Miller To Talk To UM

[Jacobs4Heisman]

UC won 26 games in 2001-02, Curts first year here. The BIG EAST got 8 teams in the dance this year, the MAC just one. Curt turned an awful team into a champion in the MAC, I would be willing to bet he could turn a 15-win team into a championship contender at UC or elsewhere. Remember, the AD at Cincinnati was at Akron so I am sure he is familiar with Curt and what he has done here.

Those 26 wins were back in Convict USA. Little different situation now. They also didn't make it out of the second round in the NCAA tourney that year.

Curt inherited a bad team, but with fantastic history and tradition, a great academic environment and a great campus and family atmosphere. UC is a crappy school in the ghetto, stuck behind numerous national powers in-conference. Nobody is getting UC to be a top 3 conference team within 5-7 years. They're 13-19 in conference since they joined the Big East. UC is where a coach will go to die.

[theziggies]

Jacobs, is there any scenario in which you see Miller leaving BG? You seem to be 100% sure he will stay.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

Jacobs, is there any scenario in which you see Miller leaving BG? You seem to be 100% sure he will stay.

Nope -- I'm about 90% he'll be here next year.

[Bleeding Orange]

Jacobs, is there any scenario in which you see Miller leaving BG? You seem to be 100% sure he will stay.

I, for one, appreciate J4H bringing a little bit of rationality to this conversation. In the first place, it was unbelievable that this thread was started almost immediately after the most unbelievable season in MAC history ended (free speach; first ammendment - I know. It was totally classless). Some of the assertions and suggestions made since, in my opinion, have been pretty offensive to BGSU. Sure, I realize the position that we are in as a MAC school as far as coaching retention goes, but a lot of you are projecting situations that have taken place with the men's hoops and football programs onto a program that is in an entirely different type of situation (in other words, some obviously know little of which they speak). Thats all fine and dandy, but what I have found to be insulting is that far too many people seem to be selling short what BGSU has to offer.

BGSU is a great place. Some of you need to start thinking and acting like it, again, in my opinion.

Did I get off track a little bit?

[MacGuy]

UC won 26 games in 2001-02, Curts first year here. The BIG EAST got 8 teams in the dance this year, the MAC just one. Curt turned an awful team into a champion in the MAC, I would be willing to bet he could turn a 15-win team into a championship contender at UC or elsewhere. Remember, the AD at Cincinnati was at Akron so I am sure he is familiar with Curt and what he has done here.

Those 26 wins were back in Convict USA. Little different situation now. They also didn't make it out of the second round in the NCAA tourney that year.

Curt inherited a bad team, but with fantastic history and tradition, a great academic environment and a great campus and family atmosphere. UC is a crappy school in the ghetto, stuck behind numerous national powers in-conference. Nobody is getting UC to be a top 3 conference team within 5-7 years. They're 13-19 in conference since they joined the Big East. UC is where a coach will go to die.

Just as a point of information, I was recently at UC and they have completed what I believe is called Varsity Village. It is very, very nice with all of the sports venues in one area. There are also plans to build a new arena.

Not that it would be easy to win in a league with UConn and Rutgers, but there are some positives. If you're going to live in Ohio, many people would choose Cincy.

[Falconboy]

Jacobs, is there any scenario in which you see Miller leaving BG? You seem to be 100% sure he will stay.

I, for one, appreciate J4H bringing a little bit of rationality to this conversation. In the first place, it was unbelievable that this thread was started almost immediately after the most unbelievable season in MAC history ended (free speach; first ammendment - I know. It was totally classless). Some of the assertions and suggestions made since, in my opinion, have been pretty offensive to BGSU. Sure, I realize the position that we are in as a MAC school as far as coaching retention goes, but a lot of you are projecting situations that have taken place with the men's hoops and football programs onto a program that is in an entirely different type of situation (in other words, some obviously know little of which they speak). Thats all fine and dandy, but what I have found to be insulting is that far too many people seem to be selling short what BGSU has to offer.

BGSU is a great place. Some of you need to start thinking and acting like it, again, in my opinion.

Did I get off track a little bit?

Right on BO. Its been insulting to say the least everytime I hear or read a story on BG women's b-ball and that the story is aways prefaced with the "fact" or near "fact" that Miller is gone.

One thing I need clearing up on is this. Base salary and the perk money that is added on. What are these perk bonuses and how much are we giveing or able to give Miller for what he's done here. If UM's coach was only getting 170k as a base but was making in totality 350k , where is all that coming from? It sounds like we're not all that far behind in base salaries , but its the perk or bonus money that gets us in the end.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

UC won 26 games in 2001-02, Curts first year here. The BIG EAST got 8 teams in the dance this year, the MAC just one. Curt turned an awful team into a champion in the MAC, I would be willing to bet he could turn a 15-win team into a championship contender at UC or elsewhere. Remember, the AD at Cincinnati was at Akron so I am sure he is familiar with Curt and what he has done here.

Those 26 wins were back in Convict USA. Little different situation now. They also didn't make it out of the second round in the NCAA tourney that year.

Curt inherited a bad team, but with fantastic history and tradition, a great academic environment and a great campus and family atmosphere. UC is a crappy school in the ghetto, stuck behind numerous national powers in-conference. Nobody is getting UC to be a top 3 conference team within 5-7 years. They're 13-19 in conference since they joined the Big East. UC is where a coach will go to die.

Just as a point of information, I was recently at UC and they have completed what I believe is called Varsity Village. It is very, very nice with all of the sports venues in one area. There are also plans to build a new arena.

Not that it would be easy to win in a league with UConn and Rutgers, but there are some positives. If you're going to live in Ohio, many people would choose Cincy.

That's true -- Cincy is an awesome City, but UC is in a really bad area. Also, remember that some people just aren't "city people".

UC is in the bottom half of that league in every respect that would concern a prospective coach. Right now, BG is a better women's basketball program than UC, regardless of Conference affiliation.

[Falconfreak90]

IMO, I think Coach Miller can look at Bob Lindsay over at Kent State and Cueball Ehlen up the road as guys that could have gone to a "major" school with all the success they had. Both are still with their programs, although Ehlen seems to be fighting for his life these days.

I think Coach Miller will be coaching in AA again next year...just my 2 cents.

[greg1]

Jacobs, is there any scenario in which you see Miller leaving BG? You seem to be 100% sure he will stay.

I, for one, appreciate J4H bringing a little bit of rationality to this conversation. In the first place, it was unbelievable that this thread was started almost immediately after the most unbelievable season in MAC history ended (free speach; first ammendment - I know. It was totally classless). Some of the assertions and suggestions made since, in my opinion, have been pretty offensive to BGSU. Sure, I realize the position that we are in as a MAC school as far as coaching retention goes, but a lot of you are projecting situations that have taken place with the men's hoops and football programs onto a program that is in an entirely different type of situation (in other words, some obviously know little of which they speak). Thats all fine and dandy, but what I have found to be insulting is that far too many people seem to be selling short what BGSU has to offer.

BGSU is a great place. Some of you need to start thinking and acting like it, again, in my opinion.

Did I get off track a little bit?

I don't think that there is a single person participating in this discussion who WANTS to see anybody other than Curt Miller on the BG sideline next season and for many seasons after that. I have yet to pick up on a single word or phrase that indicates otherwise. However, taking a new job or being offered a new job IS a possibility and regardless of your opinion or mine or anyone else's, there is no need to run away from the issue. It's a forum for crying out loud and some people need to deal with the possibilities by talking about it. It's not unbelievable and it's not classless at all for this topic to be brought up so quickly. In case you've missed it, it IS a very hot topic. Hot topics.....message boards.......they go together like El Caminos and Mulletts.....like beer and pretzels.....like 7 and 7. The assertions and suggestions being made are out there in the national media. Nothing new or earth shattering is being discussed here but maybe we all should just go stick our heads in the sand and be as naive about this as possible? Apparently denial RULZ!!!

[BGFalconfromCincy]

UC won 26 games in 2001-02, Curts first year here. The BIG EAST got 8 teams in the dance this year, the MAC just one. Curt turned an awful team into a champion in the MAC, I would be willing to bet he could turn a 15-win team into a championship contender at UC or elsewhere. Remember, the AD at Cincinnati was at Akron so I am sure he is familiar with Curt and what he has done here.

Those 26 wins were back in Convict USA. Little different situation now. They also didn't make it out of the second round in the NCAA tourney that year.

Curt inherited a bad team, but with fantastic history and tradition, a great academic environment and a great campus and family atmosphere. UC is a crappy school in the ghetto, stuck behind numerous national powers in-conference. Nobody is getting UC to be a top 3 conference team within 5-7 years. They're 13-19 in conference since they joined the Big East. UC is where a coach will go to die.

Just as a point of information, I was recently at UC and they have completed what I believe is called Varsity Village. It is very, very nice with all of the sports venues in one area. There are also plans to build a new arena.

Not that it would be easy to win in a league with UConn and Rutgers, but there are some positives. If you're going to live in Ohio, many people would choose Cincy.

That's true -- Cincy is an awesome City, but UC is in a really bad area. Also, remember that some people just aren't "city people".

UC is in the bottom half of that league in every respect that would concern a prospective coach. Right now, BG is a better women's basketball program than UC, regardless of Conference affiliation.

Oh so true about the city I come from and the program I first liked. Varisty Village is awesome, and it'll help football and men's basketball recuirting, but I think for the smaller sports it doesn't help that much

[Rollo83]

Jacobs, is there any scenario in which you see Miller leaving BG? You seem to be 100% sure he will stay.

I, for one, appreciate J4H bringing a little bit of rationality to this conversation. In the first place, it was unbelievable that this thread was started almost immediately after the most unbelievable season in MAC history ended (free speach; first ammendment - I know. It was totally classless). Some of the assertions and suggestions made since, in my opinion, have been pretty offensive to BGSU. Sure, I realize the position that we are in as a MAC school as far as coaching retention goes, but a lot of you are projecting situations that have taken place with the men's hoops and football programs onto a program that is in an entirely different type of situation (in other words, some obviously know little of which they speak). Thats all fine and dandy, but what I have found to be insulting is that far too many people seem to be selling short what BGSU has to offer.

BGSU is a great place. Some of you need to start thinking and acting like it, again, in my opinion.

Did I get off track a little bit?

I don't think that there is a single person participating in this discussion who WANTS to see anybody other than Curt Miller on the BG sideline next season and for many seasons after that. I have yet to pick up on a single word or phrase that indicates otherwise. However, taking a new job or being offered a new job IS a possibility and regardless of your opinion or mine or anyone else's, there is no need to run away from the issue. It's a forum for crying out loud and some people need to deal with the possibilities by talking about it. It's not unbelievable and it's not classless at all for this topic to be brought up so quickly. In case you've missed it, it IS a very hot topic. Hot topics.....message boards.......they go together like El Caminos and Mulletts.....like beer and pretzels.....like 7 and 7. The assertions and suggestions being made are out there in the national media. Nothing new or earth shattering is being discussed here but maybe we all should just go stick our heads in the sand and be as naive about this as possible? Apparently denial RULZ!!!

Well said!!!

[Jacobs4Heisman]

I have no problem with this discussion taking place, but there are an awful lot of misconceptions and exaggerations being tossed around as fact.

There are also many many variables at play in this discussion which the majority either don't know, don't understand, or haven't considered.

"Better" is an extremely subjective word in this case.

[CLindsay16]

Like it or not. Being in the Big East is better than being in the MAC.

Lots of MAC schools are going to be spring-boards for coaches. While I hate to see Curt leave, would I rather have a situation where he never came here and we never had all this success? Heck no!

I am pretty sure I have a good idea of the variables and I will be surprised if Curt is not announced as a head coach somewhere else within a week. If I am wrong, I will be the first to admit it.

Time to start accepting reality......

[Jacobs4Heisman]

Like it or not. Being in the Big East is better than being in the MAC.

Once again, not necessarily. Nothing about this situation is black and white. It might be better for you, and it might be better for most coaches, but would it be better for Curt? He'll have to decide that based on each individual opportunity, and the answers might surprise a lot of you.

[Bleeding Orange]

I don't think that there is a single person participating in this discussion who WANTS to see anybody other than Curt Miller on the BG sideline next season and for many seasons after that. I have yet to pick up on a single word or phrase that indicates otherwise. However, taking a new job or being offered a new job IS a possibility and regardless of your opinion or mine or anyone else's, there is no need to run away from the issue. It's a forum for crying out loud and some people need to deal with the possibilities by talking about it. It's not unbelievable and it's not classless at all for this topic to be brought up so quickly. In case you've missed it, it IS a very hot topic. Hot topics.....message boards.......they go together like El Caminos and Mulletts.....like beer and pretzels.....like 7 and 7. The assertions and suggestions being made are out there in the national media. Nothing new or earth shattering is being discussed here but maybe we all should just go stick our heads in the sand and be as naive about this as possible? Apparently denial RULZ!!!

I'm sorry if my little diatribe came off as being angrier than I intended it to be. Still, I know for a fact that I am not the only one around here that has had this reaction to all of this "speculation." A couple of points, though.

First, there hasn't been one word or phrase that has caused me and others to question the motives with which some things have been posted regarding Miller's situation, but the very fact that it has been so widely assumed and so quickly has caused some people to raise an eyebrow. Sure, it is fine and dandy to speculate about what might happen in the future, but so many people are just shooting from the hip without taking the time to look into any situation in detail (RE: all of the "[insert school] has an opening! OMG!" threads).

You can argue that this is a "message board" all you want, but the fact of the matter is that, no matter what forum in which they may be, words have consequences. I look at it this way (its a hypothetical, don't go jumping off of bridges on me) - if I were coach Miller, and I happened to check this forum shortly after the ASU game, I would have been a bit disheartened to see my own situation garnering attention when the team just finished a heck of a run. Furthermore, I might also be somewhat more inclined to take other offers a little bit more seriously if only because my fanbase seems to.

Make of that what you will (and I'm sure someone will make a mountain out of it), but all I am really trying to say is that, instead of running around trying to be the first to say "see! I knew he'd go to [insert school]" if and when that might happen (a couple of people here can't deny that is what they are doing), what the heck is wrong with simply saying that we would all like to see coach back next year? After all, this is just a message board, and we don't give out medals for breaking a story. Call it towing a line. Call it pandering. Call it whatever you want, but what the heck is wrong with it, really? It couldn't really hurt anything.

This isn't going to turn into a pissing match, because I'm ending it right here. I just wanted to put this side of the equation out there for people to consider. And damn Greg, settle down brotha. I wasn't attacking anyone, just making an argument.