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and you improve it how by beating up on the Tenn Tech's of the world?

Image is much more greatly improved by beating the Northwestern's and Purdue's of the world.
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redskins4ever wrote:and you improve it how by beating up on the Tenn Tech's of the world?

Image is much more greatly improved by beating the Northwestern's and Purdue's of the world.
Work in the big boys every once in a while, but what do you get out of playing on Ohio State in an admitted down year?

Other than a big paycheck you get guys dinged up that could play a role in helping you win a conference championship.

What is the best way to "advance" and "grow" a program? You play in bowl season and get noticed as a bowl team. The easiest way for BG to get a bowl game is to win the M.A.C. and 1AA or BCS competition does not count towards the Mid Am standings.

Off the field we need to create and maintain a fan base and you do that by getting home games. Come for BG football whether they are playing Liberty or Missouri or Western Michigan. To have another September with no home games would be a huge mistake.
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redskins4ever wrote:and you improve it how by beating up on the Tenn Tech's of the world?

Image is much more greatly improved by beating the Northwestern's and Purdue's of the world.
I'm not advocating eliminating road games against big schools. I think it's a mistake to sacrifice home games to chase a paycheck. You put the team at a competitive disadvantage and it reinforces the notion that we're a small time program because we'll whore ourselves out.

Alot of division 1A teams play 1AA schools. How many sacrifice home games to go get a paycheck?
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redskins4ever wrote:Heck why not go I-AA for all your games?

No excuse not to play the best competition possible, you don't get better and battled tested by playing cream puffs.

I-AA games should be outlawed.
Tell Montana State that. There are many 1-AA teams out there that are as good or better than some 1-A schools. Playing them would better than playing an away game at a mediocre "major conference" school. I believe any of the top 10 1-AA teams would hand most MAC teams their butts this year. We all know there is a clear division between some teams in 1-A. That exists in 1-AA as well. I think instead of there being division 1-A and 1-AA there should just be a playoff and BCS segment for division 1. Each conference would decided where it wanted to be. ALL division 1 schools would have 85 scholarships to give. The only difference would be the BCS segment would chase a dream and the playoff segment would actually earn a National Championship given by the NCAA. And again, ALL of division 1 would be eligible for bowls as long as they have a winning (7-5 or better) record. This will make spots in the bowls a little more competitive. The stoning can begin....................now.
I don't know if you understand the concept of being I-A or I-AA. Yea, it is because the team may not be able to compete at the I-A level, but that is merely because they don't get as many scholarships. The main reason for this is decided by the school itself. If the school wants to put a lot of money into its program, then it can, and doing so would make it I-A (fully funding). A lot of I-AA schools don't even have scholarships to give (see Dayton and the IVY League) and this is merely because the school doesn't want to put as much money into the program. The same goes for schools that are DIII, they can be DII if they want, just put more money into your program. Now you may be saying, "What about Mount Union, they seem to put a lot of money into their program." Well, you're right, some schools that are "big time" in their division put more into their program making it top notch for their division, but there is still a deciding factor there somewhere. Mount Union is DIII, so it still does not give scholarship money...if it wanted to (it would have to spend a lot of money) it could easily be DII.
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redskins4ever wrote:No excuse not to play the best competition possible, you don't get better and battled tested by playing cream puffs.

I-AA games should be outlawed.
He may have two strikes against him already (being a Miami grad and now living in Columbus) :D but redskins4ever is correct.
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This argument is interesting, but there's no reason why we can't do both every single season.

We need to have 2 home OOC games. NEED. Sure, I'd love to have Vanderbilt, Colorado, Indiana, Wyoming, etc in the Doyt every year, but our situation doesn't always make that possible. I see nothing wrong with the occasional YSU or SEMO for a home opener. This is not mutually exclusive with going to play Purdue and OSU, or Georgia, or Florida, or Boise, or Wisconsin.

We can have both, but we need more Saturday games in DLP than 3. I'd like to see us stop getting the shaft in every single scheduling scenario that arises.
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Bring on the sunbelt, bring on the WAC, bring on CUSA... just leave the I-AA schools at home.
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redskins4ever wrote:Bring on the sunbelt, bring on the WAC, bring on CUSA... just leave the I-AA schools at home.
There are two sides to achieving the goal everyone wants.

1. The Football Side

2. The Fan Base Side

I argue on point 1. that if you mix in enough OOC Big Boy games than it is ok to play 1AA teams competative wise. It helps a team get their feet underneath them. If it is not demeaning for Kansas State or Northwestern or Florida State or Texas A&M, or Pittsburgh to play 1AA schools I don't see why it would be competatively demeaning to Bowling Green.

I argue on point 2 that to build and maintain that fan base we need home games and 1AA teams are a guarantee for a home game, and generally a home game in which the home team wins.

Now to your point of those 1A programs being preffered opponnents to 1AA schools I say who is really going to notice the difference? If you say the players, and that they will not want to play inferior teams I say every team needs games like that, especially young teams. I don't think the weaker team argument stands up. The divide in college sports is not as big as it has been in the past. The dilemma between BG playing 1AA is the same as BCS schools playing the likes of BG.

Now just to see if my theory is correct I have an exercise. Without googling pick out the 1A from the 1AA teams below:

Arkansas State
Georgia Southern
Tenn.-Chatanooga
Lousiana-Monroe
Southern Illinois
North Texas
Western Kentucky
Appalachain State
Western Carolina
Illinois State
Arkansas State
VMI
Middle Tennessee State
Coastal Carolina
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redskins4ever wrote:Heck why not go I-AA for all your games?

No excuse not to play the best competition possible, you don't get better and battled tested by playing cream puffs.

I-AA games should be outlawed.
In 2003 we played EKU to open the season. The following week we beat Purdue on their home field. How many people outside our core group of fans remember that we played EKU? After the Purdue game we played Liberty. A week later we played OSU to the last minute. How many people remember that we played Liberty?

We left the nonconference part of our schedule 3-1. So should have we scheduled Texas, Purdue, Iowa, and Ohio State? Had we done that we probably would have entered OOC games as 1-3, maybe even 0-4. If we played the best competition possible in 2003 I doubt that season would be nearly as memorable for everyone around here. We didn't win a conference championship but everyone is pretty fond of the times they had at the NIU, Purdue, and Northwestern games that season. So what is so wrong with playing 1-AA teams?

Does playing the best really make you the best? I don't think so. Unless you are already close to the best and have the athletic talent to consistently play the best. Find me some examples of schools like us playing the best and becoming that. Yes every once in awhile there is a season where you can beat Purdue and play OSU tight, but those seasons are few and far between.

Outlaw games with 1-AA opponents
Why? Should OSU outlaw games with us? Yes we are in the same divison but how many people actually consider us on the same level (BCS). Should schools like Slippery Rock (divsion 2) not be allowed to play YSU (divison 1-AA)?

When we actaully get to see the home side of a one-for-one deal I will have no problem getting rid of AA opponents.
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redskins4ever wrote:Bring on the sunbelt, bring on the WAC, bring on CUSA... just leave the I-AA schools at home.
There are two sides to achieving the goal everyone wants.

1. The Football Side

2. The Fan Base Side

I argue on point 1. that if you mix in enough OOC Big Boy games than it is ok to play 1AA teams competative wise. It helps a team get their feet underneath them. If it is not demeaning for Kansas State or Northwestern or Florida State or Texas A&M, or Pittsburgh to play 1AA schools I don't see why it would be competatively demeaning to Bowling Green.

I argue on point 2 that to build and maintain that fan base we need home games and 1AA teams are a guarantee for a home game, and generally a home game in which the home team wins.

Now to your point of those 1A programs being preffered opponnents to 1AA schools I say who is really going to notice the difference? If you say the players, and that they will not want to play inferior teams I say every team needs games like that, especially young teams. I don't think the weaker team argument stands up. The divide in college sports is not as big as it has been in the past. The dilemma between BG playing 1AA is the same as BCS schools playing the likes of BG.

Now just to see if my theory is correct I have an exercise. Without googling pick out the 1A from the 1AA teams below:

Arkansas State
Georgia Southern
Tenn.-Chatanooga
Lousiana-Monroe
Southern Illinois
North Texas
Western Kentucky
Appalachain State
Western Carolina
Illinois State
Arkansas State
VMI
Middle Tennessee State
Coastal Carolina
1-A:

Arkansas State
ULM
North Texas
Arkansas State again :wink: :-D
MTSU

The rest are 1-AA.
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Arkansas State
Georgia Southern
Tenn.-Chatanooga
Lousiana-Monroe
Southern Illinois
North Texas
Western Kentucky Next Year I-A
Appalachain State
Western Carolina
Illinois State
Arkansas State
VMI
Middle Tennessee State
Coastal Carolina

Teams in bold are I-A
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WKU does not make the jump to 1-A until 2009. At least that is the way I understand it. The articles I have read say they join the Sun Belt in 2009. I guess it is possible they could be a nonconference team until then.
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thewebboy wrote:I know it's been discussed before, but who's confirmed for 2007.
Has this been answered and I missed it? I have terrible luck at navigating BG's official site. #-o

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thewebboy wrote:I know it's been discussed before, but who's confirmed for 2007.
Has this been answered and I missed it? I have terrible luck at navigating BG's official site. #-o

If we have at least one big time game locked in, bring in the 1AA meat, but if we don't, let's try to get someone from a BCS conference, even if we go there.

If FIU is bagging, we gotta get an answer from Boise and everyone else on the fence with the quickness.

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BG currently lists 3 games on National Champs.net

http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/futu ... future.htm

Pitt, Boise, and FIU.
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