number of former 2 star recruits, and replacing them with the same amount of 2 star recruits, is just as relative as OSU doing the same with 5 star recruits. My point is that you are saying OSU lost a lot of GREAT players, but can replace them with GREAT players simply because they are OSU. Well Bowling Green lost a lot of good players, but can and will replace them with a lot of good players simply because they are Bowling Green!

Secondly, when arguing and trying to make a point to someone else (ie me) for not reading an entire thread, dont include in that point that there were "ones that werent mentioned" because I for one cannot read your mind and can only base my opinion on what you have written, not what you forgot to mention (as in I'm assuming it wasnt the 1st thing on your mind and took a lot more thinking to come up with this one, which makes it a less valid point because it came after the fact).

Lastly, I totally disagree on the returning starters issue. You seem to think relatively speaking OSU has a better returning group than BG because they have more Offense and skill players returning. Well I think its most important to have your DEFENSE to have more players returning, and on offense it would be easier to replace those skill positions than the offensive line! Look at WVU last year with a True Frosh QB and RB! PSU with those True Frosh WR's. Experience is more valuable on D because playing time lends more to making more plays and same thing on the Offense with the Offensive line.

Relative Returning Players Game

DL- 2 and 2 for each school BG-1 OSU-1
LB- OSU w/ no one, BG w/ a 100 tackle senior BG-2 OSU-1
DB- OSU w/ no one, BG w/ Antonio ESPN Smith BG-3 OSU-1
OL- OSU w/3, BG w/ 4 including best OL in the Conf IMO BG-4 OSU-1
WR- OSU w/3, BG w/ 3 BG-5 OSU-2
HB- OSU w/ Pittman, BG no one BG-5 OSU-3
QB- OSU w/ Smith (even tho he didnt start all) BG- Turner who started some but we all know why, so I wont count it BG-5 OSU-4
PK,P- none for both teams, so no points there.

Final Score of the relative Returning Players Game
BG-5 OSU-4

This never ever had anything to do with the type of recruiting or whatever crap you are trying to say about OSU. My grandmother, mother and father attended a Big10 school, and I am currently attending a Big10 school. So dont worry, I GET IT about being a league above the MAC and recruiting a different breed of athlete. But you know what, BG is playing Buff, Kent, Temple, FIU, EMU this year not Michigan, Iowa, Penn St, Minn, and Purdue!

It does matter still. Your still missing it. BG recruits are not really any better than any other recruits in the MAC.

OSU recruits are far better than 90% of the big tens recruits. only Michigan and Iowa are close but it seems Michigan has been slipping in that area since OSU has stolen quite a few from UM lately. the rest comes down to coaching and getting those recruits ready to play. What you have yet to find out, and you will be suprised, is how good the OSU defense actually is despite losing 9 starters. You are in for a shock. Herbstreit keeps talking about this quiet confidence Tressell shows, Tressell has mentioned a secret on defense. The secret is how good the D is. people are going to be in shock. Tressell always has a good D. People always say how are they going to replace the great linebackers?

well they replace Katzenmoyer with Diggs, They replaced Diggs with wilhelm, they replaced Wilhelm with hawk, carpenter, schlegal, they are replacing those three with Larinitus, Kerr, Grant, Homan, there are two more whose names I can not recall at this time. They went from three studs to 5 who could start anywhere in the country.

And given OSU's situation, I would rather have all of my returnees on Offense than D and this is why.

The D is going to be good enough to stop the other teams but the games that are close the Offense is going to have so much firepower they could carry a game or two if needed.

To win Championships you need a defense, it doesnt have to be the best defense, just one that is good enough. When that happens and you have the powerful Offense that OSU has then lookout because they aren't going to lose many games..if any.

BG never had a defense, they still dont have a defense and they may never get a defense. No wonder they still cant win a MAC title. While OSU keeps racking up the Big ten titles.

[BGSUFootballFan]

I didnt know I was trying to back BG as the 2006 MAC champs, I just thought they were going to beat Kent, Buff, EMU and whoever else you said they would lose to. And wasnt that PSU-OSU on ESPN classic today? Ah yes it was... wait so who won the Big 10 last year? I cant see it, all I can see is white... no wait I'm getting something, ahh there it is! A big fat dark blue S standing out from the white! Too bad Troy-z Smith fumbled that game away. Oh and if OSU consistently recruits 90% better than the rest of the Big10, then how come they dont consistently win the Big10 90% of the time? You are right in that BG isnt the best recruiting school in the MAC, and that is for sure part of why they havent won the MAC recently! But that doesnt make us instantly worse than Buffalo! OSU lost a great deal of players, and I dont think they recruits 90% better than all the other Big10 schools. But that doesnt mean they are instantly worse than Illinois. You arent keeping any of this in perspective!

[Bleeding Orange]

You may as well let it go my be-Boilered friend. Tek doesn't keep a lot of things in context, and he has never given any indication that he is going to begin doing so. For example, Tek seems to have totally lost sight of the fact that these are just kids playing a kid's game. Consequently, rather than simply wish a team good luck, he prefers to deride one team in order to build up another. In his mind his favorite team is so vastly superior to ours that our players obviously are talentless, emotionless, lazy SOB's who really aren't even worth talking about. Buckeye football players, on the other hand, are in possession of such otherworldly talent year in and year out, and are in fact such emotional basket cases that if even the slightest negative remark is made about them, Tek is willing to lay down life and reputation to protect them from our careless, and obviously very meaningful, criticisms. In Tek's mind there is D1A football, and then there is BUCKEYE football. We just simply don't count. I mean, our Falcons are so utterly talentless that it just seems silly to him that people spend so much time talking about them. Really, don't we have anything better to do with our lives? He doesn't understand that if we are going to invest time in a football program why we wouldn't place our capital in a winner...like Ohio State, for instance. For Tek and those like him, college football is really a lot like the stock market. If there ever came a day when OSU was no longer a football powerhouse (as unlikely as that seems, I know...), people like him would be hopping off the Buckeye Band Wagon so fast and hopping onto the next winner's wagon even faster they would be crushing each other in the tumult. To people like Tek, college football is about championships and nothing else, so there is no real long-term loyalty. Look at him - a couple of desparaging remarks about his hearthrob program and all of a sudden Bowling Green sucks and is filled with retards, hicks and pansies.

So, no BGSUFootballFan, tek isn't going to keep anything in perspective.

[Falconfreak90]

I agree with BO...Tiki Hut sees the college football world thru one set of glasses. He can't comprehend any other views.

Of course, BGSU has been honored 6 times in the last 8 years for a 70% or better graduation rate. And, BGSU has NEVER, EVER been found guilty of ANY NCAA infractions....EVER. I know a school in Columbus that can't begin to compare with those FACTS>

[BGSUFootballFan]

I was slowly coming to that conclusion on my own. Althought I do have to say thank you for that and for looking out for me. I really do get great support on this message board for being a Purdue student from Indiana. But then again I cheer for BG over anyone and everyone no matter how good or bad we are so I suppose that demands some respect. I know what you mean about bandwaggoners because there are a TON of them around here and I cant stand it. I guess most of you just feel it a waste of your breath or typing fingers in this case to even try and talk some sense into these types of fans. I can say that I havent reached that point yet, and I certainly think there is hope for Tek to find a real team and cheer for them for the right reasons. I guess I just feel like sometimes this is a cold, cruel world, ESPECIALLY in sports. I want to have the HEART to change it and make it a better place for us all, and I will keep trying no matter how far stacked the odds are against me. I guess one of the biggest sub-conscious reasons I have stayed such a loyal BG fan for these past 5 seasons are because of people like him. What I am saying is there are a lot of his type around here that like teams because they win and because they are BIG TIME and nothing else. All of those reasons why those people would never even think about becoming a BG fan, is a large part in why I have stayed a BG fan even after the departure of Urban Meyer. That also tied in with the respect and gratitude I have recieved from all the BG fans, ESPECIALLY some of the ones who post on here and others as well. It has been a fun ride and I'm looking forward not only to the upcoming season, but also to trying to change the hearts of hapless college football fans like Tek!

[bgsufalcon24]

I was slowly coming to that conclusion on my own. Althought I do have to say thank you for that and for looking out for me. I really do get great support on this message board for being a Purdue student from Indiana. But then again I cheer for BG over anyone and everyone no matter how good or bad we are so I suppose that demands some respect. I know what you mean about bandwaggoners because there are a TON of them around here and I cant stand it. I guess most of you just feel it a waste of your breath or typing fingers in this case to even try and talk some sense into these types of fans. I can say that I havent reached that point yet, and I certainly think there is hope for Tek to find a real team and cheer for them for the right reasons. I guess I just feel like sometimes this is a cold, cruel world, ESPECIALLY in sports. I want to have the HEART to change it and make it a better place for us all, and I will keep trying no matter how far stacked the odds are against me. I guess one of the biggest sub-conscious reasons I have stayed such a loyal BG fan for these past 5 seasons are because of people like him. What I am saying is there are a lot of his type around here that like teams because they win and because they are BIG TIME and nothing else. All of those reasons why those people would never even think about becoming a BG fan, is a large part in why I have stayed a BG fan even after the departure of Urban Meyer. That also tied in with the respect and gratitude I have recieved from all the BG fans, ESPECIALLY some of the ones who post on here and others as well. It has been a fun ride and I'm looking forward not only to the upcoming season, but also to trying to change the hearts of hapless college football fans like Tek!

Nice post. I've always been sick of people on this campus who root for other schools over BG, particularly those who root for OSU and scUM. Last year, my fellow freshmen cohorts were the worst offenders. I remember a specific incident where I overheard somebody talking after the BG-UM hockey game last year talking about how badly "our school" lost to such a "terrible team." BG of course won the game 5-2, which meant that he was referring to Michigan as "our school." I instantly went into that person's room and chewed his ass out for his disparaging remarks about our hockey team and his lack of school spirit. That was probably the biggest fight I had all year inside the bowls of Harshman-Dunbar, and honestly, if that happened again this year I probably wouldn't have bothered. But I was a stupid freshman and was fed up.

I think a good litmus test of where everybody stands will come on October 7 when Bowling Green takes on Ohio State. Too bad that's fall break this year.

[Sweets9]

I agree with BO...Tiki Hut sees the college football world thru one set of glasses. He can't comprehend any other views.

Of course, BGSU has been honored 6 times in the last 8 years for a 70% or better graduation rate. And, BGSU has NEVER, EVER been found guilty of ANY NCAA infractions....EVER. I know a school in Columbus that can't begin to compare with those FACTS>

To be fair, OSU also didn't have half the frosh class accused of breaking a serious law either. BGSU also doesn't get hit as hard on the grad rates with the early draft entrees either. But I agree, BGSU does get more kids through school.