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birddog · Post by **birddog** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:21 pm

What is the hell is wrong with everyone.We all wear our diappointement goggles to some degree but this board is insane. We lost to a better more experienced team. Anyone who follows the falcons knew 500 was a real possibility. Kent has played well and is simply better at this point. With AT hurt we have no passing game. I don't care if you are The OSU - if you cannot throw and keep the D honest you won't be able to run if they load the box. We also have no receivers capable of stretching an offense at this point. We are loaded with freshmen. This is DI- not high school. Anyone who thought we would be flying high this year does not know football - period. All this new coach talk sickens me. Omar left us in a bind and without AT what the hell did you expect. He (AT) has shown an ability to pass when he is not hurt. Freddie is a halfback or receiver. If I have any disappointments it is with the defense. I watched our lineman slow to get off blocks and our linbackers are average at best. I like the recruits but we have some growing pains to go through. DJ Young will be good but his technique the weekend showed inexperience. Lets just see how we progress. Talk of a new coach and gloom and doom - get real! We are frankly where most MAC coaches and fans who really follow the game - just about where we are expected to be. Lets just give these kids a chance to grow and learn. If you thought BG would win the MAC before the season I want some of what you were on. I bleed brown and orange but get real.

falconfan1999 · Post by **falconfan1999** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:28 pm

First of all, I'm not defending anyone.

Second, there is nothing wrong with having high expectations for every season. I went into the Wisconsin game thinking we could hang with them. For the most part, I wasn't too dissappointed.

Third, Everybody knows we're young. Everybody knows were inexperienced. I think everybody was hoping that we wouldn't look this bad against perennially poor teams such as Kent. I hope Kent is turning it around. A strong Kent program is good for the whole conference.

Fourth, and last, I have never said that Coach Brandon needs to go. I question some of the things going on right now with the offense, but if the play calling was to mask a quarterbacks inability to throw, then it's at least understandable. I think that many people are upset because he didn't come out and try to put a positive spin on the loss. I'm not. We stunk and got our butts kicked. I hope this is a wake up call for the coaches and players alike. I"m not giving up on this team. I will still be there for the game against EMU and I hope a rejuvenated Falcon football team shocks Ohio this weekend!

Post by **ZiggyZoomba** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:28 pm

It's his first post folks... go easy on him.

And birddog... for future reference... that's not generally the best way to introduce yourself to a group in this frame of mind.

Welcome aboard anyhow....

*YIKES*

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:34 pm

You make some good points, birddog. However, I think if you'd read some posts more closely, you'd find why we're so upset.

I expected about a .500 season this year, and to at least compete for a weak MAC East title. Above all else, I expected to see progress from this young team.

To avoid repeating myself, I'll just say this. I've seen the same pattern of regression through these first 4 games that I've seen since Brandon took over as the head coach. If you want more explanation of my and others' viewpoints, and some evidence backing up our conclusions, you need only comb through the forum.

My biggest disagreement with your post is the contention that a 38-3 loss at home to Kent State is somehow acceptable for a team only 1 year removed from a 3 year stint in the top 25.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:39 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:My biggest disagreement with your post is the contention that a 38-3 loss at home to Kent State is somehow acceptable for a team only 1 year removed from a 3 year stint in the top 25.

I don't care if it was Kent, Temple, Findlay, Mt. Union, or the St. Rose 7th grade CYO team, losing 38-3 to anyone, anywhere is unacceptable. Period.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:21 pm

birddog wrote:We lost to a better more experienced team.

This is reason #1 to be disappointed with the job this coaching staff has done. They have taken our program down to the point where Kent FREAKING State is a better team than us.

As I've said in a million other places, I had low expectations this year. However, we are not playing like a young, talented team. We are playing like a lethargic team that is below the necessary talent level. Young teams that have talent will still show occasional glimpses. We haven't seen nearly enough glimpses to make me believe we're "rebuilding" anything more well conceived than the Maginot Line.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:07 pm

It's not the fact that they lost, it's the way they lost. You don't get beaten at home 38-3 by a mediocre football team (Kent is just that, mediocre) because you're young. You get drilled like that because you 're getting outworked. On the first fumble we had two guys right there on top of the ball but Kent State recovered it? That's the kind of stuff that happens when you aren't working hard.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:15 am

Flipper wrote:It's not the fact that they lost, it's the way they lost. You don't get beaten at home 38-3 by a mediocre football team (Kent is just that, mediocre) because you're young. You get drilled like that because you 're getting outworked. On the first fumble we had two guys right there on top of the ball but Kent State recovered it? That's the kind of stuff that happens when you aren't working hard.

Very well said Flip. What pisses me off the most is the total lack of effort I saw Saturday. I bleed O & B as much as anyone but that was simply UNACCEPTABLE. HAVE YOU NO PRIDE??????? I have been laughed at here at work 4 times already today and it's only 11AM!

I know we're young...we all know that. We all know we lost a ton of firepower from our O and knew we would struggle. HOWEVER, what we DON'T do is roll over and play like we don't care. I'm sorry but that's how I felt Saturday and I feel it even more today. While watching that game, with the exception of 5-8 players, I felt nobody on that staff or team wanted to be there. Well, I drive over 2 freakin hours, one way, to get to these games. What I EXPECT is excellent effort and busting ass. Things go wrong in every game and sometimes you can't control those things. What I EXPECT is the coaching staff to have this team ready to play from the opening kickoff. PREPARATION. Kent State is an improving team but there ain't no way in hell we should lose to anyone by 5 td's on our home turf...especially Kent State.

FALCON FOOTBALL is very important to me...maybe too important. I will still be at every game, except CMU and Temple, the rest of the season supporting the players and the program. But right now, I am having a very difficult time grasping Coach Brandon's comments. I can't bury my head in the nest and pretend there aren't problems with this staff. And I'm sorry it took an embarrassment on our home turf for me to finally admit that. I've backed you, Coach, from Day 1. Prove me wrong this was just a bad day and you and your staff can come up with a winning game plan and execute it in Athens. Prove to me and countless others that buy season tickets every year that you and your staff care about the direction of our program.
It's all I ask.

BTW Flip? This is one game I'm glad I didn't get a blank tape to you.

UNACCEPTABLE! SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE! Man, I am really pissed off.

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:11 pm

I agree with you Freak. When I went into work the last two days all I heard was how far Bowling Green football has dropped in such a short period. For some reason it has been easy to type excuses for this team maybe because I didn't want to admit that there was something wrong. But when you are bombarded at work by people and you have time to think it over for a little bit, it is hard to justify a lot of things going on with this program.

The team is young but like Hammb said a lot of what is happening does not look like youthful mistakes. It appears this program once again needs a foot up its ass to get things done. I'm hoping our new AD doesn't turn his head and is willing to apply some pressure toward Brandon and the staff.

birddog · Post by **birddog** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:33 pm

Well guys I can understand being upset with the coaching of previous poor special teams play. I agree we are not 30+ worse than Kent. The problem is that we have no quarterback and the inability of that position to play well cost us the game more so than anything. Frankly I do not think any amount of coaching is going to make Freddie an everday QB and a true freshmen is not going to beat many teams at this level either. All this venting pretty much ignores the facts in terms of personel. We need to get better and that is about it. Most of the hostility toward the coaches is pretty much useless at this point. All I can say to them is keep working hard and - Gitter Done.

I pretty much call it as I see it - first post or not....

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:03 pm

Cool deal, birddog. And it's good to see you here!

It's been a rough 3 days since the game and now I'm looking at Ohio. We either come out and kick their ass all over the field or we get our ass kicked all over the field. There's about 70-75 people that will need to decide what it's gonna be. And I'm not one of them...but I'll be in that stadium doing my part by supporting BGSU.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:03 pm

Bird dog
it is D1 and its inexcuesable for a coach to allow his recruiting to leave us in this lack of exp delema, anyone who follows and know football, knows that. Its call planing and depth...you sadly dont see an OSU having this problem even after turning one thier highest number of players to the Nfl...do ya?
No, why depth...which we have...yet some how it is undeveloped.
that is a coaching problem...Im not calling for his balls and cocktail sauce. Im just saying its not acceptable at this level.

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:25 pm

MACMAN wrote:Bird dog
it is D1 and its inexcuesable for a coach to allow his recruiting to leave us in this lack of exp delema, anyone who follows and know football, knows that. Its call planing and depth...you sadly dont see an OSU having this problem even after turning one thier highest number of players to the Nfl...do ya?
No, why depth...which we have...yet some how it is undeveloped.
that is a coaching problem...Im not calling for his balls and cocktail sauce. Im just saying its not acceptable at this level.

Difference is OSU didn't suck for most of the 90's. On top of that OSU and the like don't have coaches that only stay for 2 years, only recruit one class and leave mid-way through the second recruiting year. That I think has really hurt. Recruiting wise you wouldn't really start to see the benifit of UM's two seasons until about GB 2nd recruiting class. The success would need to be maintained for top athletes to believe BG was on the way up and not just anothe MAC anomaly.

I think this year is going to see some pretty low moments, but also some very high ones. Give it time, 8 more games.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:37 pm

birddog wrote:Well guys I can understand being upset with the coaching of previous poor special teams play. I agree we are not 30+ worse than Kent. The problem is that we have no quarterback and the inability of that position to play well cost us the game more so than anything. Frankly I do not think any amount of coaching is going to make Freddie an everday QB and a true freshmen is not going to beat many teams at this level either. All this venting pretty much ignores the facts in terms of personel. We need to get better and that is about it. Most of the hostility toward the coaches is pretty much useless at this point. All I can say to them is keep working hard and - Gitter Done.

I pretty much call it as I see it - first post or not....

Western beat us with a true FR QB last year. It can happen.

Personnel is the responsibility of the coaching staff.

As for useless, sure it is useless. So is complimenting the coaching staff. This is a message board.

birddog · Post by **birddog** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:56 pm

Like I said. We lost the game at the QB position. We did not lose because we sucked all over the field. We have no QB depth due to Omar leaving, youth, and injuries. Coaches fault - not in this imperfect world. Coaches can always improve and should seek to improve. Comparing us to Ohio State as far as recruiting and reloading is a bit silly. Recruiting is hardly a science. There are so many factors involved but we did recruit well this year. I have faith that GB will get the bird flying again. I think the ST made progress. The rest will come along.

PS - The sight of a Pheasant awing is about the only thing as good as a W and the falcons flying high.

Birddog

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