Williamson and Mahoney leaving with Frericks

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:01 pm

orangeandbrown wrote:
hammb wrote:Yep, they're pussies. Just like Ron Lewis, Scott Vandermeer, Erik Crawford, Raheem Moss, etc, etc.

The difference between a good coach and what we have is that a good coach knows how to get his players to realize how much work it takes to excel. They make the kids WANT to work their rearends off.
Right you are. Doesn't have to be in sports. Could be a band director, or a boss, or a CO.

Question is, did you ever have somebody who you would run through a brick wall for? That's what it means.

And if you did: how'd you feel at the end of the day? Like you couldn't wait to get back? Exactly.

This is a very nice explanation. Of course, the player has to have some level of "want-to", but I think most college athletes at BG (meaning not just here to get to the pros) already have that. From there, it falls on the coaches, and the head coach in particular. The head coach's biggest function is as a motivator. I think we have enough evidence in front of us right now to conclude that GB is not good at this particular aspect of his job as it stands. Maybe he'll improve, but I figure if he hasn't learned it by now, he's not likely to in the next 2 seasons.

factman · Post by **factman** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:17 pm

It is time for some to realize that sometimes the "situation" is just not a good fit, whether it is the coach, the academics, the weather, or whatever. This happens at EVERY school, but for some reason, alot of people on this board seem to think it is ALWAYS the coaches fault. Hell, I remember about 20 years ago, we had a football recruit that was playing alot from Wood County get "homesick". He really wanted to go home and live with his mommy and commute!!!!! As they say $hit happens! Ever heard of Nate Miller........you will tonight!
Sometimes the coach "arranges" and helps with these transfers, to help out both the player and the team. Sometimes something you thought you saw on film, just isn't there when they are in "real time". It is NO BIG DEAL. We only had about 20 available scholarships, so this may well help out in that regard.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:19 pm

I think this can cut both ways...some kids like the sound of being a D1A player, but when they aren't immediately succesful they bail and head for a situation where they can get some PT.

I'm not saying this is the case with any of the kids who have left the football or basketball programs, but to just lay the blame at the feet of the coaches doesn't seem fair (and yes I know you're thinking "well the coach should recruit kids they know will stick with it"...OK, the minute you can state that you have never been unpleasantly suprised by the reaction of someone you thought you knew, you can make that argument.)

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:55 pm

Hey Flip, great point. Hard to remember that most of these kids were stars in high school, probably one of the two or three best players on their team; it's likely they didn't have to work like a fiend to get to that level, either. Then they come to a D-IA school and find that they are at the bottom of the depth chart with a year or two of weights and practice squad ahead of them.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:22 pm

The point here, is that players are leaving. Meaning however good or bad they are, being here isn't what they want. There just aren't many positive ways to spin this, without having several negatives to go along with it.

I won't even bother to get into what I think this means about the program in general. But I'm really looking forward to hearing the excuse about "how young" the team is, as they struggle a couple of years hence.

CrazyFan · Post by **CrazyFan** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:29 pm

NWLB wrote:The point here, is that players are leaving. Meaning however good or bad they are, being here isn't what they want. There just aren't many positive ways to spin this, without having several negatives to go along with it.

I won't even bother to get into what I think this means about the program in general. But I'm really looking forward to hearing the excuse about "how young" the team is, as they struggle a couple of years hence.

Players leave every program, not just ours, especially in football. I think a very positive way to spin this is we have 3 more scholarships to give to kids that want to work to be their best and not just quit because 1. not enough pt 2. coach working me to hard 3. home sick 4. team sucks 5. (insert your reason here). If a junior or senior quits then I can see a problem that's probably attributed to the coach. 3 redshirt freshman leaving to go to the same school; their quitters that didn't get their way for some reason and took the easy road out instead of working hard. I lay 15% of this on GB and the rest on the kids.

FalconFanatic · Post by **FalconFanatic** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:43 pm

I hope the door doesn't hit em in the a$$ on the way out! Good riddence, adios, vamanos, see ya later!

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:56 pm

their quitters that didn't get their way for some reason and took the easy road out instead of working hard.

Have you ever changed jobs in your life?

Do you believe they don't plan on working hard with their new team?

They wanted a change of scenery in order to get the most out of their college careers, which doesn't last very long. I don't believe that warrants insults.

CrazyFan · Post by **CrazyFan** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:13 pm

San Diego Falcon wrote:
their quitters that didn't get their way for some reason and took the easy road out instead of working hard.
Have you ever changed jobs in your life?

Do you believe they don't plan on working hard with their new team?

They wanted a change of scenery in order to get the most out of their college careers, which doesn't last very long. I don't believe that warrants insults.

No insults intended. That's just my personal opinion on the matter.

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:15 pm

and your answer to my first question is.....?

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:21 pm

I certainly don't blame the coaching staff alone in this. It is not purely their fault, obviously these guys decided they no longer wanted to be at BG. That is fine, and it is their choice. I don't think it's fair to call them sissies or not wanting to put the work in. Like somebody said, they're still going to be playing college football, and I'm quite certain they'll be working hard for their new team.

Yes, I know that other schools have to deal with transfers as well. It is part of collegiate athletics.

Still, you cannot shrug this off and just treat it like nothing. This makes at least 5 (I think there were more, but 5 is my count in my head) kids transferring this offseason. That is a decent part of your roster, and it's not something that you can just get past. As Nathan eluded to, this is going to make another time in the near future where we'll suck and we'll keep saying how it's because we're so young. As we've seen with the Hoops team, if you cannot keep kids in the program you'll always be young; if you're always young, you're not very likely to succeed either.

This is a disturbing trend, and it wouldn't surprise me if there were more names coming out as the new semester gets closer. Our current coaching staff has struggled to produce winning teams, and from the looks of the product on the field they've started to lose the team...seeing a rash of transfers should not surprise anyone at this point. Hopefully we can bring in some new, better recruits to take their place, but I'm not going to hold my breath. The recruiting record of this coaching staff is pretty pathetic as well.

Just remember there was a time not so long ago that we kept saying how it was no big deal that Erik Crawford left, we liked Fitch better. It wasn't a big deal when Raheem Moss left, he never played. Who cares if Austin Montgomery or Isaac Rosefelt transfer, they weren't any good. Eventually you cannot keep brushing it off, if you lose enough talent it's going to hurt the team; whether they play now, or were being groomed for the future, it's eventually going to hurt the program to have kids leave.

Falconboy · Post by **Falconboy** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:07 pm

I really , really don't get these transfer's. They should be the heir-apparent to Markary and and others. Williamson would've had the inside track to be the starting LG and Mahoney the RG if memory serves me right. But ugh...this is not good.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:18 pm

falconboy wrote:I really , really don't get these transfer's. They should be the heir-apparent to Markary and and others. Williamson would've had the inside track to be the starting LG and Mahoney the RG if memory serves me right. But ugh...this is not good.

Memory does not serve you. They were not even on the 2 deep.

Falconboy · Post by **Falconboy** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:44 pm

Globetrotter wrote:
falconboy wrote:I really , really don't get these transfer's. They should be the heir-apparent to Markary and and others. Williamson would've had the inside track to be the starting LG and Mahoney the RG if memory serves me right. But ugh...this is not good.
Memory does not serve you. They were not even on the 2 deep.

Okay, maybe there wern't.Maybe GB's moving a DT in Brandon Curtis to OL didn't sit well with these guys.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:05 pm

he wasnt on the 2 deep either

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