Studrawa is GONE!!!

cbjhack · Post by **cbjhack** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:46 pm

Its about the money$$$$ and experience with a big time program. Remember, we aren't going to get many coaches that have previous head coaching experiences. But we will go those that have been coordinators or long time position coaches that have developed top players (i.e. NFL Draft picks). Perhaps if Brandon has serious head coaching experience or serious exposure at a top flight school we might be better off (and I don't consider Colorado top flight).

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:47 pm

orangeandbrown wrote:I think people might be pleasantly surprised by Coach McCall.

I agree...

There really isn't a comparison to be made with the Beckman/Lovett departure/arrival. Beckman left at a different juncture in the season and was, IIRC, the only coach departing that year. I'm not in Gregg Brandon's head, so I don't know if he felt Bowers or Ward were viable candidates or not. He obviously thought Lovett was a better choice.

So, I'm mystified by the reaction to McCall's promotion. Obviously, Brandon has some idea about what he wants from an OC and he knows Mick McCall very well. If he thinks McCall is his guy, that's entirely his perogative as the head coach.

But then, we had people bitch about the new secondary coach when they didn't know anything more about him than that which was contained on the press release.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:12 pm

Flipper wrote:
orangeandbrown wrote:I think people might be pleasantly surprised by Coach McCall.
I agree...

There really isn't a comparison to be made with the Beckman/Lovett departure/arrival. Beckman left at a different juncture in the season and was, IIRC, the only coach departing that year. I'm not in Gregg Brandon's head, so I don't know if he felt Bowers or Ward were viable candidates or not. He obviously thought Lovett was a better choice.

So, I'm mystified by the reaction to McCall's promotion. Obviously, Brandon has some idea about what he wants from an OC and he knows Mick McCall very well. If he thinks McCall is his guy, that's entirely his perogative as the head coach.

But then, we had people bitch about the new secondary coach when they didn't know anything more about him than that which was contained on the press release.

I don't beleive anyone has questioned McCall's ability or that he will do a good job. I think that the issue here is that we had an attractive opportunity to bring in new blood and passed on it.

As for the DB coach, I would love to see a post that said that he was a bad hire. We did have people elated about the new secondary coach when they didn't know anything more about him than that which was contained on the press release.

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Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:18 pm

We had people getting a tad pissy about him...we always have people getting a tad pissy about virtually every thing here at BGSU. If it isn't the logo, it's the coaches. If it isn't the coaches, it's the students, if it isn't the student's it's the townies. I don't necessarily like slappies and sycophants who applaud everything, but the nattering nabobs of negativism who want to second guess and nitpick everything are even more tiresome.

And who the hell says we need more "new blood" anyway? We're going to add a new WR coach, a new line coach and we added a new secondary coach. That's a lot of new blood right there. I want some old blood now. I want the old blood that coached up Josh in 2002 and 2003 and Omar in 2004 and 2005., I want that guy. So did Gregg Brandon.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:24 pm

I'm excited to see what McCall can do. It can't be any more ridiculous than last year in any event.

I'm interested to see how a QB coach who probably likes the pass-wacky version of our offense a bit more, can reconcile that with the strength of our OL and RB corps. As long as he calls different plays on successive snaps every now and then, I wont be as self-destructive watching games as I was last year.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:13 pm

Flipper wrote:We had people getting a tad pissy about him...we always have people getting a tad pissy about virtually every thing here at BGSU. If it isn't the logo, it's the coaches. If it isn't the coaches, it's the students, if it isn't the student's it's the townies. I don't necessarily like slappies and sycophants who applaud everything, but the nattering nabobs of negativism who want to second guess and nitpick everything are even more tiresome.

And who the hell says we need more "new blood" anyway? We're going to add a new WR coach, a new line coach and we added a new secondary coach. That's a lot of new blood right there. I want some old blood now. I want the old blood that coached up Josh in 2002 and 2003 and Omar in 2004 and 2005., I want that guy. So did Gregg Brandon.

I think the point Flipper is that that guy still would have been here. That old blood still would have been with us. We had an attractive position for some new blood. That is nothing against McCall but there is a reason Stud was the OC and not McCall. I have no idea what it was but there was surely a reason. Our offense struggled last year. We needed a change in that area and this may be just what the doctor ordered. Maybe Brandon wanted McCall to take over the duties this year but could not figure out a way to shift things and be diplomatic. Like others have said. We don't know.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:19 pm

So quit complaining if you don't know....

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:40 pm

Flipper wrote:So quit complaining if you don't know....

ok

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:25 am

My only point on the McCall thing is the same as it always is when it comes to hiring within. We hired an OC within 24 hours of losing our previous one. I would like to see us hire the best possible OC. I find it statistically difficult to believe that within 24 hours we were able to look around at potential candidates and come to the conclusion that our previous QBs coach was the best candidate.

Clearly we instead chose to just hire within and not even bother to look around. I detest that philosophy at my place(s) of employment, and I don't like it any better in coaching...I personally think that continuity is not valuable enough to sacrifice quality, but that's just me.

I know nothing of Mccall's ability to coordinate an offense. I don't think he'll be a dismal failure at the position; hell I know he did a great job with Omar & Harris. I have nothing against this hire in particular, but philosophically I disagree with the notion of hiring from within without even opening your mind to potential outside candidates.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:54 am

Though one thing I wonder, now that I think of the seemingly quick announcement of McCall's hire is how long they knew about Stud's leaving. Certainly that is something that has been in the works, and the proper authorities must have known that he was interviewing at LSU, so that opens plenty of time to prepare scenarios to replace him.

Still a little quick on the McCall hire, but seeing how he's done with Josh & Omar and knowing the ins and outs of BG football for four-plus seasons, I'm excited to see what he can bring to the table.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:43 am

TG1996 wrote:Still a little quick on the McCall hire, but seeing how he's done with Josh & Omar and knowing the ins and outs of BG football for four-plus seasons, I'm excited to see what he can bring to the table.

Me too.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:43 am

FWIW, WMU is in the same boat we are re their OC. He took a job as the WR's coach at Arizona yesterday. This could really hurt the Broncos because he was their go to guy in Florida. They've hit that state almost as hard as we have this year.

It'll be interesting to see who Brandon hires to fill the vacanicies. The OL has been a strength of ours for years and with all the young talent coming in at WR, making the right hire there is critical.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:17 pm

TG1996 wrote:Though one thing I wonder, now that I think of the seemingly quick announcement of McCall's hire is how long they knew about Stud's leaving. Certainly that is something that has been in the works, and the proper authorities must have known that he was interviewing at LSU, so that opens plenty of time to prepare scenarios to replace him.

Still a little quick on the McCall hire, but seeing how he's done with Josh & Omar and knowing the ins and outs of BG football for four-plus seasons, I'm excited to see what he can bring to the table.

I agree that they likely knew Stud was leaving for awhile. What if the playcalling was so bad this year that they told Stud he would be releaved of his duties. But as a service he said try to find another positon now because we got the guy we want to man the position on staff. We want you here stud but if you want to move along we understand with an impending demotion. Stud found another opportunity. Mccall may have been promised this job when he was interviewing for that HC job awhile back. We dont know the innerworkings. i think this hire is a good one and that Stud had to take this opportunity. However i agree with HammB in that on the face of things it does not appear we did our due diligence in seeking other potential guys.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:18 am

Another factor I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that LSU just brought in Gary Crowton from Oregon as their offensive coordinator. After getting run out of BYU, he switched his scheme to the Meyer/Brandon/Mullen spread option offense at Eugene. Who knows that system better than Coach Stud?

One name to think about for offensive line coach is Matt Campbell, a former offensive line GA who was well regarded within the program and currently on the staff of D-III powerhouse Mount Union.

Another would be Kevin Wright, the highly successful former head coach of Warren Central High who runs a similar-style offense. He'd be great for the WR's as well.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:40 am

orangeandbrown wrote:
TG1996 wrote:Still a little quick on the McCall hire, but seeing how he's done with Josh & Omar and knowing the ins and outs of BG football for four-plus seasons, I'm excited to see what he can bring to the table.
Me too.

Me three. I'm all open to see what Coach McCall can do.