cowboyjoe wrote:Just like we "knew" Harris couldn't play QB after playing tailback and kick returner and throwing horribly his freshman year.
Apples and oranges...Harris was a true freshman thrown into duty LATE in his freshman year. Freddie was a redshirt freshman who was groomed to get snaps as a starter from the outset of fall practice when it was clear he would be under center against UW. In his 2nd year here (sophmore year), Harris displayed TONS more potential at QB than Freddie
If Freddie had the arm strength that Harris did...and Josh wasn't exactly great going deep downfield but he could at least zip the ball on a 10 yard out...he'd be in line to play QB. Freddie just doesn't have the arm strength. He didn't show it last spring, he didn't show it in the fall, he didn't show it on the field. It ain't there...it never was...it never will be because HE ISN'T GOING TO PLAY QB HERE
I don't care what Freddie does this offseason he is NOT a D1A QB. He cannot make the throws. Unlike a young Josh Harris, he doesn't have the potential to make the throws. Arm Strength is tough to improve, and it takes years to do so, not one offseason to "get in line."
Josh had a great arm from the start, just needed to improve his accuracy and decision making. Freddie struggles with accuracy and decision making, but doesn't even have the arm strength to make him worthwhile to try and groom.
Face it, Barnes was a one game flash in the pan at QB. With his throwing ability you would see all 11 defendersr within 10 yards of the LOS and our offense will not work that way (See: KSU).
Freddie is a great athlete, and our staff has realized that they must get him on the field. Hence they moved him to WR where he will get a chance to earn a starting spot and hopefully make plays. They knew that barring another emergency situation he was never going to play QB again.
Arguing about Barnes playing QB is pointless. He won't even practice there at all. He is a WR now. He would have been moved to WR in fall camp if it weren't for the fact that Brandon did not want to go into the Wisconsin game with two true freshman 1 and 2 on the depth chart.
Brandon makes plenty of mistakes but even he has recognized that Barnes is an "athlete" and needs to be on the field somewhere, just not at QB.
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Brandon should have never played him, then, against Wisconsin. He should have had Sheehan ready to go and Barnes at WR. Don'
t give me the crap that Sheehan didn't have enough time to prepare being a trush freshman and all---he played in the Kent game and he could have been ready to start at QB against Wisonsin. I wonder if Wisconsin played that same "basic" defense against Penn St when the Nittany Lions only had 201 total yards of offense that they played against FB when he ran for 165 himself? We "only" had 14 points against them but look at what the Badgers did to Penn St (3) Purdue (3) Northwestern (9) and San Diego State (0). Just think what we would have done with a "real" D1 at QB, huh guys?
Yes...you finally understand. Tyler Sheehan didn't get the Wisconsin start because Brandon wanted to keep the redshirt onthe freshmen QB's. He hoped that Brnes, the guy who was the #2 QB in the spring ahead of a walk on, would be able to give him adequate play at QB when Turner couldn't go.
Unfortuantely, Sheehan HAD to go in and play against Kent State. That's how badly Barnes was doing at QB.
I'm flummoxed by your insistence in seeing Barnes at QB. His speed and elusiveness make him a threat at WR or RB. YOu could use him as a slot WR or play him outside. We used to run an option play with Harris using Magner as a pitch man...it was a vey effective play and Barnes would be very dangerous in Magner's old role.
Instead, you insist on lining him up at a position where his glaring weakness, a poor throwing arm, limits his effectiveness instead of enhancing it. He has the skill set to be a very good WR. He does not have the skill set to be more than a mediocre QB becasue he cannot throw the ball with enough gas on it.
Cowboyjoe, you convinced me. Playing Freddie at QB will undoubtedly be the best thing for the future of Falcon football.
I say that because Brandon would surely get his ass fired next season if he was stupid enough to do that. So in the long run, playing Barnes at QB gets us rid of Brandon one year sooner so I'm all for it.
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Warthog wrote:Cowboyjoe, you convinced me. Playing Freddie at QB will undoubtedly be the best thing for the future of Falcon football.
I say that because Brandon would surely get his ass fired next season if he was stupid enough to do that. So in the long run, playing Barnes at QB gets us rid of Brandon one year sooner so I'm all for it.
When you put it like that it does make sense...even to my drunk ass.
OK, since this thread has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime to Arby's to hammb's state of sobriety, I'll chime in rather late ...
I know there will be competition in the spring, but AT has to go into spring as the #1 QB. Not a leadpipe cinch #1, but as the #1. Sheehan and/or Glaud will have to outplay him to take the top spot before the summer camp starts.
As the resident optimist, I have to say the idea of Partridge, Barnes and Bullock (especially with another year of conditioning under his belt) appeals to me a great deal. We may not score 50 points a game, but if we get some consistent QB play, we're going to be in good shape.
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Re AT...the TD passes he threw against Toledo...particularly the first one to Partridge...Harris and Jacobs couldn't have done it any better. I think AT will be the guy next year.
We can debate all we want, but at this point we will just have to wait and see. Personally I hope that all the QB's on the rooster have an equal shot at the starting position in the spring, a little competition might bring the best out in these guys.
