This Forum Sucks

[pdt1081]

ok assuming that the there is a process, thats great. But you are missing the key attribute. It has to be the whole team, I know for a fact that there are people on that team that are scared and others that are too far up Paluch's a** to ever go against him. You asked why Schmidt plays so much? On this team you could never get everyone to go to the AD. That is one of the major issues on the team.

Now we are starting to see the whole situation...

If every player was like Schmidt (not signalling him out, he was brought up) this argument would not be taking place. Why? Because former players wouldn't be calling for Paluch's head? No, because BG Hockey would be sitting in the top 5 in the league. Players haven't bought completely into the system and until they do, we will not win consistently.

[Rightupinthere]

Goldwing said this from the other forum, it has to do with this topic and he is totally right
"I think most have it Big Dog, they just don't want to believe it. Also if anyone ever allows the heat on the coaching staff to calm down, then Falcon Fans will be putting up with more of the same. The current players are frustrated too. They are pleading for help. They know last year's players tried to go to the AD and they were made out to be trouble makers in the locker room. That information made national news. Do you really think the players can trust anyone if they report what is going on in the locker room or practice. Big Dog is talking for the current players. Listen to him."

What heat?

There are perhaps two to three dozen fans who post on here and maybe twice that many read the forums on a regular basis.

That's not a strong enough base to apply this mythical heat you prior players are speaking of.

We, as fans, are in a tough spot. We can only speak with our pocket books by NOT going to games. But then, we turn out backs on the very players you want us to support. Write letters? Yeah, that has a history of working (read: sarcasm).

I get and understand how difficult it is to be a fan. You all don't. You don't. You just don't get it because you're not acting as fans. I'm not saying your viewpoint is wrong. I'm saying you don't understand nor appreciate the fans' perspective. You expect us to believe you and side with you (although it has been difficult since you started introductions by calling us "retards") but then you don't look at matters from the fans' perspective.

The average fan - which is what this site is about - doesn't have the power you think they do. And you don't get that. And you won't get that.

We've heard you. You need not repeat yourself over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I used to like being a mod. Not so much anymore.

[bigdog]

clearly not everyone heard me yet becuase I only answered questions that I was asked. And pdt-whatever, seriously out of the whole thing I wrote that is what you are remembered, ahhhhh, see it is trying to talk to people like you that make this very fustrating.

[Tech83]

RUIT ----- Amen Brother.

I tried to explain that in my last post about two pages ago. Unfortunately, these "former players" and their supporters just don't want to accept anyone's response. There is always something they comeback with like ".... but we can't go to the coach." or "We can't go to the AD." or "The AD does not visit our locker room."

The only thing I can figure out is the only way they will be satisified is if we all show up on campus and hold a protest or do a sit-in at the AD's office. I am sorry, there are real issues effecting the university that take precedent over a hockey team or a football team or whatever sport. I would see no problem stripping a malcontent hockey player who is not performing of his scholarship and giving it to the women's volleyball or basketball team who seems to have athletes who are working hard, have bought into the coaches system, and are showing measurable results with winning seasons and NCAA berths. Maybe I write an email to the AD that says that...........

I have yet to hear anything other than..... I hate coach.... he's a bad person...... he has favorites....... he works us hard until we puke........ Welcome to life. You are really going to struggle in the real world outside of the fantasyland known as College Athletics. It seems to me that we have players who do not know how to confront adversity and overcome it..... whether its name be "my own personal skill level compared to everyone elses" ..... or some guy named Pooch. Could it be that we have recruited players that thought once they got in a DIV I program that they would not have to work hard? Sorry girls, now you have to work twice as hard and four times as hard to play the level beyond this.........

And again for the zillionth time...... a non-performing coach will not be here for long. The AD is a professional, he can do his job without my input.

[Ineedbotox]

I have yet to hear anything other than..... I hate coach.... he's a bad person...... he has favorites....... he works us hard until we puke........

I think that a lot of people disagree with the message because of the way it is being delivered. However, I think the players HAVE backed up what they are talking about (not to mention the current sad state of affairs seems a little obvious: 1-9). For example, see: http://www.ay-ziggy-zoomba.com/phpBB2/v ... hp?t=13723

[Rightupinthere]

I have yet to hear anything other than..... I hate coach.... he's a bad person...... he has favorites....... he works us hard until we puke........

I think that a lot of people disagree with the message because of the way it is being delivered. However, I think the players HAVE backed up what they are talking about (not to mention the current sad state of affairs seems a little obvious: 1-9). For example, see: http://www.ay-ziggy-zoomba.com/phpBB2/v ... hp?t=13723

Yes, they have backed it up. Fine. But somehow the players are taking out their aggression through a FAN SITE!?

AZZ.com and in particular this forum is in a VERY peculiar situation. There isn't another fan board in any sport which has ex-players picking bones about their ex-coach. None. Zilch. Zip. Nada. Why? Probably because it does no good.

Won/loss records matter to the AD. Yes, attendance does matter, but only for the casual fans. The AD's know that the die hards will show up regardless, so they basically don't care about them (dollars count).

*psst* This forum is nothing BUT die hard fans. In other words, we don't matter unless we can throw copious amounts of money towards the program.

Here's an idea for the ex-players. Why don't you contact fellow hockey program alumni? Many of them have more money than the people on this board. THEY would have leverage. Your teachers, underwriters, media pros, small business owners, and out of work evil historians which make up the population of this board DO NOT!

Botox, however, is a hott big shot Texas lawyer. Her husband also has a private practice. They have tons of money. Have her write a letter.

[FrozenOrange]

There is, in fact, due process in college athletics, and yes, it has been done before, quite recently, in fact at BGSU. To say that a team could never or should never go to the AD with problems is beyond naive. Remember, coaches answer to the AD - they don't act with autonomy. If you believe that they do, then you are granting them a lot more power than they actually wield.

An excellent example of what you're saying is what happened with the hockey program at Harvard at the end of the 2003/04 season. Both players and parents were very unhappy with the way that Mark Mazzoleni was running the show there. They collectively took their issues to the AD, Mazzoleni was history, and they brought in Ted Donato.

[Ineedbotox]

Ha, ha RUIT. I don't think the Administration would put much stock in anything I'd have to say absent a big fat check being attached to it. As Transfer has alluded to in the past, I would hate for anyone in Administration to look up the file on me that probably exists at BGSU. I'm sure the AD would not really feel it necessary to respond to some drunken sorority chick's calling for the hockey coach's job.

[bigdog]

ok, we have already tried that. Please listen i will explain it again. At the end of last year all the seniors requested a meeting with the AD. Since the AD was in the process of being replaced we set up a meeting with Jana Bleigh (spelling?). She told us that only 1 spokesperson would be able to meet with her and that she did not want to have all the seniors in at once. We did this. Unfortunately, someone on the team told coach previously before we met with her that we were going to do this. So after our spokesperson met with Jana, she told us that coach Paluch had already contacted her about the meeting we were going to have. He proceeded to tell her that all of what we were going to say was a lie and that it was our class that was the major problem. Once we left the team would be much better. We did then contact past players and most of the seniors and their parents and past players wrote letters to the new AD. We have tried, the reason we are on here is to hopefully gain some public support. Many of you say that you will never and we are wasting our time. I have recieved many private messages from people saying they are sending letters and trying to do something to get Paluch out.

[Rightupinthere]

Many of you say that you will never and we are wasting our time. I have recieved many private messages from people saying they are sending letters and trying to do something to get Paluch out.

I believe you, brother. I had a similar circumstance with a manager I had when I was in sales years back. Of course our team was still one of the top producers, but you can't equate hockey with people busting their @ss for a buck.

You would be better served writing letters to the editor of the BG news, sentinal, and Blade.

This forum has quite a bit of activity, but only from halfwits iike myself logging on every 22 mintues.

[FrozenOrange]

With all due respect, you don't seem to have very much respect for how others feel.

Bleeding Orange, I wonder to what extent the feelings of last years seniors were taken into account when members of this forum were spewing venom at them and their parents. Collectively they have been described as "a cancer", "little princes", "the trash", etc. Is this really the way a true Falcon Hockey Fan would treat those who earned the right to wear the jersey?

Here's a thought. Next time one of last year's seniors is in town to watch a game, why don't those who come on the forum and write this stuff walk up to the guy, and say these things to him personally? Perhaps Magman would like to be first in line?

[hockey fan]

Realistically Bigdog, I think you have accomplished a lot of what you've set out to do. While there are posters on this board that are getting tired of hearing about it all the time, people (including the AD) know there is a problem.

After Paluch got done telling the administration how the problem lay with last year's seniors, how bad has this season looked. The AD's office realizes that Pooch has lost control. He won't last another year at this rate.

That said, its pretty unlikely that they are going to fire a coach in the middle of the season. It is still a university and hockey really isn't the top priority.

[bigdog]

I don't know if Macman even exists anymore. Its amazing how he would constantly say how I was wrong, and how much better this year will be becuase the seniors are gone.
But I haven't seen him on here a long time, I think it has been since the looonnnggg losing streak started, weird.

[Tech83]

I have yet to hear anything other than..... I hate coach.... he's a bad person...... he has favorites....... he works us hard until we puke........

I think that a lot of people disagree with the message because of the way it is being delivered. However, I think the players HAVE backed up what they are talking about (not to mention the current sad state of affairs seems a little obvious: 1-9). For example, see: http://www.ay-ziggy-zoomba.com/phpBB2/v ... hp?t=13723

Botox, I read that thread long ago. Those are not solid examples in my eyes.

Are you going to tell me that in your firm...... the partners do not have favorites, that everything is the same for everyone, that people never tell you one thing then do another, that the senior partners drop to their knees to display respect to the recently graduated, that everyone thinks the senior partners are the most brilliant people in the world?

Those are life lessons and it sometimes life isn't fair. I started my own firm to get away from that bull. BUT - I never let those issues stand in my way of providing the highest level of committment to whatever firm I was working for. I actually developed and submitted a proposal for a client I brought into a firm the same day I resigned. It was the biggest government client this firm could have and they were there becuasue of me. I was freaking "COMPANY MAN" with a waving cape and everything. Only now, nearly 16 years later, does the owner of that firm give me any sort of "respect'. And it basically because my public service and designs are gaining local attention.

I also want to know what you would think of someone who reports to you who would go behind your back and talk to a senior partner about you and saying you suck, you're ignorant, you like johnny more than you like them..... what would be your response? And why shouldn't anyone here expect the same response from any coach concerning his athletes?

Personally- I they we should all agree to disagree and move on to other topics. If certain posters, on either side of the arguement want to argue, then let them do it through PM's where the rest of us don't have to be dragged into this circle jerk.

[Bleeding Orange]

Botox, I read that thread long ago. Those are not solid examples in my eyes.

Are you going to tell me that in your firm...... the partners do not have favorites, that everything is the same for everyone, that people never tell you one thing then do another, that the senior partners drop to their knees to display respect to the recently graduated, that everyone thinks the senior partners are the most brilliant people in the world?

I totally agree. Given the level of hatred for Pooch that was displayed by bigdog and others, I was literally expecting the examples of his transgressions to include things like physical abuse and personal humiliation in front of the team/coaches. Please forgive me guys because this is going to sound more offensive than I mean it to, but, this is what I found instead:

Disrespecting players & being a Coward?

Lying & being a Coward?

Favortisim (twice)?

Ignorance?

Lack of respect?

Demeaning players?

Lying directly to players?

You'll have to excuse me if I'm not exactly promted to go get my pitchfork and torch after reading that list.

Personally- I they we should all agree to disagree and move on to other topics. If certain posters, on either side of the arguement want to argue, then let them do it through PM's where the rest of us don't have to be dragged into this circle jerk.

And this is exactly what I was trying to say three pages ago in this thread, although mad props to Tech for the PM idea. I guess I'll think twice before I submit my plagiarism suit against him...