BG Wins! If they come out of the locker room????

[UBfan]

I watched on the webcast...no one from UB left the floor. It was just silly and stupid that Dakich ran the team off the floor like that, as if they were lucky to escape or something. I'm not even sure if the players/coaches shook hands before they ran off (I assume not). Worst case scenario was that they'd have to inbound the ball, maybe shoot a few FT's. I mean come on, what would possess you to run off the floor like that? It's not like you were escaping out of Duke or something with a win, with the entire crowd/students screaming at you! It's Buffalo! the 2 worst teams in the division! please.

[Flipper]

Kids...this is opretty simmple. Criticize the the team, the officials, the coaches, the wetaher. Personal attacks and attempts to tell others how to be a fan, will be editied or deleted.

[Flipper]

I watched on the webcast...no one from UB left the floor. It was just silly and stupid that Dakich ran the team off the floor like that, as if they were lucky to escape or something. I'm not even sure if the players/coaches shook hands before they ran off (I assume not). Worst case scenario was that they'd have to inbound the ball, maybe shoot a few FT's. I mean come on, what would possess you to run off the floor like that? It's not like you were escaping out of Duke or something with a win, with the entire crowd/students screaming at you! It's Buffalo! the 2 worst teams in the division! please.

Didn't see it...but how about this scenario. Dan asks a ref "is it over" and the ref says "yes". Dan tries his previously successful rush them off ploy
thinking that sticking around can only lead to trouble. The officials decide they don't like being shown up by a guy with a knack for ripping officials before during and after the game, so they give him and his team no play and T them up because they feel like proving a point.

[OSUFALCON]

Kids...this is opretty simmple. Criticize the the team, the officials, the coaches, the wetaher. Personal attacks and attempts to tell others how to be a fan, will be editied or deleted.

What you say above ???? I thought I had trouble with my english!

Nate Miller has a triple double tonight! Now I'll say good night, had to come back after seeing Nate's stats! Only 10 turnovers tonight!

[TG1996]

I watched on the webcast...no one from UB left the floor. It was just silly and stupid that Dakich ran the team off the floor like that, as if they were lucky to escape or something. I'm not even sure if the players/coaches shook hands before they ran off (I assume not). Worst case scenario was that they'd have to inbound the ball, maybe shoot a few FT's. I mean come on, what would possess you to run off the floor like that? It's not like you were escaping out of Duke or something with a win, with the entire crowd/students screaming at you! It's Buffalo! the 2 worst teams in the division! please.

This is the part that confuses me. We were in a position to win if we just grab the ball, roll it inbounds and the horn goes. It's not like our Virginia Tech win where we tried to get on the bus before they could review it. But it sounds like (from Dakich's postgame, and has been mentioned here), they didn't exactly sprint from the floor before the horn finished echoing... they started to walk off, an official told them it was over, so they ran off (with the ref right next to them). Why there was no handshake, supposedly (though the postgame interview leads me to believe that Dakich and Witherspoon at least met briefly), I don't know.

In the end, I don't know what to think about making the call for a T, but what I do know is that right or wrong, the outcome shouldn't overshadow a pretty solid performance start to finish by BG, something we haven't seen in awhile. Not to mention some BiG performances by guys that will be back next year. Triple double for Miller (an OT-aided 20-10-10), 24 for Hamblet, and double figures out of Marschall and Clements.

[CrazyFan]

Kids...this is opretty simmple. Criticize the the team, the officials, the coaches, the wetaher. Personal attacks and attempts to tell others how to be a fan, will be editied or deleted.

Thanks for deleting me Flip! Freedom of speech eh.....Hammb deserves to be criticized with a lot of the other blind posters on this board. We got screwed tonight and everyone's thinking of EVERY excuse for this loss. There's no excuse for this one EXCEPT for the referee's.

[Flipper]

You can disagree with hammb''s opinions and even ask him questions about whatever inconsistencies you may find in his opinions.

You can do that with anyone here for all I care

Avoid personall attacks against people who disagree with you. I'm not going to watch you turn this into a nursery school because you're mad that not eveyone agrees with you or "cares enough".

Ok?

[hammb]

Kids...this is opretty simmple. Criticize the the team, the officials, the coaches, the wetaher. Personal attacks and attempts to tell others how to be a fan, will be editied or deleted.

Thanks for deleting me Flip! Freedom of speech eh.....Hammb deserves to be criticized with a lot of the other blind posters on this board. We got screwed tonight and everyone's thinking of EVERY excuse for this loss. There's no excuse for this one EXCEPT for the referee's.

You can criticize me if you want, I can take it. I don't think I apologized for the officials. I think they screwed up. I just don't feel that our team/staff was without fault. I don't like it when officials change games at the end any more than anyone else does. It was a call that probably shouldn't have been made.

Still I think it could've been avoided if we had stuck around an extra few seconds rather than run to the shower.

The refs screwed up. We screwed up. There is plenty of blame to go around. It sucks. It's an exclamation point on a crappy year.

[orangeandbrown]

Grant go ahead and ban me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GD, I listen to people rip DD and this program all year and something like this happens and someone says cool it. GIVE ME A BREAK! Does anyone give a SH%$ about anything that pertains to anything? I would save 10-15 minutes out of my life each day without this site! Thanks!

Come on, man. Grant doesn't need to put up with this stuff. Don't ruin this board for those of us that enjoy it and certainly don't ruin it for the creator or mods. We're all a little fired up right now, but let's show some respect for this forum.

Why should we show respect for the ones that are trying to defend this call?? I understand that a bunch of idiots want to see DD gone, but we got royaly screwed!! Maybe defend BG. If not for DD, maybe defend BGSU and the players and quit thinkin of every bu**s**t excuse to defend the bu**s**t MAC refs. I can't wait to unload on a couple of those idiots on BG's next home game.

I'll be at the next home game, feel free to come discuss it with me. Looking at your reactions here I'm not sure you're capable of discussing it rationally, but after some time to cool off I'll give you the opportunity. I'll be seated in the student section...first row of steps north of center court, about 3-4 rows from the top.


My take on this is quite simple.

The officials screwed up by saying the game was over knowing that it could not possibly be over.
Dan screwed up by not knowing the game could not possibly be over; he gets some leeway given the official told him it was over, but knowing the rules it could not possibly be over.

Why run to the lockerroom immediately and jump in the shower when there is still a question? Todd said an assistant went back to the lockerroom to fetch the team. Could this assistant not have gone back earlier and told them to not jump in the shower they were reviewing the call? It did not take long for them to decide to review the call.

Yes, Dan was given some misinformation, but he ran to the lockerroom for a reason. The way the call on the radio sounded we went out of our way to get out of there ASAP, not necessarily following standard post game practice.

I think both the refs & the coaching staff screwed up here. No big deal, it happens.

Then comes the call. I think this call is a 50/50 shot, maybe even less than that. If you're following the book to the letter, it's probably the right call, but it's not in the spirit of the rules. The players should decide the game.


I don't think the blame belongs on any one person or group of people in particular. The officials clearly screwed up. I also believe our coaching staff screwed up by allowing the players to leave so quickly; it didn't take the officials long before they started reviewing to see if they were going to put time back on the clock...our assistants that were still on the court should've told the HC/Team that it was possible time would be added. I also think that if the tables were reversed everyone of us would be calling for a delay of game technical.

I think this is likely a case of an official wanting to assert himself for some reason. I wouldn't make the call if I were an official, but I do think that if you follow the rules to the letter it was likely the right call. I'm still surprised they made the call though...maybe they'll get themselves on sportscenter?

I can't imagine that you can think was an unreasonable thing to say. Time to go to bed.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

What's the difference? The team played better than they have been. The win/loss matters exactly ZERO in the scheme of the season. The only way this team does anything that matters to anybody, is to win the MAC tourney. The only way to do that is to play a lot better than they have been. Tonight was a step in that direction. I say nice game.

I don't get why some of you guys are pulling your hair out over a W/L for a team that's been on life support for a month. It was a crappy situation and we came out on the short end. BFD. If this were the semis of the MAC tourney, I'd be right in line with you pitchfork in hand. It was a game between the two worst teams in the division....in Buffalo. It's not a reason to attack your fellow Falcons, fire the coach, burn down Chryst's house, or anything else that doesn't involve a sigh, a shot of whiskey, and a good night's sleep.

I don't see the need to go postal on fellow BG fans. Take her easy.

[Globetrotter]

The refs should have gotten together and said this..."We have to let BG have the time to get back on the court because one of us told them the game was over. Let's give them time to get out of the showers, dress, and get back out here and finish the game. It was our fault we told them the game was over." That's how it should have been handled...period.

Exactly right. And if we refused then T us up.

This may end up being a Victory for us.

[Bleeding Orange]

What's the difference? The team played better than they have been. The win/loss matters exactly ZERO in the scheme of the season. The only way this team does anything that matters to anybody, is to win the MAC tourney. The only way to do that is to play a lot better than they have been. Tonight was a step in that direction. I say nice game.

I don't get why some of you guys are pulling your hair out over a W/L for a team that's been on life support for a month. It was a crappy situation and we came out on the short end. BFD. If this were the semis of the MAC tourney, I'd be right in line with you pitchfork in hand. It was a game between the two worst teams in the division....in Buffalo. It's not a reason to attack your fellow Falcons, fire the coach, burn down Chryst's house, or anything else that doesn't involve a sigh, a shot of whiskey, and a good night's sleep.

I don't see the need to go postal on fellow BG fans. Take her easy.

I agree with the above in it's glorious entirety.

I do wish to account for my abrupt and brazen departure from the chat room tonight. In my defense, though, it is really, really difficult to love BGSU as I do, to live and die with every game, and witness people having such knee-jerk, "blame the coach" attitudes as were on display tonight. It makes a painful situation that much worse, and that just totally sucks. I would appologize for my reaction, only, it was a totally honest protrayal of how I truly feel. I don't care what anyone sees as the future of Falcon men's basketball - don't EVER take joy in OUR team losing. EVER.

That being said, I'm sure that people will inevitably say that they weren't taking joy in the loss, but from my perspective, it would be damned near impossible to tell the difference.

[CrazyFan]

What's the difference? The team played better than they have been. The win/loss matters exactly ZERO in the scheme of the season. The only way this team does anything that matters to anybody, is to win the MAC tourney. The only way to do that is to play a lot better than they have been. Tonight was a step in that direction. I say nice game.

I don't get why some of you guys are pulling your hair out over a W/L for a team that's been on life support for a month. It was a crappy situation and we came out on the short end. BFD. If this were the semis of the MAC tourney, I'd be right in line with you pitchfork in hand. It was a game between the two worst teams in the division....in Buffalo. It's not a reason to attack your fellow Falcons, fire the coach, burn down Chryst's house, or anything else that doesn't involve a sigh, a shot of whiskey, and a good night's sleep.

I don't see the need to go postal on fellow BG fans. Take her easy.

There COULD be a huge difference. We play OU or Western first round were done. But, if we get Miami per se, we have a great shot of winning that game and moving onto the next round where who knows what could happen. It's a difference between and 10th, 11th and 12th seed. If were going to do ANYTHING this season it lies in the MAC Tourney and that is what I'm looking at now. We got screwed out of a seed tonight. Maybe good; most likely bad!!

[Warthog]

exactly...shot clock violation means a dead ball. doesn't matter about any rebounds after the fact, the clock stops. and like I said before, its impossible for a game to end on a shot clock violation!

Let me ask this question, How long does it take for the ball to leave the shooter's hand to get to the point where the referee determines that it can't hit the rim and it is a shot clock violation? As I understand it, there was a second difference between the shot and game clock (exactly one second? 1.2? 0.6?) The shot has to leave the player's hand before the shot clock expires. So if the shot was taken with 1.2 seconds left, the violation does not occur until it is deemed that the ball will not hit the rim. Anybody know how long it takes for a basketball to travel 15 feet in the air during a shot? Isn't it possible for the game clock to expire before the violation is incurred?

Related to my above point, but slightly different is the whole issue of reviewing this type play and adding time to the clock. You play the entire rest of the game with the clock being stopped by a human being at the time they hear a whistle. The brain and hand cannot possibly function fast enough to stop the clock simultaneously with the sound of the whistle. So you play the rest of the game under these conditions and probably lose at least 10 to 15 seconds, probably more, I'm not a scientist, throughout the game. But at these end of game situations, it is suddenly necessary to use video to determine exactly when the clock should stop. The loss of tenths of seconds at every whistle is part of the game. Why change the rules and start using video for the final few seconds?

[Flipper]

Excellent points.....

Curious to know how long the Falcons were off the court before being told the game wasn't over and how much time were they given to come backont the floor before being given the T