Push off clinched it

swinger5 · Post by **swinger5** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:38 pm

I guess the UW-Green bay announcer said it best: "if you had 17 more fouls called on you, you'd be mad"

More or less, the push off by the UW-Greenbay player on Miller for that last 3 was the story of the whole game. No calls for them led to the win.

Anyone that truly watched the game will know exactly what I'm talking about.

bobio · Post by **bobio** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:46 pm

I just saw a commercial where a gentleman said he got hosed. Looks like the hose job just moved to Green Bay

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:58 pm

It isn't like this has never happened in our games...at least part of it has to be our tendency to foul.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:11 pm

No, if you watched this game, it was pretty well clear that the fix was on. Sure, when you play man D you are going to commit a lot of fouls due to playing people close, but 28-13 fouls? Please. That game was simply painful to watch.

And the saddest part is that we outplayed Green Bay in every aspect of the game, save for the one thing we couldn't control - free throw shooting.

That game was an abomination.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:33 pm

Bleeding Orange wrote:And the saddest part is that we outplayed Green Bay in every aspect of the game, save for the one thing we couldn't control - free throw shooting.

I, and Coach Dakich, will beg to differ with you. As he stated in his post game comments, we got out butts kicked on the boards again. They had like 15 offensive rebounds to our two. You cannot win when giving the opponent that many second chances.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:40 am

Warthog wrote:
Bleeding Orange wrote:And the saddest part is that we outplayed Green Bay in every aspect of the game, save for the one thing we couldn't control - free throw shooting.
I, and Coach Dakich, will beg to differ with you. As he stated in his post game comments, we got out butts kicked on the boards again. They had like 15 offensive rebounds to our two. You cannot win when giving the opponent that many second chances.

That I will give you - I totally forgot to mention that. That was one hell of a good rebounding team. Other than that, though, our man D was phenomenal for most of the game, and although Samarco had one of his worst games, there were a lot of guys creating things offensively even when our offense wasn't creating anything.

I really wish that I had not been able to watch that game. I'm still upset about it.

BGSUSynchroSk8r2006 · Post by **BGSUSynchroSk8r2006** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:39 am

Did anyone notice that the guy making all the calls lastnight was the same white haired guy who made all the calls in the Furman game?? Furman was of course another game where we totally outplayed another team and yet somehow couldn't win it. Coincidence?

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:09 am

We play a man to man defense...a physical man to man defense. Most teams play zone. I'm convinced (and have been for awhile) that officials call more fouls on us because they don't see too much man to man anymore and just look like we're fouling people because we're on them so hard.

I think we get called for a lot of boderline stuff as a result.

Warthog is right, the rebounding margin killed us yesterday. Getting Marschall back will be a big help as will Nate Miller...Miller has been great on the boards so far and he doesn't have his legs under him yet. But, one or two guys aren't the answer. Rebounding is as much a team concept as defense. Everyone has to work at it, everyone has to account for their man.
As hammb has pointed out, we don't box people out as well as we should.
I don't see how that can be when we play man to man...but it is.

A little tighter focus on that and we would have won that game...

OSUFALCON · Post by **OSUFALCON** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:22 am

Flipper wrote:We play a man to man defense...a physical man to man defense. Most teams play zone. I'm convinced (and have been for awhile) that officials call more fouls on us because they don't see too much man to man anymore and just look like we're fouling people because we're on them so hard.

I think we get called for a lot of boderline stuff as a result.

That's spot on Flipper! Many times it's the long rebounds we miss which come from long shots. The box out has been a problem, but last night it just seem to be one of those right place wrong bounce.

Oh well.

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:38 am

OSUFALCON wrote:
Flipper wrote:We play a man to man defense...a physical man to man defense. Most teams play zone. I'm convinced (and have been for awhile) that officials call more fouls on us because they don't see too much man to man anymore and just look like we're fouling people because we're on them so hard.

I think we get called for a lot of boderline stuff as a result.

That's spot on Flipper! Many times it's the long rebounds we miss which come from long shots. The box out has been a problem, but last night it just seem to be one of those right place wrong bounce.

Oh well.

It's funny you should say that we miss the long rebounds. Samarco and Hamblet, our two starting guards, both have high RPGs for guards. Hamblet really has a knack for stray rebounds and being in the right spot.

Blocking out looks to be the real issue to me. We always yield more offensive boards than we get, and they almost always hurt. Remember the last second home loss to NIU last year?

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:44 am

OSUFALCON wrote:
Flipper wrote:We play a man to man defense...a physical man to man defense. Most teams play zone. I'm convinced (and have been for awhile) that officials call more fouls on us because they don't see too much man to man anymore and just look like we're fouling people because we're on them so hard.

I think we get called for a lot of boderline stuff as a result.

That's spot on Flipper! Many times it's the long rebounds we miss which come from long shots. The box out has been a problem, but last night it just seem to be one of those right place wrong bounce.

Oh well.

From what I saw last night, one reason for UWGB getting so many offensive boards was because every shooter was following his shot to the basket. That is a lost art in today's game, and it was actually kind of nice to see a team do it consistently.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:49 am

Bleeding Orange wrote:
OSUFALCON wrote:
Flipper wrote:We play a man to man defense...a physical man to man defense. Most teams play zone. I'm convinced (and have been for awhile) that officials call more fouls on us because they don't see too much man to man anymore and just look like we're fouling people because we're on them so hard.

I think we get called for a lot of boderline stuff as a result.

That's spot on Flipper! Many times it's the long rebounds we miss which come from long shots. The box out has been a problem, but last night it just seem to be one of those right place wrong bounce.

Oh well.
From what I saw last night, one reason for UWGB getting so many offensive boards was because every shooter was following his shot to the basket. That is a lost art in today's game, and it was actually kind of nice to see a team do it consistently.

According to our fearless leader, and I bow to him in all things hoops, many coaches no longer preach following your shot. Apparentlysome coaches have the philosophy of, "You have rebounders down low to do that, get back on defense"

I don't agree with it, personally, but that's something we were discussing at one of the recent home games.

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:11 pm

When a guard follows his shot, the defensive guard gains the advantage in getting to the other end of the court if his team gets the defensive board, which occurs more often than not. The result can be an easy fast break basket. The offensive guard following his shot gambles that he or his team will get the offense board, and that the defeneders advantage getting down the court is irrelevant. That is a bad gamble.

Guards should follow their mid range or corner shots. Following shots from the top of the key leaves you too exposed to breaking defenders.

HoustonFalcon · Post by **HoustonFalcon** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:21 pm

Players following their shots are definitely something that I wish high school coaches would teach more of, but don't think that the shooter is getting back on defense. If you watch a kid who doesn't follow his shot, nine out of ten times he is watching his shot to see if it goes in. That same kid is still a step or two behind his man going down the floor chasing. A shooter can get his rebound a lot if they would follow it. I think that this team is coming around. It would have been nice to get a win last night, but we did play close, with a considerable foul disadvantage, right or wrong, and being outrebounded, on the road. I'm very interested to see how we do in MAC play. I have been a Dakich supporter, and I'm not going to stop now. I think he deserves a chance to coach these kids that seem as though they are buying into his system.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:34 pm

The shooter is usually the only guy on the court who can follow the ball visually the entire time its in the air. He also has the best view of the ball and it's trajectory.

I'd rather teach my guards to follow their shot and my big men to defend the outlet pass (you see a lot of fast breaks started because the defensive rebounder has no one bothering him when he makes the outlet pass...that's just a function of laziness).