Sean Ellis is off the team (His dad updates us on pg 6)

bgfalcon03 · Post by **bgfalcon03** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:18 am

If these kids are quiting because of coach Brandon then I think that is a pretty lame excuse. Everyone else on the team is going through the same thing and they arn't jumping ship.
Most of the time the players report to their position coach and not Brandon anyways so that excuse it just dumb IMO.
But that is their problem not mine.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:20 am

Mahoney was hurt, right? Disgust is a pretty good word...our coaches tend to pull the Yogi Berra "I managed good but they sure played bad" card pretty frequently.

You can't do that for very long. The fastest way to lose a team is to single guys out while not taking any responsibility yourself.

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:20 am

Not surprising to see the 18-year old kicker leave after the coach blamed him for not covering up the coach's incompetence.

Ellis has shown more potential than Suisham at this stage, and we all know that Suisham's been bouncing around the NFL lately (much better than having a real job). I wish Ellis good luck in the future wherever he lands.

What's the over/under on the number of days until we hear the same news about Rojas?

bgfalcon03 · Post by **bgfalcon03** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:26 am

Mahoney had knee surgery I believe.

I don't agree with a lot of things the coaches do, but in no way do I blame them for kids quitting. They obviously didn't have the heart or whatever you want to call it to play here. I really find it hard to feel sorry for someone who is getting a free education and then quits. What a waste.

BGGrad01 · Post by **BGGrad01** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:30 am

San Diego Falcon wrote:What's the over/under on the number of days until we hear the same news about Rojas?

That was my initial thought. How many days until he leaves cold BG for winter break in Miami?

As far as the Ellis' situation is concerned, I agree with most of what has been posted. He struggled on FG attempts this year, but he was solid on XP's, which was a big step up from last year. On kickoffs, it certainly wasn't his fault that when he kicked it to the 5 or 10 yard line that our coverage team couldn't tackle the returner. He has the potential to be a good kicker. If he is leaving BG, I wish him the best.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:39 am

Wow. At least we waited for official word from the University or Sean and his family before breaking out the torches and pitchforks again....

Oh... nevermind.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:44 am

bgfalcon03 wrote:They obviously didn't have the heart or whatever you want to call it to play here.

I think you are way out of line saying something like that. You have no idea what circumstances are that cause a player to leave. Not having the desire to be here is a possibility. But that also may be a result of a coach driving the player away with how they treat the player. There are a miriade of other reasons as well. Education, family, injury, playing time, etc. Saying a player left the team because they don't have the heart to play here is premature.

bgfalcon03 · Post by **bgfalcon03** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:54 am

maybe that is out of line saying that about Sean..but I wasn't specifically talking about him. I actually know the reasons of why Mahoney quit and that was who I specifically talking about...
Sorry

jpfalcon09 · Post by **jpfalcon09** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:57 am

I walked by two players today in the Sundial and they were talking about it, so I guess it is true...very sad to hear, Sean was a great kid.

If our football situation is getting to be like basketball where players can't stand the coach, the next two years will be very difficult indeed.

Good luck Sean! Hopefully you can catch on somewhere else where the coach won't blame you for the team's ineptness of covering kickoffs.

h2oville rocket · Post by **h2oville rocket** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:02 pm

Flipper wrote:our coaches tend to pull the Yogi Berra "I managed good but they sure played bad" card pretty frequently.

Wasn't that Stengel? Berra said everything else.

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:08 pm

Warthog wrote:
bgfalcon03 wrote:They obviously didn't have the heart or whatever you want to call it to play here.
I think you are way out of line saying something like that. You have no idea what circumstances are that cause a player to leave. Not having the desire to be here is a possibility. But that also may be a result of a coach driving the player away with how they treat the player. There are a miriade of other reasons as well. Education, family, injury, playing time, etc. Saying a player left the team because they don't have the heart to play here is premature.

Interesting that you post this after someone questions the player for leaving, but you didn't have a problem with anyone saying that Brandon drove him out. TG is right on about prematurely lighting torches here. I do agree with you that there could be several reasons for Ellis leaving, if he has. However I see no reason why people can't question the player if its OK to bash the coach about him leaving.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:32 pm

I hope this isn't true. I really like this kid. He had HUGE upside.

If this is true, I wish him and his family all the best.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:12 pm

PGY Tiercel wrote:
Warthog wrote:
bgfalcon03 wrote:They obviously didn't have the heart or whatever you want to call it to play here.
I think you are way out of line saying something like that. You have no idea what circumstances are that cause a player to leave. Not having the desire to be here is a possibility. But that also may be a result of a coach driving the player away with how they treat the player. There are a miriade of other reasons as well. Education, family, injury, playing time, etc. Saying a player left the team because they don't have the heart to play here is premature.
Interesting that you post this after someone questions the player for leaving, but you didn't have a problem with anyone saying that Brandon drove him out.

That's because I think it is Brandon's fault.

BGSUFootballFan · Post by **BGSUFootballFan** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:07 pm

I think more of us would be ok with this if GB was a really hard nosed, tough, disciplined type of coach. But since he seems to be more of a positive influence, nice guy kind of coach it bothers us fans when a player leaves. Why you ask? Simply because the coaches who are really disciplined and structred will weed out the players who dont REALLY want to be there, no matter what their talent level. Whereas the Mr. Nice Guy coach can lose players simply because he doesn't have enough structure or control over the team causing players who really do want to stick it out, find something else to do with their time...

cowboyjoe · Post by **cowboyjoe** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:52 pm

If Ellis really had 76 touchbacks in high school then what happened this year? Was he kicking balloons in high school? He didn't have one touchback with us.