Big trouble at the U of T

JimmyZ11381 · Post by **JimmyZ11381** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:39 pm

Bleeding Orange wrote:Wow. That totally sucks. Not just for Toledo, but for the MAC and the NCAA as well. I wouldn't relish in this too much, folks.

You are right...I couldn't help myself from overreacting though.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:43 pm

I will also relish in the knowledge that no Toledo fan will be here for awhile.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:45 pm

TG1996 wrote:
Bleeding Orange wrote:Wow. That totally sucks. Not just for Toledo, but for the MAC and the NCAA as well. I wouldn't relish in this too much, folks.
You forgot a there, Ace.

I'm a little hesitant about the "investigating if other schools may have been involved", but for now, it's Toledo, and I will laugh.

There. I laughed.

Honestly, I'm surprised there aren't more scandals like this in the MAC, the Sun Belt, etc.

Vegas posts lines, creating certain incentives -- and some of our programs are so far off the national radar screen, loaded with players who are an awful long way from the NBA or the NFL, etc.

I am not ready to assume point shaving has never occurred here in our neck of the woods.

That's not an accusation. I just think it would be easier get away with in Bowling Green, Ohio or DeKalb, Ill, than it would be in, say, Evanston, Ill.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:00 pm

If we ever got busted for somthing like this it would set us back worse then Hiring Greg Brandon as head coach.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:31 pm

Lets get back to something that matters about this. Is there any chance that such a mess as this could lead to the NCAA taking back some of the games, titles, or bowl wins they have, because of something like this? Could there be NCAA probation of some kind for an event like that? Loss of future scheduled games, etc?

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:46 pm

NWLB wrote:Lets get back to something that matters about this. Is there any chance that such a mess as this could lead to the NCAA taking back some of the games, titles, or bowl wins they have, because of something like this? Could there be NCAA probation of some kind for an event like that? Loss of future scheduled games, etc?

I'd say probation and/or fines would be the most likely to affect the university should anything come out of this. Individual players could be suspended to some extent, but taking records away from the school would depend on the severity of what is uncovered.

redskins4ever · Post by **redskins4ever** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:56 pm

You will likely see a loss of scholarships... I am trying to find the BC penalties... it will also be interesting to see how much more, less, or equal to what the big boys normally get for a similiar penalty.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:30 pm

It's made its way to the FOXSports.com front page, as well as MSN.com (via FOX).

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/6627952?MSNHPHMA

Probably not the publicity UT wanted as spring practice opens.

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:48 pm

It looks like people were suspicious back in 05'

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=316210

And a new link after finding out the news in the freep

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=472933

Dayons_Den · Post by **Dayons_Den** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:02 pm

Tricky_Falcon wrote:It looks like people were suspicious back in 05'

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=316210

And a new link after finding out the news in the freep

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=472933

Wow, just wow. Good find there Tricky, very interesting.

Makes our second half collapse up there a few years ago even more sickening!

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:33 pm

Dayons_Den wrote:
Tricky_Falcon wrote:It looks like people were suspicious back in 05'

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=316210

And a new link after finding out the news in the freep

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=472933
Wow, just wow. Good find there Tricky, very interesting.

Makes our second half collapse up there a few years ago even more sickening!

That forum link is a GREAT find.

Norm mentioned on 1470 this afternoon that he has sources indicating that the investigation actually goes back to 2003.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:36 pm

Damn...just damn. I feel bad for their fans. This kind of thing leaves you with a black eye for a long time. I'm not sure how much longer we're going to see Toledo Tom on the sideline.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:44 pm

Tricky_Falcon wrote:It looks like people were suspicious back in 05'

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=316210

And a new link after finding out the news in the freep

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=472933

Thanks for that. Great stuff there.

I wonder just how many athletes are involved with this at UT. It's disturbing that the entire MAC is under suspicion. This will be nothing but bad for everybody. We all like Toledo to suffer some misfortune now and then, but if our chief rival gets anything even remotely deathpenaltyish, it will hurt us as well.

This just sucks for everybody. Way to go, Gary.

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:55 pm

I can't take credit for finding those links by myself. They were actually on the Toledo message board.

Post by **ZiggyZoomba** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:57 pm

Here's the actual complaint filed in US District Court:

http://www.ay-ziggy-zoomba.com/download ... plaint.pdf