Fire the coach thread....

[It's the Journey...]

Obviously you played more for the name on the back than the front.

[blueliners_bg]

Maybe that is WHY he is bringing the situation to the light, BECAUSE he cares about the name on the FRONT!!!

Maybe, just maybe Bigdog wants the situation to change, so that he can take pride in his school and the team he played for????

[It's the Journey...]

If one cannot have pride when a team is not doing well then I question their loyalty. This team is not doing well, but I am still proud to be a BGSU hockey fan. I am growing tired of all the accusations and hiding behind screen names. If you feel things are that bad then grow a pair of balls and go talk to the Athletic Director. Present your case to the person who can help the situation.

[Rightupinthere]

Playing for the school is only part of the equation. There is a lot to be said for a young man playing for his coach and there have been many instances where this has been the case.

I can't discount what bigdog is saying in that respect.

[bigdog]

I would love to go speak my mind to the Athletic Director, the fact of the matter is that I am now thousands of miles away. So I have sent in my letters and now I am trying to educate the people on this board. I am sick and tired of people telling me to go and make a change. You know what, I have done what I can but now it is the publics turn. Please "Its a Journey" do not lecture me as how I should have played while at BG. Your embarassing yourself. There wasn't a day where I didn't bust my a** on the ice. So please don't sit in the music room and tell me how to play hockey. In a perfect world maybe everyone would play for the community and the fans. But it isn't and you know that you practice for the coach to put you in the line up, you play good to try and stay in the line up. Please don't tell me that playing for the coach has nothing to do with it, it has the biggest part to do with it. Sometimes then playing for a guy you have zero faith in may wear on you over the years.

[It's the Journey...]

The last I heard the AD's office has a telephone, set up a meeting over the phone. And maybe this team isn't playing for the name on the front. Maybe we should just start over with players who will. Right now I just with this team would do something as a team. If that means they collectively tell Pooch to piss off, or talk to the AD at least they will have done something as a group this season. Their inaction shows this mess is bigger than one coach.

[ShaneFalco]

Do you think that the coach's golden boy, #56 (Sig Jr.), was playing for the name on the front of the jersey?

[It's the Journey...]

I have no idea, do you? I think it really does not matter if there are only one or two playing for BGSU. If everyone is not on the same page the chances of being successful are not very good. I will not sit here and call players out by name.

[Bleeding Orange]

Do you think that the coach's golden boy, #56 (Sig Jr.), was playing for the name on the front of the jersey?

**shakes head sadly**

**understands entire situation**

[blueliners_bg]

Originally posted by:It's the Journey...

The last I heard the AD's office has a telephone, set up a meeting over the phone. And maybe this team isn't playing for the name on the front. Maybe we should just start over with players who will. Right now I just with this team would do something as a team. If that means they collectively tell Pooch to piss off, or talk to the AD at least they will have done something as a group this season. Their inaction shows this mess is bigger than one coach.

I think the point your missing here is that they have already tried your suggestion of going to the AD, to no avail. And so, they now have looked to other avenues such as the diehard loyal fans of BG Hockey here, the people who pay the money to see the games. What should have been the next step????

During the season, I think it is the fear of not playing and being benched that promotes the inaction you are suggesting.

Although I do wish they do something as a team too! If it is as bad as is suggested the current team, right now should go to the AD, the whole team. You can't bench the whole team, can you? Then, go tell Pooch to piss off! The only thing is it would require the WHOLE team, and I am sure there would be a few that wouldn't risk it.

At any rate, I would like to see a major shake up, wether in be major line changes, new plays, major players sitting out any thing to put a fire under them!

[Jacobs4Heisman]

Originally posted by:It's the Journey...

The last I heard the AD's office has a telephone, set up a meeting over the phone. And maybe this team isn't playing for the name on the front. Maybe we should just start over with players who will. Right now I just with this team would do something as a team. If that means they collectively tell Pooch to piss off, or talk to the AD at least they will have done something as a group this season. Their inaction shows this mess is bigger than one coach.

I think the point your missing here is that they have already tried your suggestion of going to the AD, to no avail. And so, they now have looked to other avenues such as the diehard loyal fans of BG Hockey here, the people who pay the money to see the games. What should have been the next step????

During the season, I think it is the fear of not playing and being benched that promotes the inaction you are suggesting.

Although I do wish they do something as a team too! If it is as bad as is suggested the current team, right now should go to the AD, the whole team. You can't bench the whole team, can you? Then, go tell Pooch to piss off! The only thing is it would require the WHOLE team, and I am sure there would be a few that wouldn't risk it.

At any rate, I would like to see a major shake up, wether in be major line changes, new plays, major players sitting out any thing to put a fire under them!

I can tell you that an entire team that gets together and decides to be unified in an "intervention" so to speak when they feel they are being mistreated, and goes through the proper channels i.e. a qualified student representative that can take their concerns to the next level, can most definitely affect positive change.

I have seen this happen with a BG program very recently, and things improved after it happened. If the current players feel this is a necessary step, all they have to do is make it happen. Sounds like it needed to happen a while ago if the posters who are former players are representative of the majority's attitutde.

[pdt1081]

FYI, it is with a little reluctance that I post this, but I think this will shine a lot of light on what is happening.

I used to work for the hockey team. I spent 7 years there. Depending on when the former players on the board graduated, you might know who I am. My first year was also Buddy's first year (my last was the year before Buddy's last). From what I saw when I first started, Jerry York ran a very tight ship and this carried over for the first few years while Buddy was there. During Buddy's tenure, things relaxed a lot. A lot more than they should have. Looking back now, those first two years were true TEAMS. You could sense it just listening to the players and seeing how they interacted. After that, I could sense the TEAM aspect slowly slipping away. I wasn't at every practice or team meeting so I can't really give insight on a cause, I can just speak for what I saw on gamedays.

Now that Paluch is in charge, he is trying to run things how Jerry did/does. But he is meeting a lot of resistance because of how lax things were when Buddy was there. These things have carried from year to year to now we're at the point when no players played for Buddy, but they are still reluctant to follow Paluch because of the example set forth by players before them. It will take awhile for Paluch to get the team to follow and believe in him. Once the TEAM as a whole buys into Paluch's system, and trusts him as a coach and a leader, there will be success unseen by this program before. The problem is getting there. It will be a long slow process because of the attitudes that the former players on this board have showcased so well for us.

I am not trying to put down the current players, or former players, with any of this. I am just saying that the attitude of the program changed drastically during the late 90's. The current and some of the former players never saw "how it was" so to speak. If they had, there attitudes would be totally different. They are speaking from their experience and what they witnessed. If they only knew "the good ole days."

[Goldwing]

Nice try 1081. Maybe part of the problem is the fact he is trying to be Jerry York. He should be himself. Engage the players, earn their confidence, built trust. A coach does not do this by trying to be someone else.

[bigdog]

excellent point, the last thing that the players wanted is to be clones of another team. Even if the team is BC. They want their own identity. I remember when we played BC at our barn. Pooch was talking to York, and he was asking if he made all his players skate in the pregame skates when on the road. His response was yes. Isn't it weird that every weekend after that we all lost the choice of whether we wanted to skate on the road. We had to becuase BC did.

[BGFan]

For God's sake why would any team want to emulate a national championship caliber team? That's just stupid....

Paluch is doing what he knows and what he was taught....what else is he supposed to do?

There's a part of me that wants to believe you guys, and there's another part of me that thinks that you and some of the other former players have instilled such a hate type attitude in the rest of the team that, as PDT said, it's going to take a while for it to filter out.