I keep hearing this....

akpfalcon · Post by **akpfalcon** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:00 pm

the kent game weather was not that bad. the weather last night was definitely way worse and AT performed way better than barnes did at the kent game. I agree barnes is a mroe effective runner than AT but with AT at the helm the defense has to account for both the run and the pass. and next year when we have CP, a healthy barnes, a healthy Zach Charles and also a healthy and more mature AT at the qb position, our passing attack will be a threat. not to mention we will also have chris bullock running the ball

moneymaker02 · Post by **moneymaker02** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:51 pm

zak i am convinced you know nothing about this team nor do you know nothing about football, freddie well be a reciever until the day he graduates. CP throws a better ball than freddie does. The weather for the kent game was fine, people were out in t-shirts and jeans. if you think freddie could have better passing numbers than you just an idiot.

I am really interested to see how this recieving core is going to look next year. A healthy Zach Charles, CP, Freddie, Tyrone Pronty showed some signs, and im curious to see Kelvin Davis as well. Let's not forget Corey Partidge's clone Derek Brighton

Columbus_Zak · Post by **Columbus_Zak** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:16 pm

I stand corrected then. Freddie Barnes is the worst possible option at BGSU.

RossfordFalcon · Post by **RossfordFalcon** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:22 pm

moneymaker02 wrote:I am really interested to see how this recieving core is going to look next year. A healthy Zach Charles, CP, Freddie, Tyrone Pronty showed some signs, and im curious to see Kelvin Davis as well. Let's not forget Corey Partidge's clone Derek Brighton

Also, you can't foget about O'Drobinak. He catches the ball very well for a big guy and we havent seen him completely healthy for a good chunk of this season.

HoustonFalcon · Post by **HoustonFalcon** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:35 pm

Zak, not to pile on here, but there are some good quarterbacks that have been recruited by DI colleges for their running more than their passing. Vince Young wasn't a passer in high school, he was, and still is a runner. He developed some passing skill while at UT, but we all know he is more dangerous with his feet. That's just one example. Ther are more. So don't think that Freddie Barnes got recruited by our staff because he had a pretty pass. After all, most high schools will still run the ball at least 75% of the time.

BGFootball · Post by **BGFootball** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:51 pm

Zak, hasnt Freddie proven himself huge threat at WR? AT is a better passer than Freddie, it is starting to look like AT is getting his confidence back. Wouldnt you want someone with a decent arm throwing to a playmaker like your boy Freddie? Freddie is still able to get his touches running the ball with AT at the helm but can still make plays catchin the ball which is what this team really needs. Dropped balls killed us last night, not AT. I agree that AT, Sheehan and Glaud should go into offseason with the mindset that its an open competition for the starting role. I think it will make all of them better and I trust the coaches putting in the best option at QB. Coach McCall is a great QB coach and has coached 2 great QBs that came through this system. I can assure you Freddie will not be Quarterback at Bowling Green again, so theres no reason to stay on your knees. Let it go.......

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:21 pm

Let me start this by saying I do not want Freddie Barnes to be our QB. I also do not want Turner to be our QB.

I think what Zak is trying to say here is that everything Turner did this year Barnes could have done too. If he is thinking anything like me than he doesn't think either of them are good quarterbacks and does not understand why we made such an outright commitment to Turner. Sure Turner is the better passer but it's not like he is good. Our passing could not have been much worse with Barnes at quarterback, and our running game would have been better.

Once again I don't want Barnes at QB, but I think this season would not have been any worse if he was the QB.

BGFootball · Post by **BGFootball** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:38 am

kdog27 wrote:Let me start this by saying I do not want Freddie Barnes to be our QB. I also do not want Turner to be our QB.

I think what Zak is trying to say here is that everything Turner did this year Barnes could have done too. If he is thinking anything like me than he doesn't think either of them are good quarterbacks and does not understand why we made such an outright commitment to Turner. Sure Turner is the better passer but it's not like he is good. Our passing could not have been much worse with Barnes at quarterback, and our running game would have been better.

Once again I don't want Barnes at QB, but I think this season would not have been any worse if he was the QB.

I disagree completely...if Barnes would have been playing QB you guys would be saying "Man we need a quarterback that can throw the ball." Just like you do with AT. Although AT is nowhere near the QB we need him to be right now, he has definately shown in the last two games that he has his confidence back and is capable of giving us a chance to win football games. Freddies best position is where he is at now and thats where we need him to be. I mean all I hear at games is "We want freddy! We want Freddy!" I could understand maybe if people were chanting that for Sheehan, but Freddie has proven he is not the quarterback we need, are people really that blind? I really am excited about AT after these last two games because he seems to be improving each week. The coaches are not going to put freddie back at quarterback unless AT and Sheehan get hurt and even if that happens they will probably play Glaud before him...

Anyways, GO FALCONS BEAT THE TEAM UP NORTH!! END THIS SEASON ON A POSITIVE NOTE!!!

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:43 am

I want Barnes at WR too. I just don't want Turner on the field with him.

BGFootball · Post by **BGFootball** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:38 am

kdog27 wrote:I want Barnes at WR too. I just don't want Turner on the field with him.

Oh so maybe Freddie could throw it to himself...

I find it funny how people didnt want AT as our QB because he wasnt showing any improvement and his throws were way off and his reads were slow. At the time, that was a very logical argument. Now, he has made significant improvement since the Central Michigan game, yet people still dont think he deserves a chance even though I strongly believe that if it was not for him we would not of been in position to win the last two games. He is back to 100% and his confidence is increasing each week...I cant really see any better option out there right now.....

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:49 pm

BGFootball wrote:
kdog27 wrote:I want Barnes at WR too. I just don't want Turner on the field with him.
Oh so maybe Freddie could throw it to himself...

Yeah because there are not any other quarterbacks on the roster.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:02 pm

IMO, AT has shown significant progress the last few weeks. He is the current starter but the job should be an open race in the new year.

I think Freddie should be on the field as much as possible in as many different positions as possible. He may not have the best passing traits but he is a serious threat with the ball in his hands.

They say a QB makes the most improvement from his Soph to JR years. IF that's the case, I feel AT could still become the player we thought he could be.

GO FALCONS!!! CRUSH UT!!!

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:32 am

BGFootball wrote:Zak, hasnt Freddie proven himself huge threat at WR?

No, no he hasn't proven a damn thing at WR. He's got 18 catches for 196 yards & 2 TDs. A nice start for a guy transitioning to a new position, but I'd hardly call that proving anything.

As for the argument of having him at QB? It's ludicrous.

I'm not even talking about any games Freddie has played in. I've watched multiple scrimmages, spring games, and practices. The kid can flat out not throw the ball well enough to be a D1A QB in the spread offense. Now if we want to go with a pure option attack and only pass occasionally, Freddie may be capable, but not for our usual offensive scheme.

Our coaching staff could NEVER coach the option, however, so I don't think it's a real good idea. The personnel is there for the scheme, but it relies too much on perfection to work perfectly. The system can be beautiful if you have a coaching staff that knows it and gets the kids to execute properly, but one mistake can destroy the entire offense. Given that our staff struggles with getting the players to execute on a consistent basis, I think we should shy away from that idea, and leave Barnes at WR/RB.