Omar in

[mmisbg]

What does staying in our offense for another year do to prepare him for the NFL?

I know that this won't be popular, but staying at BG for another year might have done him good in the NFL. First of all, the top round candidates get a lot more attention in mini-camps, preseason, etc. They also get a lot more patience when things don't go well for them.

I think his shoulder injury, while insignificant in the grand scheme of things, took him out of the spotlight while BG slipped though the cracks. When that happened, and I hate to say it, BG took Omar with them. If that had not happened, Omar would likely have gone sooner in the draft. Had he gone sooner in the draft, I think he would be getting a lot more attention from the team that drafted him. Economics plays into this heavily. When teams invest more money, and more valuable draft picks, on players, they don't write them off because they struggle for their rookie year...and they don't bench them because of one mistake.

Furthermore, he did have skills to refine when he left the college scene. The former principal at my school used to be an assistant football coach at Western Michigan. His comment was that Omar could still use another year of college to develop, and I agree. Keep in mind, he played less than two seasons at BG, and there were times when our offense spuddered...they are just overshadowed by a mountain of touchdowns.

I have to admit, this whole situation sucks. I'm not sure what to say about it, but I still have hopes that things will work out for Omar. At this point, I think it unlikely that it will happen at Pittsburgh, even if they do keep him on the roster. If they do cut him, I hope they get screwed.....and I don't think it is a stretch to think they might. Big Ben has missed a few games here and there, and we all know how injury-prone Batch is....So, I hope they do get stuck with with Boyd if they cut Omar. It would serve them right.

I just hope that Omar finds himself with a team that will do what it takes to develop his skills.

Go Falcons!

[MACMAN]

Omars not making the steelers will have nothing to do with mental issues, or some precieved idea that he did not get the offense, or that he is a bad QB. It has everything to with Ben being good and 100%, and Batch being a stud in his own right. Pitt does need some help in some key skills positions this year, QB not being one of them and to pick up some potential help there where its needed is smart business.

As for the steelers strugling this season or any season..wont happen, never does, a bad year in Pit is like a bes season ever for many teams, unacceptable by steeler fan standard but still a wining season.

Omar woulda coulda, shoulda.

what ever happens is for the best, like going 5th to the steelers to grow and develop, who knows maybe this is rout to Green Bay where he will take the helm their as Big Ben did in pit.
I hate that pit wont keep him, but if he is given a chance somewhere he will do just fine, he is now very compfortable undercenter and has adapted well to the speed of the game.
For all we know coach may have only planed for Omar to get two series and it just so happened it ended on his fumble. Time will tell.

[MACMAN]

an then this from yet another steeler specualtion board

- Omar Jacobs, Quarterback, Bowling Green 6'4", 225# His preseason has been up and down, but he has been demonstrating he can play in the NFL and that he is learning the complicated offense. This makes him the new 3rd string QB, until Charlie Batch hurts himself again! The Steelers now have thier developmental QB to compete with Batch, and eventually to take his job. Jacobs was rated the 4th highest QB on many boards, going in to the draft and has proven that todate. So again, the Steelers got great value with this pick. Omars Preseason numbers are solid. His numbers at Bowling Green were incredible. However, he primarily played from the shotgun. Still, putting up QB ratings of 150+ takes talent. His strengths are accuracy, a very strong arm and good size. He came out early and needs several years of study and practice to be able to read NFL defenses on the fly.
Grade: B, Predicted Grade after 3 years: A-

[orangeandbrown]

Whoa, Batch a stud? Take a deep breath and look at those words.

Omar has a tougher road to hoe in Pittsburgh because they have so much talent they want to protect at other positions. Still, he hasn't exactly made a great case for himself.

It appears to me he is having trouble adjusting...to being under center, to pro speed, to everything about it. He does not, in my opinion, look like a guy who was ready to come out.

Regardless, it is his life, and he made his own decision, and he has to live with it, not us.

It is my guess that he would make it through waivers to the practice squad, because anybody wanting to take him would have to put him on their 53 man roster. You know, it seems to me you don't see many QBs on the pracctice rosters...maybe Hammb or one of our NFL wonks knows if that's as rare as it seems like it might be.

[hammb]

It is my guess that he would make it through waivers to the practice squad, because anybody wanting to take him would have to put him on their 53 man roster. You know, it seems to me you don't see many QBs on the pracctice rosters...maybe Hammb or one of our NFL wonks knows if that's as rare as it seems like it might be.

You don't see many QBs on practice squads because teams don't cut any QB they honestly think has a chance to become a starting candidate; they'll hold them on the 53. They'll try to slip project WRs or tweener defensive players that need some seasoning onto the squad because nobody would want those guys on their 53. A QB landing on the practice squad means that his team didn't think he'd EVER become a starting quality player, guaranteed.

Now that doesn't mean that some other team cannot come along and pick him up (and they might in Omar's case), and that player could end up being a real gem. But I guarantee you that if Omar is put on Waivers Pittsburgh is convinced that his chance of becoming an NFL starter are below 10%. Most teams carry 3 QBs, and every year there are at least 10-20 guys on the 53 man rosters around the league that are just total projects. If Omar doesn't find himself on a 53 man roster this year that is a VERY bad sign of his perceived future.

I will say one thing that I was afraid of when I saw how far he slipped in the draft. We all know that Omar has a great arm. We all know that he's very accurate. We all know that he has a quick release. We all know that he's got a prototype NFL body. We have seen guys like Rivers & Vince Young prove that NFL teams will take quirky release passers high in the draft. That left only a couple questions about Omar: adjusting from the BG offense, and the mental side of the game. That's it. Well, I don't think any of us really know much about Omar mentally, but those NFL teams sit down and talk with all the players at the combine and have long interviews and questionnaires. After talking with Omar, and given that he is thet absolute perfect physical QB, they STILL thought he was a 5th round talent. That is NOT a good sign folks. In the NFL the mental side of the game is 90% or more of what it takes to play QB, and the guys who get paid to evaluate that sort of stuff didn't like what they heard from Omar.

There are a lot more success stories of guys with physical limitations that outsmart the opposition than there are athletic specimens that learn the game...especially at the QB position.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

What does staying in our offense for another year do to prepare him for the NFL?

Using this line of reasoning, then why should any player even play college football if they have no shot at the NFL? Those 4 years have their own intrinsic value.

Sigh.

This thread is about Omar in the NFL.

Here's my statement again: "What does staying in our offense for another year do to prepare him for the NFL?"


Does anybody see any Texas Tech QBs in the NFL? How about Timmy Chang, the all-time leader for D1 passing yards? He's gonna get cut in Philly. These offenses do not prepare QBs for the NFL. Omar staying in said offense for one more season was not going to answer any of the questions surrounding him that caused him to fall to the fifth round.

[Flipper]

I agree....I think he proved he had mastered all he was going to learn playing here in 2004 and the Whisky game.

[Tricky_Falcon]

Pittsburgh doesn't desperately need a QB. I wish he was given more than three snaps and could afford to make some mistakes. Hell Bruce has chucked two ints and is 3/9 passing for 27 yards and the Bucs aren't yanking him.

Add a fumble to that.

[hross1]

Who knows why they yanked him so quickly. I see them giving Boyd ample amounts of playing time and passing attempts and I wonder if they are trying to play him up or what. Either they think if they give him more reps that he'll get better, that they are trying to give him an opportunity to not look stupid, or that they are just putting all of the playing time on somebody that doesn't matter in the long scheme if he gets hurt.

Heck, they could be playing Omar less because they don't want him hurt, or that they are favoring Boyd and would rather not have Omar doing well, or that they think he is starting to understand the playbook better and doesn't really need on the field work like Boyd does.

Either way, you can't argue with the stats. Omar has a QB rating of 101.0. Nobody else is even close to him on the Steelers team with that. He is also the only one that hasn't thrown an INT in a game. 60% completion is 3rd best of their QBs (Boyd sits last in that) and he has the best yards per completion number of 6.4. Boyd sits 4th in almost every passing category that matters. The only thing he's good at: rushing. If for some reason Pittsburgh takes Boyd over Omar, they're stupid.

[MACMAN]

preping for the nfl as a qb is so many different things folks, and to say any one type of O is better than another is bunk. Look at Pit expanding in to the no huddle and spread O this year, hum much more like BGs O. The keys are simple here in Omar is a better passer, smarter passer than anyone from this draft, why cause that is what he did at BG. Look at gradkowsik, while he got picked twice lastnight and almost 4 or 5 I believe he is still one of the top qbs taken in the draft, why, casue i hate to say it but he knows how to get it done. Even though I think and feel Bruce will get banged up and knocked out literally of the league cause hes just not that durable, he is still a good qb.
I would think with Batch being a FA at the end of the season Pit would be very very inclined to keep Omar, unless they have word from Batch hes not planing on going any where and llikes being a back up...

[mmisbg]

I just have a few points:

-I doubt that Batch will find himself a starting QB job after this year. He has had some good numbers here and there, but he has been injured too often.

-It's annoying that they only gave Omar one series, and benched him after one mistake. To correct an earlier post, Bruce had 2 int and TWO fumbles (although the Bucs did get one of the two back). I want Bruce to do well, but I think this proves that some QB's get opportunities to improve and some don't.

-It is possible that the Steelers are giving Boyd more playing time because they are trying to give him the opportunity to make something out of it. I've seen some teams do this in preseason, but you never know until later because you are always speculating on what the management is thinking. Let's hope for this one.

-The title of this thread is: Omar in. Not Omar in the NFL. I took it as: Omar in the game. Either way you cut it, Omar's decision to leave for the NFL early relates to his performance in college. I don't see how it could not.

Peace out, word to your mother.

Go Falcons!

[MACMAN]

Good insight on Batch.

Saw this stuff and thought it worth tossing out here

"QB or not QB?

Omar Jacobs and Shane Boyd continued treading water in their attempt to prove worthy of the No. 3 quarterback job.

Boyd was intercepted and lost a fumble. And Jacobs lost a fumble.

"We had (three) turnovers with those two kids, so it wasn't one of their more stellar games," Cowher said."

and the stats
Scroll tot he bottom of the page and j¨st looking at these numbers, if you were going to keep a 3rd Qb and as long as Omars not a complet rock ya know they speak volumes.


http://media3.steelers.com/article/68270/