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BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:17 pm

bigdog wrote:It is clear that you have never been part of a team with those comments. If you had you would realize that there are always a few who are scared or just dissagree. It doesn't work like that and the fact that you think it does just shows how little you acutally know.

Your view is: "If you disagree with me, you're wrong."

bigdog · Post by **bigdog** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:51 pm

About things that are so clear and I know lots about, Yes.

It's the Journey... · Post by **It's the Journey...** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:08 pm

I'm waiting Bigdog.

bigdog · Post by **bigdog** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:04 pm

oh your so funny. I am pretty sure that my expertise in hockey far exceeds yours. So please don't try and make fun, Lord knows I wouldn't be arguing with you about percussion vs. wind instruments. So please don't argue with a person who clearly knows more about this subject than you.

It's the Journey... · Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:57 pm

What exactly about my comments do you disagree with? Maybe that will help me understand your point of view a little bit better. What is wrong with asking the team to stand up for themselves? If they do, and the coach tries to bench them all does that not strengthen their own claims? And name a BG coach who has been fired mid season in the last 15 years. I cannot think of one and asked if anyone else could.

Who's argueing? I am simply asking you which of my comments you disagree with and why so that I may understand your point of view better. I in no way am claiming my knowledge of hockey is greater than yours. Why is it that whenever I ask for clarification you feel the need to bring up what little you know about my musical background? For all you know I have written to the AD myself and have expressed my own concerns about the hockey program along with many other issues. So I will continue to wait for you to answer my very simple questions.

bigdog · Post by **bigdog** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:18 am

first off, seriously do you really believe that players can go to the AD and talk poorly about the coach while still under his power. Come on. If you truely think so than it is useless for me to even bother trying to show you why no way in hell would that ever work. Try to answer your own questions, seriously, just think about it. Do you really think the whole team would go and speak to the AD? Also what would you do to the players if you were the coach and you found out that players went to speak poorly about you to the AD? Seriously think about it.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:23 am

While I appreciate Journey's sense of fair play, I think it is naive to think that there is due process for college athletes. It is an athletic team--not a civil service division.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:19 am

There is, in fact, due process in college athletics, and yes, it has been done before, quite recently, in fact at BGSU. To say that a team could never or should never go to the AD with problems is beyond naive. Remember, coaches answer to the AD - they don't act with autonomy. If you believe that they do, then you are granting them a lot more power than they actually wield.

It's the Journey... · Post by **It's the Journey...** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:43 am

Bigdog, I am sure you see me as nothing more than a music nerd. And I am sorry for you for thinking that. The fact is, I am quite versed in the policies and procedures within the athletic department at BGSU specifically. I have gained the knowledge by working with people within the department, including the athletic director. There is a process, it does work quite well, and it has been tested many times before. Once involving me. So from a first hand experience, IT WOULD WORK!!!!! You bring up retaliation against the players and I am glad you did. What could the coach do, bench the whole team? And if that did happen, the players claims would be strengthened. It would also get TONS of press. How would that hurt your cause? It would not. I feel for you because I think there is a serious problem here. But I am not sure it is totally on the coach or players. More than likely both sides need to accept some blame. And again, I am not saying how much blame to assign each side. But to say the AD has not been brought in simply because it is believed he is in the coaches pocket is not valid. So they need to grow a pair and go talk to the AD.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:21 am

orangeandbrown wrote:While I appreciate Journey's sense of fair play, I think it is naive to think that there is due process for college athletes. It is an athletic team--not a civil service division.

Knowing that the Athletic Department is a division of a public University, I believe it would be more naive to think there WOULDN'T be due process for student athletes.

Ineedbotox · Post by **Ineedbotox** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:32 am

BGDrew wrote:This used to be a great place of camaraderie with a lot of people who were fans of the team and despite the season, this was a good place to talk to others.

Now, it's horrible. I no longer enjoy coming to this forum. Many of the "regulars" no longer enjoy coming to this forum. Hell, the guy who owns this site doesn't like coming to these forums because of how negative they've all become.

What happened to a nice play to come talk about a love we all have? Don't we see enough negative crap outside of this site

I understand that former players feel they have an agenda. However, you all should realize by now that we DO NOT CARE how you feel. Nothing you will say will change my mind, nor the minds of others here. You come here looking for a fight and hope some fairweather stumbles here and blindly goes with your belief.

A-Z-Z.com is not the Athletic Director's office. We do not speak for or represent the views of BGSU. You want a change in leadership? Talk to them. The football coach fiasco has proved that when it comes to money matters, the AD does not listen to us. Get used to it. Unless you're willing to put up the 100k or so it would take to remove Paluch, please, let us have our one little spot where it doesn't suck to be a fan of this University.

Speak for yourself. I'm sorry the other kids on the playground are ruining your fun.

While there are quite a few people who don't like the negative comments from FORMER PLAYERS, who actually know the game and know the man, please note: you do not speak for everyone. These are OPEN forums with room for DIFFERENT viewpoints.

I definitely take a whole LOT more stock in what the former players are saying than someone who knows nothing about what they are talking about and just wants to keep this place all to himself.

A majority of this website is dedicated to BG sports, and I think the hockey board has the most former players on it of any of the sports.

Trust me, my hockey knowledge is limited, but it probably far exceeds most of the self-professed "regulars" here. So I will give y'all the (non-BG) hockey scoop of the day: Dallas Stars hottie Mike Modano just got engaged to that girl from Dancing with the Stars, Willa Ford. (How's that for hockey scoop?!)

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:48 am

Rightupinthere wrote:
orangeandbrown wrote:While I appreciate Journey's sense of fair play, I think it is naive to think that there is due process for college athletes. It is an athletic team--not a civil service division.
Knowing that the Athletic Department is a division of a public University, I believe it would be more naive to think there WOULDN'T be due process for student athletes.

Really? How about when the Coach makes them run until they throw up?

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:52 am

orangeandbrown wrote:
Rightupinthere wrote:
orangeandbrown wrote:While I appreciate Journey's sense of fair play, I think it is naive to think that there is due process for college athletes. It is an athletic team--not a civil service division.
Knowing that the Athletic Department is a division of a public University, I believe it would be more naive to think there WOULDN'T be due process for student athletes.
Really? How about when the Coach makes them run until they throw up?

The bottom line is this -- BG athletes have due process if they feel as a whole they are being mistreated, and it has worked famously very recently in a similar situation. According to the former players, it can't get much worse, so what do the current players have to lose?

bigdog · Post by **bigdog** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:41 pm

ok assuming that the there is a process, thats great. But you are missing the key attribute. It has to be the whole team, I know for a fact that there are people on that team that are scared and others that are too far up Paluch's a** to ever go against him. You asked why Schmidt plays so much? On this team you could never get everyone to go to the AD. That is one of the major issues on the team. Paluch has little spies on the team, that report back to him. I know for a fact that there are kids on this team that are spies and run and tell coach everything. How do you think he knew that we were going to talk to Krebs last summer, and before he got the chance he went to Krebs and told him that it was our class ruining the team in order to discredit us. This team has a lot more issues than just the coach, but it is the coach that makes them this way. Some people will sell out their friends for the chance to play more. Its sad.

bigdog · Post by **bigdog** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:43 pm

Goldwing said this from the other forum, it has to do with this topic and he is totally right
"I think most have it Big Dog, they just don't want to believe it. Also if anyone ever allows the heat on the coaching staff to calm down, then Falcon Fans will be putting up with more of the same. The current players are frustrated too. They are pleading for help. They know last year's players tried to go to the AD and they were made out to be trouble makers in the locker room. That information made national news. Do you really think the players can trust anyone if they report what is going on in the locker room or practice. Big Dog is talking for the current players. Listen to him."

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