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I agree with J4H's assessment and said as much in the latter stages of the chat. It's unfortunate that, regardless of who is/was at fault leading up to the T, that as solid a performance as I believe we've seen this year for 60 minutes (59:59.4, maybe? :wink: ) gets overshadowed. Some guys that we're going to need next year had some awfully impressive nights. Hamblet and Miller stand out, and Marschall and Clements contributed a bunch too.

I also see CrazyFan's point now, and big time. It's all about matching up now, and it's more favorable with some teams than others. Then again, Miami(OH) could get a little streak going and a loss tonight could help us, if that's the scenario you're laying down. I still lean more toward J4H's side, but the seeding argument certainly has merit.

While I've got the wheels spinning... I thought a lot about what Warthog mentioned on the drive home tonight. One of my biggest pet peeves is using video review to fix the human element of clock functions. Not that it isn't necessary at times, but that they break it down by tenths of a second with slo-mo. If a clock keeps running after a basket, they review and stop the clock at the point the ball first enters the basket part of the cylinder. There should be some reaction time involved there, too. Have the official watch the play with a "stop" button. Play happens, press the button when you would have blown a whistle, or counted the basket as "complete".

I didn't see or hear tonight's game until it was too late to know the particulars aside from those discussed earlier about the shot/game clocks, but it seems totally feasible that inside .6 seconds, both clocks could have run out without getting out the super slo-mo. If the clock stops regardless on a shot clock violation, shouldn't the game clock be set to stop along with the shot clock hitting zero? Maybe not all scoreboards are built with that compatibility, but if it's the rule, maybe they should be. Or put tenths up with the shot clock. It's rare enough that it probably won't make it as a rule, but it could also come up in a lot bigger situation than this.

On a similar note, and this pins it a bit more on the officials, did they take the game situation into account when making that decision? A game this past weekend I was watching was decided going to the final seconds, but a guy got fouled, apparently before the horn, going in for a final layup. Ref blew the foul, but when the horn went, waved the game over. Seems like a very similar situation, except that this game was in reach. While a pair of free throws in an eight (or whatever) point game make no difference as compared to a steal and toss at the basket (pretty feasible with the ball under UB's basket on the inbounds if BG wasn't careful), for the sake of consistency, shouldn't everything be played out? It seems like the officials took an awful lot of the game in their hands in the closing seconds.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, BG may not have been totally free of blame.

I'll still look at some of the positives. Nate Miller is/will be a stud.
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TG1996 wrote:I agree with J4H's assessment and said as much in the latter stages of the chat. It's unfortunate that, regardless of who is/was at fault leading up to the T, that as solid a performance as I believe we've seen this year for 60 minutes (59:59.4, maybe? :wink: ) gets overshadowed. Some guys that we're going to need next year had some awfully impressive nights. Hamblet and Miller stand out, and Marschall and Clements contributed a bunch too.

I also see CrazyFan's point now, and big time. It's all about matching up now, and it's more favorable with some teams than others. Then again, Miami(OH) could get a little streak going and a loss tonight could help us, if that's the scenario you're laying down. I still lean more toward J4H's side, but the seeding argument certainly has merit.

While I've got the wheels spinning... I thought a lot about what Warthog mentioned on the drive home tonight. One of my biggest pet peeves is using video review to fix the human element of clock functions. Not that it isn't necessary at times, but that they break it down by tenths of a second with slo-mo. If a clock keeps running after a basket, they review and stop the clock at the point the ball first enters the basket part of the cylinder. There should be some reaction time involved there, too. Have the official watch the play with a "stop" button. Play happens, press the button when you would have blown a whistle, or counted the basket as "complete".

I didn't see or hear tonight's game until it was too late to know the particulars aside from those discussed earlier about the shot/game clocks, but it seems totally feasible that inside .6 seconds, both clocks could have run out without getting out the super slo-mo. If the clock stops regardless on a shot clock violation, shouldn't the game clock be set to stop along with the shot clock hitting zero? Maybe not all scoreboards are built with that compatibility, but if it's the rule, maybe they should be. Or put tenths up with the shot clock. It's rare enough that it probably won't make it as a rule, but it could also come up in a lot bigger situation than this.

On a similar note, and this pins it a bit more on the officials, did they take the game situation into account when making that decision? A game this past weekend I was watching was decided going to the final seconds, but a guy got fouled, apparently before the horn, going in for a final layup. Ref blew the foul, but when the horn went, waved the game over. Seems like a very similar situation, except that this game was in reach. While a pair of free throws in an eight (or whatever) point game make no difference as compared to a steal and toss at the basket (pretty feasible with the ball under UB's basket on the inbounds if BG wasn't careful), for the sake of consistency, shouldn't everything be played out? It seems like the officials took an awful lot of the game in their hands in the closing seconds.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, BG may not have been totally free of blame.

I'll still look at some of the positives. Nate Miller is/will be a stud.
I'm not sure you can do a catch and shoot in .6 second. Not sure of the minimum time required but I think there is one. The only scenario I could think up would be a five second call that would give UB the ball under their hoop and a lob to Idbihi or somebody for a layin or BG foul at the hoop. That or a T on BG for not coming out of the locker room timely.
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TG1996 wrote:I thought a lot about what Warthog mentioned on the drive home tonight.
Sorry Tony, but I wasn't talking with you while you were driving home last night. :wink:
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Jacobs4Heisman wrote:What's the difference? The team played better than they have been. The win/loss matters exactly ZERO in the scheme of the season. The only way this team does anything that matters to anybody, is to win the MAC tourney. The only way to do that is to play a lot better than they have been. Tonight was a step in that direction. I say nice game.

I don't get why some of you guys are pulling your hair out over a W/L for a team that's been on life support for a month. It was a crappy situation and we came out on the short end. BFD. If this were the semis of the MAC tourney, I'd be right in line with you pitchfork in hand. It was a game between the two worst teams in the division....in Buffalo. It's not a reason to attack your fellow Falcons, fire the coach, burn down Chryst's house, or anything else that doesn't involve a sigh, a shot of whiskey, and a good night's sleep.

I don't see the need to go postal on fellow BG fans. Take her easy.
There COULD be a huge difference. We play OU or Western first round were done. But, if we get Miami per se, we have a great shot of winning that game and moving onto the next round where who knows what could happen. It's a difference between and 10th, 11th and 12th seed. If were going to do ANYTHING this season it lies in the MAC Tourney and that is what I'm looking at now. We got screwed out of a seed tonight. Maybe good; most likely bad!!
Irrelevant. If we're not playing at a level that allows us to beat any first round opponent from the dregs of the standings that we get matched up with, how can we hope to beat Akron or Toledo?

Nothing matters but us playing a lot better. Last night, we played a little better. Having lost about 99 of the last 100 MAC games, I'm not really concerned with another tally in the 'L' column. I put as at around 1-2% to make a run in the tourney and win it. That's our only hope.
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I tend to agree with J4H (obviously, this isn't the football forum :-) ). W/L's are secondary to showing some life. The team showed some life last night. If anything, this debacle can give them something to rally around.

Let's see if they can pull together, build on the effort and give it a run
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after the shot clock violation and the T, didn't BG still have a chance to win in OT? I know they were demoralized or whatever, but if they were truly the better team last night...

Reminds me of the Bill Buckner play. Nobody seems to remember that there was a game 7 after that, and the better team won.

Perhaps a more fair comparison would be the OSU-Miami PI call in Fiesta Bowl overtime 2003. Canes fans still cry about this call, yet they had the ball at the two yardline in the 2nd OT, took four cracks and lost the NC to OSU.

In sports, all you can worry about is what you can control. We couldn't control the refs actions at the end of the game, but we could control how we acted after the game. The team didn't have to run right off the court or stay in the locker room so long, and they could have played better in OT.

As for seeding in the MAC tournament, it just doesn't matter that much. In order to win a tournament, you have to be prepared to beat whomever is in front of you. If you are worried about who you play in the early rounds, you're in trouble, because the teams (most likely) are just going to get tougher.

Now, I know I committed some cardinal sins here. I tried to make the Falcons accountable for a loss and in a way supported OSU...so, go ahead and hammer me, if you like.
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fulch wrote:Now, I know I committed some cardinal sins here. I tried to make the Falcons accountable for a loss and in a way supported OSU...so, go ahead and hammer me, if you like.
Actually, everything up until this little comment was fine. :roll:

You made a good point. BG still had a brand new 5-minute "game" they could have won and didn't. Though in last night's scenario and the others your mentioned, momentum does a ridiculous 180 and sometimes that's what's impossible to overcome. If UB was that much the "better team", wouldn't they have won in regulation?
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TG1996 wrote:I thought a lot about what Warthog mentioned on the drive home tonight.
Sorry Tony, but I wasn't talking with you while you were driving home last night. :wink:
Well who the hell was it, then!??! :lol:
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What did Dakich say about the fans after the FB team beat Buffalo in OT by 8 points....."_____ them, a win is a win"?

And now that the opposite happened, should one say the opposite to him?
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not sure where I said Buffalo was that much better of a team. My post implied that they were better, but I didn't mean to imply they were "that much better". And do overtime wins matter less in the standings?

And surely momentum matters, but good teams can overcome momentum and get it back in their favor. I just don't see the Falcons as this type of team.

The problem with this thread is that no one is giving any credit to Buffalo. Idibi still had to step up and hit those two pressure packed free throws. Then, they outscored us something like 21-13 in OT.
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OK, so let me see if I have the facts straight. It was a shot clock violation on Buffalo. They decide that .6 seconds should be put back on the clock, after they tell coach that the game is over. With .6 seconds, and the team with the lead having the ball, there is no way that Buffalo can get the ball back and get a shot up. It would have to be a catch and shoot with .6 left. BUT, BG had the ball, so Buffalo would have to foul BG, or if the stole it, there is no way they could get a catch and shoot from the point where they would get the steal. The official tells coach that the game is over. As a coach, I have no problem getting the kids off of the floor as quickly as possible, on the road, a good close win, and the official saying that the game is over. There is not one way that Buffalo could have won that game with these situations. This is all about OVER OFFICIATION. They wanted to have their stamp on the game, and this was a way to do it. There is no one to blame but the officials. Plain and simple. If you want to put the blame on coach, your wrong. An official tells him the game is over, there is no game scenario that they could lose, and you get a close win on the road. It's one more reason that I don't like very many officials.
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HoustonFalcon wrote:It would have to be a catch and shoot with .6 left. BUT, BG had the ball, so Buffalo would have to foul BG, or if the stole it, there is no way they could get a catch and shoot from the point where they would get the steal.
This is what I figured at first, but remember that the ball would be inbounded under UB's basket. It would have to be a HORRIBLE pass, but catching and shooting is still somewhat feasible.

And my apologies, fulch, if I misinterpreted your meaning through your post. I do see what you're saying. Though I also think that for 60 minutes, BG was the better team, and they lost. That kind of a swing, with a group of 20 year old kids thinking "we got screwed" for five minutes is going to lead to unpleasant results.

Of course, we could nitpick and turn this on Dakich for not having the ability to have his team overcome adversity, but that would be silly. I don't think John Wooden could have gotten a group of kids to come together after that. Especially without socks. :wink:
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HoustonFalcon wrote: There is not one way that Buffalo could have won that game with these situations.
As I stated in a previous post the most likely scenario is a five second call on the inbounds that returns the ball to Buffalo under their basket. You are a coach, yes? Wouldn't you insist on the opportunity to have that happen? Officials are in a tough spot there-UB has a legitimate , if far-fetched opportunity and (perhaps due to their mistake) the other team left the floor. The refs had no choice but to play out the last .6 as I see it, but what transpired to get to the point of the T-well, no one knows the whole story and they never will.
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h2oville rocket wrote:As I stated in a previous post the most likely scenario is a five second call on the inbounds that returns the ball to Buffalo under their basket.
Which is another interesting parallel situation.

Say BG is in a timeout instead of the lockerroom. Staying in the huddle after the horns and whistles and warnings from officials, do they call a T? No, they put the ball on the baseline and start their five second call. If BG doesn't get there, it's a turnover. Of course then it would be interesting to see how UB ran an unguarded inbounds play to catch and shoot.
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The team left the court because a ref near the bench said out loud "Game's over" so the team left and went into the locker room. If the refs called the game over and then realized that THEY screwed up, orur team should have been given a little bit of leeway. But NO. Lefeld played OT without socks for crying out loud! The guys were starting their showers! But because the REFS screwed up, we ended up losing the game. Shouldn't call the game over and then overturn it because it makes you look like a douchebag.

We got screwed here, guys. Nothing else to say then that, but I know everyone is always eager to point a finger at Dakich and the team and everyone else involved when something goes wrong. It's pretty ridiculous.
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