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[blueliners_bg]

Tech83:
It is obvious you didn't read that post, you because you only took one thing and one thing only away from it. He has favorites stuff aside, there were just a few more points in it that effect a players ability to play hockey. Perhaps you missed the items about sticks, body fat testing (many say our players aren't big or strong enough could this be why?), disrespect, and dishonesty, all effect how you play. Not to mention the other examples about the powerplay that bigdog has recently revealed. Don't just read and consider only the things you want to. I do believe he has said there are many more, too many to post.

You believe one should just wait for someone to do their job or that you have confidence in them to do their job, what if they aren't doing it ; do you just continue to wait around and do nothing. That way of thinking is just not in my nature, and if it were the nature of every BG hockey player or any hockey player for that matter then every game ever played would be tied at 0-0.


Rightupinthere:
No direspect intended, but first I have been lurking here awhile and only recently began posting, there are more lurkers and more people than you think that read this site, that includes former players, current players, and I would venture to say Pooch.

Second, don't tell me I don't know what it means to be a "fan", I am at almost every game cheering for the falcon hockey players and at one time even Pooch! (And, I have never called anybody a retard or any other deragatory name. That was a longtime ago and since then I do believe the tone has been a bit less snippy, let that go there was name calling on both sides.) At this point it is not about sticking with program thru thick and thin, we have done that for the past 4plus years, and I still will but. how long do we wait when it is so obvious this could be a great team.

Third, there was alot of repetition on this board before and nobody complained. If you don't like it don't read it or don't post. (I realize that may be hard for you though) Anyway, when there were and are repetitive postings that are not on this subject nobody ever tells those posters to stop repeating themselves.


It's the Journey:
You keep telling them to grow a pair and go to the AD. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE! See how well it worked out, now they are nothing but a bunch of sabotagers and candy a**es that would buy in, you don't think the current team sees that?


pdt1081:
They wouldn't be calling for his head because their heads would be too far up Pooch's ****??? Come on do you really believe that they aren't winning because ALL the players haven't bought into the coaches philosophy? Ok fine then, so the players with alot of ice time have bought in then why aren't we winning?

[Tech83]

Tech83:
It is obvious you didn't read that post, you because you only took one thing and one thing only away from it. He has favorites stuff aside, there were just a few more points in it that effect a players ability to play hockey. Perhaps you missed the items about sticks, body fat testing (many say our players aren't big or strong enough could this be why?), disrespect, and dishonesty, all effect how you play. Not to mention the other examples about the powerplay that bigdog has recently revealed. Don't just read and consider only the things you want to. I do believe he has said there are many more, too many to post.

Sticks ..... body fat.... yeah got it. No my friend, I read all those things. A craftsman never blames his tools. It's all a broken record. Basically what you are saying is that our players do not have the mental strength, fortiture, and heart to overcome adversity. Even if that adversity is the coach.

You believe one should just wait for someone to do their job or that you have confidence in them to do their job, what if they aren't doing it ; do you just continue to wait around and do nothing. That way of thinking is just not in my nature, and if it were the nature of every BG hockey player or any hockey player for that matter then every game ever played would be tied at 0-0.

We have a new AD. He has inherited all of these coaches and programs. I sure he is assessing the entire situation. He doesn't even have 6 months on the job and you have no confidence in him. Interesting. Tell me how that is a sign of respect for this professional who has far more experinece in running an athletic department than anyone posting on this board. You clowns are amazing. You think you deserve respect, but you are not willing to earn or show it to others.

Yep, This Forum Sucks.

[McConvey]

ok, we have already tried that. Please listen i will explain it again. At the end of last year all the seniors requested a meeting with the AD. Since the AD was in the process of being replaced we set up a meeting with Jana Bleigh (spelling?). She told us that only 1 spokesperson would be able to meet with her and that she did not want to have all the seniors in at once. We did this. Unfortunately, someone on the team told coach previously before we met with her that we were going to do this. So after our spokesperson met with Jana, she told us that coach Paluch had already contacted her about the meeting we were going to have. He proceeded to tell her that all of what we were going to say was a lie and that it was our class that was the major problem. Once we left the team would be much better. We did then contact past players and most of the seniors and their parents and past players wrote letters to the new AD. We have tried, the reason we are on here is to hopefully gain some public support. Many of you say that you will never and we are wasting our time. I have recieved many private messages from people saying they are sending letters and trying to do something to get Paluch out.

If this happened exactly like you said, then I would think that your side of the argument gained some creedence within the department between the initial meeting with Jana Blaise and the recent streak of nine-straight losses. Afterall, if it was all the '06 class' fault as Paluch asserted, I can't see the team going on the longest losing streak since 1998.

With that said, I would suggest the current players and ex-players who are in your camp to go back to the athletic department and re-address the issues. Don't say 'I told you so' but address the same issues and how they have not changed or have gotten worse.
I suggest this because something similar happened at Merrimack a couple of years ago. I'm not exactly tight with Merrimack's program or anything so I don't know the exact issues, but I do know that a large group of the players took their case against their coach to the athletics department (this was 04-05 season). Their situation was all the more interesting in that the coach was also the interim Athletics Director. The players 'won' in that the coach resigned from the university that spring and took a job at one of the prep schools out there.

I don't know how comparable the situations are. Maybe not at all. I just used it as an example of the players banding together to enact change. It took more than one meeting (they may have even gone outside the athletic department to the university administration. I honestly dont remember) but they did get it done.

I'd tell you how Merrimack fans felt, but Merrimack doesn't have any fans

[Tech83]

Listen to McConvey..... she works in an Athletic Department. She knows what she's talking about.

[Rightupinthere]

Listen to McConvey..... she works in an Athletic Department. She knows what she's talking about.

Naw, it's with basketball - which she prefers over hockey.

*runs for his life*

[TheKa]

All of this is really giving me a headache, but I had to add one thing...

The stick thing that Bigdog brought up is a HUGE deal.

First, He is not speaking of a new issue. I was told of this issue 4 years ago by former players and former players families...those boys are now playing PROFESSIONAL hockey, some at the highest level. They were upset about the stick thing back then.

Secondly, hockey players are notoriously superstitious and weird about their equipment. If they are told by a coach to use a certain type of stick because of an equipment deal or are forced to "trade" sticks with other players, it makes them even more wacky than normal.

Lastly, the type of stick a players uses is a personal choice. If a player isn't comfortable with their equipment (a stick in this case) it can cause all sorts of problems from how they handle the puck to how they shoot. As an example, different baseball players use a different weight and length of bat based on their personal preference and bodytype, correct?

Can you imagine what would've happened if Mike Babcock (2nd year head coach of the Red Wings) had walked into the locker room and said "We have an equipment deal, so we are all going to use one piece sticks from company X!" or "We're going to shake things up, let's all trade sticks!" How would've Yzerman, Lidstrom, Zetterberg or for heaven sakes Chelios felt about that? How do you think they would've reacted? I can imagine it would NOT have gone over well...

[Bleeding Orange]

All of this is really giving me a headache, but I had to add one thing...

The stick thing that Bigdog brought up is a HUGE deal.

First, He is not speaking of a new issue. I was told of this issue 4 years ago by former players and former players families...those boys are now playing PROFESSIONAL hockey, some at the highest level. They were upset about the stick thing back then.

Secondly, hockey players are notoriously superstitious and weird about their equipment. If they are told by a coach to use a certain type of stick because of an equipment deal or are forced to "trade" sticks with other players, it makes them even more wacky than normal.

Lastly, the type of stick a players uses is a personal choice. If a player isn't comfortable with their equipment (a stick in this case) it can cause all sorts of problems from how they handle the puck to how they shoot. As an example, different baseball players use a different weight and length of bat based on their personal preference and bodytype, correct?

Can you imagine what would've happened if Mike Babcock (2nd year head coach of the Red Wings) had walked into the locker room and said "We have an equipment deal, so we are all going to use one piece sticks from company X!" or "We're going to shake things up, let's all trade sticks!" How would've Yzerman, Lidstrom, Zetterberg or for heaven sakes Chelios felt about that? How do you think they would've reacted? I can imagine it would NOT have gone over well...

On the surface this sounds like a big deal, but I would like to know if this is the case at other collegiate hockey programs without mascots like badgers, eagles and gophers? I suspect that BG isn't that much of an aberration in this regard.

McConvey, any insights?

[McConvey]

On the surface this sounds like a big deal, but I would like to know if this is the case at other collegiate hockey programs without mascots like badgers, eagles and gophers? I suspect that BG isn't that much of an aberration in this regard.

McConvey, any insights?

They're right on the sticks. Huge issue and extremely personal.
And the teams that have equipment deals do have issues with players not liking the sticks or even the skates (skates are just as personal as sticks).
Not remotely my area of expertise: I never dealt with equipment at all, just heard people (players and equipment managers) express dislike.

The only solution I've seen is for a player to get his own sticks and then tape or paint over the offending brand name. (NHL players do this, too). But in the case of NCAA players, this means he has to purchase his own sticks, and those things aren't cheap these days.

So I have lent no insight at all

[Bleeding Orange]

On the surface this sounds like a big deal, but I would like to know if this is the case at other collegiate hockey programs without mascots like badgers, eagles and gophers? I suspect that BG isn't that much of an aberration in this regard.

McConvey, any insights?

They're right on the sticks. Huge issue and extremely personal.
And the teams that have equipment deals do have issues with players not liking the sticks or even the skates (skates are just as personal as sticks).
Not remotely my area of expertise: I never dealt with equipment at all, just heard people (players and equipment managers) express dislike.

The only solution I've seen is for a player to get his own sticks and then tape or paint over the offending brand name. (NHL players do this, too). But in the case of NCAA players, this means he has to purchase his own sticks, and those things aren't cheap these days.

So I have lent no insight at all

Meh, it was worth a shot. My expectations were low, so no worries.

[pdt1081]

They're right on the sticks. Huge issue and extremely personal.
And the teams that have equipment deals do have issues with players not liking the sticks or even the skates (skates are just as personal as sticks).
Not remotely my area of expertise: I never dealt with equipment at all, just heard people (players and equipment managers) express dislike.

The only solution I've seen is for a player to get his own sticks and then tape or paint over the offending brand name. (NHL players do this, too). But in the case of NCAA players, this means he has to purchase his own sticks, and those things aren't cheap these days.

So I have lent no insight at all

Dead on.

It is very important for an NCAA team to have an equipment deal. This is the best way for a school to save money. Getting a discount on equipment means that money can be invested in other areas (or more equipment). Jerseys, pads, sticks, skates...everything adds up quickly. It's been awhile, but I think each player gets new skates twice. Once his freshman year, and then again his junior year. I believe pads are used for all four years. Goalies are given their helmet and their pads are replaced twice. Any design they want painted on the helmet is paid for by them, not the team. Scooter has done a lot to get the team the best deals on everything. Yes, this means some players have to make sacrifices in their personal preferences, but overall, it is for the betterment of the program.

[out_east]

The issue at Merrimack was a little different
- Patronage issues
- Fired 20 year beloved assistant who was a vietnam vet, played in the olympics, and was well regarded at the school
- Alienated a couple key donors
- Alienated a number of past stars

You throw in the mutiny and that did him in.

There was a division 3 team in the east last year that was able to get their coach removed also, these types of uprisings happen a lot more than you think although they are rarely successful.


The issue with the sticks is a common issue across a number of programs that are on tight budgets. A couple high skill/production players get what they want, while other players have to pick from a limited set of options.

[bigdog]

having a stick deal doesn't mean anything when Paluch lets people order what the want (some people) and then makes everyone on the team order two piece sticks on top of what they have already ordered because he thinks they are better. So technically he is buying twice as many sticks as needed. Good to see the money was put to good use.

[blueliners_bg]

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Orignally posted by Tech83:

Sticks ..... body fat.... yeah got it. No my friend, I read all those things. A craftsman never blames his tools. It's all a broken record. Basically what you are saying is that our players do not have the mental strength, fortiture, and heart to overcome adversity. Even if that adversity is the coach.

A craftsman should never blame his tools, but he also can make anything without the proper ones either.

AND NO, I never said they don't have the mental strength fortitude or the heart you did! In fact I think they do and show it by coming here and trying to overcome the adversity of the coach. They first went to the AD as suggested by so many it didn't work, and by they way they did so at the end of their season doing this in no way was helping themselves. They were thinking of their friends and team mates. So instead of giving up and just saying oh well I don't have to deal with it anymore; they sought another avenue, here. Just goes to show you that they do have heart and never give up. I myself am proud of them!

We have a new AD. He has inherited all of these coaches and programs. I sure he is assessing the entire situation. He doesn't even have 6 months on the job and you have no confidence in him. Interesting. Tell me how that is a sign of respect for this professional who has far more experinece in running an athletic department than anyone posting on this board. You clowns are amazing. You think you deserve respect, but you are not willing to earn or show it to others.

Wow, glad you don't work for my company...if you did I don't think I would have a job. My comment was not so much about the AD but in that respect as well, how long do you wait around before you take action when someone isn't doing there job they were hired to do. Confidence and respect are both things that are EARNED not DESERVED. When someone gains my confidence and earns respect by doing the job hired to do that is when it is deserved. I don't think I DESERVE respect, I do think I have EARNED it, through all of this I have done my job as a fan and am still doing it I show up and cheer on the Falcon Players every game! I back them they DESERVE IT!

[blueliners_bg]

Wow, too early in the morning! Once again, a little simpler this time.

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Tech83:
A craftsman should never blame his tools, but he also can't make anything without the proper ones either.

AND NO, I never said they don't have the mental strength, fortitude or the heart, you did! In fact I think they do and show it by coming here and trying to overcome the adversity of the coach. They first went to the AD as suggested by so many it didn't work, and by the way they did so at the end of their season, doing this in no way helped themselves. They were thinking of their friends and team mates. So instead of giving up and just saying oh well I don't have to deal with it anymore; they sought another avenue, here. Just goes to show you that they do have heart and never give up. I myself am proud of them!


Wow, glad you don't work for my company...if you did I don't think I would have a job. And believe me I manage my department quite well.

My comment was not so much about the AD but in that respect as well, how long do you wait around before you take action when someone isn't doing there job they were hired to do. It is time to take ACTION, I believe the assistants could take over and do quite well, and it would cost BGSU nothing. I understand the players do like Cole and in his short time here he has gained their respect. Confidence and respect are both things that are EARNED not DESERVED. When someone gains my confidence and earns respect by doing the job hired to do that is when it is deserved. I don't think I DESERVE respect, I do think I have EARNED it, through all of this I have done my job as a fan and am still doing it I show up and cheer on the Falcon Players every game! I back them they have EARNED it and DESERVE IT! I want them to have something to show for their hard work!

[ShaneFalco]

blueliners_bg:

It is very nice to see that you are in-tune to the big picture, and that we have your support. As you stated, we have nothing to gain personally. We are just looking out for what is best for the program, team, our former teammates, and our friends.