FYI Hamblet VS Floyd

kollege stewdent · Post by **kollege stewdent** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:03 pm

Hamblet Floyd
884 Min 867 Min
304 Points 291 points
41% FG 41%FG
41% 3PT 34% 3PT
75% FT 71% FT
137 Rebounds 60 Rebounds
119 Assists 97 Assists
91 turnovers 69 turnovers
91 steals 31 steals

WINNER.....HAMBLET

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:15 pm

You're right, but one doesn't need any numbers to make this decision if one has seen both play. Floyd was playing in the absolute best possible system for his limited skill set, and he still didn't look like half the basketball player Hamblet does.

Not nearly as close as the numbers would indicate.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:24 pm

The glaring thing when I look at these numbers is that Floyd was lousy as an assist:to man, and Hamblet is even worse. What this tells me, quite simply, is that NEITHER is a PG, and that's what I gather from watching both of them play.

Both of these guys are better served as off guards. Hamblet's play of late really looks like he could be the leading scorer for a team, especially if he's not asked to be the director of the offense. Bring in a real PG and let him play off the ball.

I know in limited opportunities last year Floyd looked much better when he wasn't asked to direct the offense.

The biggest difference to me is Hamblet is light years better than Floyd in terms of defense. He is still not quick enough laterally to really shut down the premier PGs in the MAC, but his long arms make him very good at tipping passes and creating breaks off of turnovers. He is also a better rebounder, FWIW at the guard spot.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:29 pm

Hamblet is also second on the team in Blocks. Floyd didn't have one.

Defense is the major difference, since Floyd couldn't guard my keyboard, but Hamblet beats him everywhere else too, except for A/TO ratio.

You're right about neither being a PG, and we haven't had a legit PG since BP left. We won't win a championship until we get one.

commonsense · Post by **commonsense** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:13 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Hamblet is also second on the team in Blocks. Floyd didn't have one.

Defense is the major difference, since Floyd couldn't guard my keyboard, but Hamblet beats him everywhere else too, except for A/TO ratio.

You're right about neither being a PG, and we haven't had a legit PG since BP left. We won't win a championship until we get one.

Something to think about. Not an argument, just think. Match Pardon's numbers from his best season at BG (2001-2002) with Hamblet's this season. The way of thinking that this thread was started under would reason Hamblet is a better player than Pardon who also had 0 blocks that season.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:55 pm

It has nothing to do with numbers, which is something you're not understanding about our argument. It just so happens that, in this case, even the numbers support Hamblet over Floyd.

Hamblet is no Pardon, and I know that from watching them both play. Floyd isn't anywhere near either of them, and I know that from watching all 3 play. You can attack it from any angle you want, but I think 95% of the people that have watched both play, would take Hamblet over Floyd any day of the week. I think 100% would take BP over both of them. I just don't see where you're coming from on this, assuming you're competent in your basketball knowledge, which it appears that you are.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:00 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Hamblet is also second on the team in Blocks. Floyd didn't have one.

Defense is the major difference, since Floyd couldn't guard my keyboard, but Hamblet beats him everywhere else too, except for A/TO ratio.

You're right about neither being a PG, and we haven't had a legit PG since BP left. We won't win a championship until we get one.

LOL literally...I think snot came out of my nose. Floyd could not guard my keyboard.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:29 pm

Hamblet is a SG naturally. If we can bring a PG in (or Clements or Sims develops into one), he wlll score well for us next year.

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:17 pm

It's hard to believe that anybody would attempt to equate Hamblet to Floyd based on some pinheaded statistical comparison. Open your damned eyes and look at them play. Hamblet has more basketball ability in his rear than Floyd ever had on his best day. Hamblet brings so much more to the table than Floyd does it's ridiculous. (The only sport where stats actually mean something is in pro baseball. ENOUGH with all of this statisical mis-analysis.)

Both were very much out of position. Hamblet belongs on the wing and has played out of position all year. Given that, his assists are quite reasonable. Floyd was out of position by virtue being on a D1 basketbal floor in the first place. He wasn't a point. He wasn't a 2, either. Not even vaguely. In any given year, there are 10-15 seniors in the Toledo City League better than Floyd was at either position.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:21 am

BleedOrange wrote:In any given year, there are 10-15 seniors in the Toledo City League better than Floyd was at either position.

Except for, of course, the year he won City League POY, correct?

I'm no Floyd fan, but when he was moved off the ball last year he actually did some good things. He was good at cutting to the basket and he finished around the hoop when guys got him the ball. I couldn't stand the guy as a PG, that's pretty well known, but I think it's a touch hyperbolic to say that there are that many players in the city league better than him...especially since he came from the city league.