Big trouble at the U of T

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:09 pm

Here's what a few people at SportsJournalists.com think about UT and the MAC...

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/ ... 387.0.html

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:19 pm

Falconboy · Post by **Falconboy** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:54 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:

Ha, thats funny!

tekekini · Post by **tekekini** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:03 pm

Tricky_Falcon wrote:
CapitalFalcon wrote:You know what...I hope that this finally simmers some people down about how "they are so glad we don't play in a big conference because everyone is corrupted in the Big Ten"
I would think that everyone here would love for BG to play in a bigger conference if it were offered. I don't remember anyone saying that the Big Ten as a whole is corrupt. We usually point out one school from the conference that breaks the rules but usually gets by with a slap on the wrist.

Your obviously talking about OSU and the reason the NCAA does not do anything is because OSU is very quick and very good at handling things themselves. They handle their issues to the satisfaction of the NCAA so they never get punished.

However, I do not think that wiping out a tourney and final four appearance is a "slap on the wrist".

Your also probably referring to Clarrett. That was investigated by the NCAA twice, no wrong doing was found..so what exactly is your problem?

You guys blow everything way out of proportion when it comes to anything at OSU.

h2oville rocket · Post by **h2oville rocket** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:04 pm

Globetrotter wrote:I will also relish in the knowledge that no Toledo fan will be here for awhile.

I guarantee you I would have been here almost immediately but I just found out about this half an hour ago. Here's one UT fan of many who feels that McDougal is scum and that anyone else who knew about this or should have known about this should be gone yesterday. No excuses. This is UT's problem, not BG's. Having said that I will also say that this Rocket fan would take no joy in this happening to any conference member.

I absolutely hate gambling.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:22 pm

h2oville rocket wrote:
I absolutely hate gambling.

I'm with you h2oville. I got ripped a while back for taking a shot at bookies, but this is what gambling on amature athletics eventually leads to. Not everyone has the same type of moral cielings that most of us have.

After thinking about this some more, I'm not sure how anyone who has ever wagered on college football could possibly be surprised by this happening at Toledo or any other school.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:17 pm

h2oville rocket wrote: I absolutely hate gambling.

I'm with you. I'm in more of the camp of "I just don't understand it."

I understand the concepts of gambling, but I don't understand the desire. My idea of gambling is the morning commute!

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:28 pm

Personally I love gambling, poker especially. I enjoy betting on sports just for fun, because it gets you more emotionally involved in games that you'd otherwise not care about. I like poker because it's a game of skill that can make you money if you're good at it.

I'm not really a big fan of any of the gambling games that give the house big advantages (Table Games, slots, LOTTO, etc.).

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:59 am

It's the Journey... wrote:
MACMAN wrote:WEll its clear to me why we dumped against WI, Oklahoma and Ohio State now...we must have been in on this too Must have been to help pay for the gay new redhawk logo and field turf..and to pay Game Day.
Do you ever have anything to say that might benefit a conversation? Or do you just like complaining about absolutely everything?

Well the first part was a joke

and any conversation with out humor is not worth having...and I take every chance I get to bash our plane stupid unneeded copy of the redhawks logo. It appears your the complainer

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:01 am

h2oville rocket wrote:
Globetrotter wrote:I will also relish in the knowledge that no Toledo fan will be here for awhile.
I guarantee you I would have been here almost immediately but I just found out about this half an hour ago. Here's one UT fan of many who feels that McDougal is scum and that anyone else who knew about this or should have known about this should be gone yesterday. No excuses. This is UT's problem, not BG's. Having said that I will also say that this Rocket fan would take no joy in this happening to any conference member.

I absolutely hate gambling.

GEe come on man it was all part of the players plan to keep Tom feed.

RobbyFalcon · Post by **RobbyFalcon** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:53 am

If this is true it is bad for us. You're judged by the company you keep. If our game with UT, which is always scheduled for a weeknight, ends up not being on TV 'cause UT is on some sort of sanctions, that will suck. If any other MAC game ends up not being on TV 'cause of this, that will suck. If they severely punish UT and take away their chance to compete, that will sorta suck. Beating them will still be fun, but beating them without a "yea but..." is so much better.

If the UT-BG game is on TV and that's the big story instead of the game, that will suck. You know how ESPN doesn't exactly care about analyzing and calling the current game, they'll talk about other issues.

I like BG sports because I went there naturally. But I also like BG and the MAC because you can enjoy the games without blinders on.

I hope this is an isolated, unique incident.

Go BG!

LakelandRocket · Post by **LakelandRocket** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:41 am

I hate gambling. I remember a UCONN alum kidding me about an Amstutz sighting in Windsor, on the slots, the night before the MCB. I didn't like it, especially given the result.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:05 am

I could make the joke about his actually being at the Buffet, but its too easy.

Post by **ZiggyZoomba** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:40 am

Hack wrote a piece on this in today's Blade.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:30 am

Globetrotter wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:
orangeandbrown wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:In other words, I'm not laying awake at night about it.
Schad, I'm not either, but you're missing my point. Let's say the McDougle thing ends @ UT. Many times, when you start to look for one thing, you find out about other things, even if they aren't directly connected or are even only connected a little. You and I can probably name a couple examples.
After that post, I had to do some things, but I was thinking about it more, and I do think I agree.

It could be that we have had point-shaving situations in this league that have been handled completely internally, but that are somewhat known or rumored about around the conference.

If a bunch of employees at Toledo's athletic department are about to be shown the door -- and Rocket fans are completely merciless right now, they want axes to fall, and they seem to much care that their football coach's nickname is "Toledo" -- then anything they might think they know about other programs could start spilling out.

I've got to feel for a fella like "Toledo" Tom. It is difficult to believe he would have known about or condoned what is being alleged in federal court, and yet his career could go up in smoke over this in a very big hurry.

He may be about to be thrown under a very, very big bus.
I think some one here are missing the point. If we had people point shaving we deserve to go down.

Globettrotter: this was a complaint alleged against a University of Toledo athlete recruiting other University of Toledo athletes to fix the outcomes of University of Toledo football and basketball games.

Can it get any more clear than that?

BG HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!! (per another post, the caps in this case indicate extreme anger and frustration)

*IF* our athletic department has been secretly building a elaborate network of tunnels underneath the campus to protect athletes against an impending swarm of attacking killer bees, we have a situation on our hands. Considering there's as much evidence of that as the evidence behind the borderline libelous hypothetical you presented, I'd say such talk is both ridiculous and highly irresponsible.