BG Wins! If they come out of the locker room????

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:12 pm

I think you do just what Warthog said -- put everybody around half court, and just throw the ball high in the air. That way, there's no chance it goes out of bounds untouched, and there's equally no chance of the opponent being able to get off any kind of reasonable shot.

If they guard the inbounds passer with a big guy, just chuck it at his belly.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:47 pm

Dayons_Den wrote:Wow, rolling the ball. In all seriousness, that is something I really have never thought of, but it would be a seemingly "good" strategy. . .

Actually, that's the first thing I thought of. Or even run a player close to the ball and drop it off the defender's leg.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:50 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:If they guard the inbounds passer with a big guy, just chuck it at his belly.

And get T'd for unsportsmanlike conduct??

I often wondered about being in a situation like UB was in, what kind of strategy starting a fight and hoping to pull an extra technical out of it and tie it with FT's that way. In that regard, DD helped keep the peace, I'd say.

Oh, and maybe I'm finally paying attention, but your av....awesome.

DICK · Post by **DICK** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:19 pm

Miami fan here. I found this an absolutely riveting thread. I have no dog in this fight, but I do have a couple of observations here. When I used to coach high school basketball, the procedure for a Coach who wanted to question a "correctible error" was to hit the buzzer at the next deadball ( after that the error could not be corrected) or after the game if it was after the final buzzer. So I think those complaining about Reggie Witherspoon are probably off base, he was just alert and doing his job.

I think both the officials and Coach D are too blame for the way the game ended. Coach D definitely knew the game should not have ended with the shotclock violation. Every account has stated the shot clock was running one second ahead of the game clock, and any coach would be aware of that, and Coach D is a very sharp coach. Thus when the ref told him the game was over and he ran the team back into the locker room, he knew he was trying to get away with something. The classy thing, indeed the expected thing would have been for the BG players to shake hands with the UB players.... Coach D knew there was time remaining; he tried to pull a "fast one". The officials also failed miserably. First, they should have been aware of the clock situation, indeed, it is their job to check on things like this. I can only think that maybe they wanted to take their chance to stick it to Coach D. I have seen BG play about 20 times under Coach D, and every single time he has climbed all over the refs and given them a hard time. The move of running his team back to the lockerroom could have ticked them off, too. I just think normally they would have allowed the BG team a reasonable amount of time to get back on the floor, but the way he ran them off the court at the end of the game combined with his usual harasssing of the refs may have led to the T. Refs should be above this sort of thing, but they often are not.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:33 pm

DICK wrote: I think both the officials and Coach D are too blame for the way the game ended. Coach D definitely knew the game should not have ended with the shotclock violation. Every account has stated the shot clock was running one second ahead of the game clock,

DICK, here is the scenario I raised earlier:

"Let me ask this question, How long does it take for the ball to leave the shooter's hand to get to the point where the referee determines that it can't hit the rim and it is a shot clock violation? As I understand it, there was a second difference between the shot and game clock (exactly one second? 1.2? 0.6?) The shot has to leave the player's hand before the shot clock expires. So if the shot was taken with 1.2 seconds left, the violation does not occur until it is deemed that the ball will not hit the rim. Anybody know how long it takes for a basketball to travel 15 feet in the air during a shot? Isn't it possible for the game clock to expire before the violation is incurred? "

So why can't the game end before the shot clock violation actual occurs?

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:37 pm

It doesn't matter what DD thought if the ref, in fact, told him the game was over. At that point, I remove all blame from Dakich.

I'm not sure why people aren't taking the weather more into account when wondering why the team rushed out of there and got right in the shower. A 5 hour bus ride from Buffalo in a blizzard is nothing to sneeze at. I'd have been hurrying my guys if I were the coach and the ref told me it was over. Seems to me everyone is writing that off as an excuse for some slimy act by Dakich. I think it's a perfectly valid explanation for why they were in a hurry.

If the ref said the words "game over" to Dakich and his players, and I doubt Dan would lie about this given his history of brutal honesty, I place ZERO blame on Dakich.

Oh, and thanks, TG

BGGrad01 · Post by **BGGrad01** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:24 am

Warthog wrote:
DICK wrote: I think both the officials and Coach D are too blame for the way the game ended. Coach D definitely knew the game should not have ended with the shotclock violation. Every account has stated the shot clock was running one second ahead of the game clock,
DICK, here is the scenario I raised earlier:

"Let me ask this question, How long does it take for the ball to leave the shooter's hand to get to the point where the referee determines that it can't hit the rim and it is a shot clock violation? As I understand it, there was a second difference between the shot and game clock (exactly one second? 1.2? 0.6?) The shot has to leave the player's hand before the shot clock expires. So if the shot was taken with 1.2 seconds left, the violation does not occur until it is deemed that the ball will not hit the rim. Anybody know how long it takes for a basketball to travel 15 feet in the air during a shot? Isn't it possible for the game clock to expire before the violation is incurred? "

So why can't the game end before the shot clock violation actual occurs?

WH - I think it is possible for the game to end on a shot clock violation. I think it would just depend on when the ball was determined to not hit the rim. In the case of a high-arching airball, this would be a possible scenario. As for how this applies to Tuesday night, I was watching on the UB website and it clearly did not hit the rim with around 1.5 seconds left. The play should have been dead at that point or a couple tenths later when the shot clock expired and the ball had not been rebounded cleanly by BG. In the end, the T killed us, but it also hurt only having .6 on the clock after the free throws. We ended up heaving a 75-footer for the win. I thought there was a bigger difference between the game and shot than .6. .

bobio · Post by **bobio** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:55 am

DD should be fired for his actions and postgame comments. Oh wait, he will be!

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:20 am

bobio wrote:DD should be fired for his actions and postgame comments. Oh wait, he will be!

Dakich isn't going to get fired. I'll bet you a bajillion dollars.

h2oville rocket · Post by **h2oville rocket** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:40 am

Jacobs4Heisman wrote: If they guard the inbounds passer with a big guy, just chuck it at his belly.

Toledo v Akron: 2.3 seconds left and Akron has ball in bounds with no timeouts. Dials can't get ball in and is nearly at the five second count. He alertly throws the ball off of Justin Ingram's leg and the ball bounces out of bounds. Akron ball inbounds again. Clock reads 1.7 seconds. Took .6 seconds to roll out. I thought of this the minute I read the first report of the BG situation.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:02 am

bobio wrote:DD should be fired for his actions and postgame comments. Oh wait, he will be!

Actually, aggressively sticking up for his team and refusing to take such a blatant screw-job lying down is the best thing going for him in my mind and the minds of many right now.

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:09 am

JoeFalcon wrote:
bobio wrote:DD should be fired for his actions and postgame comments. Oh wait, he will be!
Actually, aggressively sticking up for his team and refusing to take such a blatant screw-job lying down is the best thing going for him in my mind and the minds of many right now.

I agree with you Joe. It's disappointing that DD isn't officially pursuing this issue with the MAC office.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:41 am

TG1996 wrote:
Dayons_Den wrote:Wow, rolling the ball. In all seriousness, that is something I really have never thought of, but it would be a seemingly "good" strategy. . .
Actually, that's the first thing I thought of. Or even run a player close to the ball and drop it off the defender's leg.

Throw it as hard as you can at a defender not looking.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:15 pm

BleedOrange wrote:
JoeFalcon wrote:
bobio wrote:DD should be fired for his actions and postgame comments. Oh wait, he will be!
Actually, aggressively sticking up for his team and refusing to take such a blatant screw-job lying down is the best thing going for him in my mind and the minds of many right now.
I agree with you Joe. It's disappointing that DD isn't officially pursuing this issue with the MAC office.

I disagree. DD said his piece. He knows that you're not going to get anything changed at this point. The best you can hope for is a formal letter of apology saying the refs screwed up.

DD is a smart enough coach to realize things won't be changed and it's time to forget that one and start working on getting a win this weekend. No matter what happened in the last game you either celebrate or mourn on the busride home. After that it's time to start working on your next game. That is, I'm sure, what Dan & Staff are doing, and it is what they SHOULD be doing. It does no good to hold press conferences or write letters about how you feel you got screwed. It won't change the result, and only distracts you from your next game.

BGSUSynchroSk8r2006 · Post by **BGSUSynchroSk8r2006** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:40 pm

JoeFalcon wrote:
bobio wrote:DD should be fired for his actions and postgame comments. Oh wait, he will be!
Actually, aggressively sticking up for his team and refusing to take such a blatant screw-job lying down is the best thing going for him in my mind and the minds of many right now.

Agreed 500%. He needed to stick up for his players because we got royally hosed at that game. It says enough that they are reviewing it because it sends a crystal clear message to MAC officials that they can't always got away with this egotistical, power-tripping bull$hit. Right now, Dakich is doing what he needs to be doing, which is getting the guys ready for their next game. No way he's getting canned for this; if anything, it probably earned him a bit more respect from the school, fans, and community, which says a lot, since everyone had pretty much disowned Dakich a long time ago..

*Please stop with the personal attacks on bobio...Luv, Flipper*