What "they're" saying about Orr....

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:58 pm

I also read in the ESPN article that there were differences of opinion between Orr and his AD about recruiting. All indications are that he was fired at Seton Hall because it just wasn't a good fit there. He was winning, and he's the last guy who would be involved in some kind of scandal. I think it's a big leap to say we shouldn't have hired him because he got fired by SHU.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:59 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Warthog and Hammb like it too -- that's a rare trifecta.

Yea, we ususally agree, but in a pessimistic way.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:00 pm

ZiggyZoomba wrote:From what I've heard Orr's firing at Seton Hall was political. Louis Orr is a fundamentalist "Born Again" Christian. He's vocal about it. Seton Hall is a Catholic institution and has many major donors who are "Old School" Catholic. Some of these donors did not like the style Mr. Orr took with his public praising of The Lord and thanking his Creator in victory and also in defeat. They felt that someone representing a Catholic institution ought not be quite as vocal and outspoken on such a subject.

This is why I don't care for religion.

But since I think this thread needs it (and really what thread doesn't) here's Jessica (who also thinks this is a good hire, BTW).

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:08 pm

Flipper wrote:I was raised as a Catholic...my wife attends a kind of Evangelical Church...they're Evangelical Lite. As a nominal Catholic, I'm not really comfortable around the evangelicals, even if they are kind of low key about it.

I can see how a hard core Catholic might be taken aback by a really vocal evangelical. Not car bomb at the market uncomfortable, but uncomfortable nonetheless.

Me too.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:22 pm

ZiggyZoomba wrote:I don't understand why this IS an argument. Good lord people...

We just hired a new coach! Not once did someone say Dan Dakich lacked those qualiites. No one is saying Orr is the be-all end-all solution to everything. But for cripes sake, let's enjoy that we have what seems like a wonderful man and a coach with a proven record coming in to take over the helm of a ship that's been off course the past couple of years!!

I swear to God... does EVERYTHING need to suck in some way or another?

I have no idea why this is an argument either. I think maybe we should back track and see who responded with aggressive negativity to another person making an observation......

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:26 pm

CrazyFan wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Why do you think it's a bad fit, and who do you think we could have hired who would have been better?

Personally, I think it's as good a fit as you can hope for at this level and what we can pay. He seems like a guy that has plenty of big-time experience, and is obviously knowledgeable about the game. I also think, based on his situation and his public comments, that he may want to finish his career here if things go well.

What about this situation makes you think it's a bad fit?
Well, I'm going to do the "no-no" of posting your opinions and say I don't know why. All the info on the situation points at this being a good hire, but I just have a "feeling" on the whole situation that makes me think this wasn't the best hire. I don't like the fact he was canned at Seton Hall even with a winning record and multiple NCAA appearances and I don't like his age. I don't know if he'll have the drive to be out on the road day to day getting us THE BEST players possible. But again, I could very well be wrong. We'll find out in a year or two.

I don't like the fact that he sat out a year, as I said before the other things that make me feel like this was not the best hire will not be found out until the season. Will he recruit well, will he bring the community together like Urban, will he have a strong relationship withe the players? Will his offense run well.....The answers to all of those we won't know until he is in the job for awhile. I think that anyone who had been hired as HC with atleast a decent level of experience as a coach would have been welcomed here on these boards and we would have found many reasons to say he was the best fit. That is the nature as fans. Out with the old in with the new. It is why recruiting, the draft and FA are so interesting. In many of these cases one groups trash is anothers treasure.....I am in no way saying this is the case. He seems like a good enough hire. I did not expect someone with such a strong resume.

BGorDeath · Post by **BGorDeath** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:34 pm

hammb wrote:
ZiggyZoomba wrote:From what I've heard Orr's firing at Seton Hall was political. Louis Orr is a fundamentalist "Born Again" Christian. He's vocal about it. Seton Hall is a Catholic institution and has many major donors who are "Old School" Catholic. Some of these donors did not like the style Mr. Orr took with his public praising of The Lord and thanking his Creator in victory and also in defeat. They felt that someone representing a Catholic institution ought not be quite as vocal and outspoken on such a subject.
This is why I don't care for religion.

But since I think this thread needs it (and really what thread doesn't) here's Jessica (who also thinks this is a good hire, BTW).

Watched Into The Blue the other night. Can't remember what it was about except Jessica was wearing a bathing suit alot.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:36 pm

BGorDeath wrote:
hammb wrote:
ZiggyZoomba wrote:From what I've heard Orr's firing at Seton Hall was political. Louis Orr is a fundamentalist "Born Again" Christian. He's vocal about it. Seton Hall is a Catholic institution and has many major donors who are "Old School" Catholic. Some of these donors did not like the style Mr. Orr took with his public praising of The Lord and thanking his Creator in victory and also in defeat. They felt that someone representing a Catholic institution ought not be quite as vocal and outspoken on such a subject.
This is why I don't care for religion.

But since I think this thread needs it (and really what thread doesn't) here's Jessica (who also thinks this is a good hire, BTW).

Watched Into The Blue the other night. Can't remember what it was about except Jessica was wearing a bathing suit alot.

I like her look in this one more.....Is she wearing one of those shoes that Real Estate Agents make potential buyers wear when they view a house.....

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:18 pm

Lets look at this from yet another angle:

Of the major questions facing Greg C.:
Replacing Dakich
Keeping Miller, if possible.
What to do about Hockey?
What to do about Brandon in a couple of years.
What to do abut the convocation center.
What to do about the hockey venue.

The jury is out on all of these questions, but his pick of Orr, that is the first step towards knowing what kind of a program he'll run. Lets see how the rest comes together. That is why people are picking this apart with a fine tooth comb. They wonder what this says about future hires at BGSU.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:20 pm

hammb wrote:

Why is she wearing a valance?

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:22 pm

NWLB wrote:Lets look at this from yet another angle:

Of the major questions facing Greg C.:
Replacing Dakich
Keeping Miller, if possible.
What to do about Hockey?
What to do about Brandon in a couple of years.
What to do abut the convocation center.
What to do about the hockey venue.

The jury is out on all of these questions, but his pick of Orr, that is the first step towards knowing what kind of a program he'll run. Lets see how the rest comes together. That is why people are picking this apart with a fine tooth comb. They wonder what this says about future hires at BGSU.

If hockey is even rumored to be gone, I'm out. Hockey outdrew both basketball teams.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:27 pm

Rightupinthere wrote:
hammb wrote:
Why is she wearing a valance?

Because if she wasn't, I wouldn't be able to post the pic here

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:28 pm

NWLB wrote:Lets look at this from yet another angle:

Of the major questions facing Greg C.:
Replacing Dakich
Keeping Miller, if possible.
What to do about Hockey?
What to do about Brandon in a couple of years.
What to do abut the convocation center.
What to do about the hockey venue.

The jury is out on all of these questions, but his pick of Orr, that is the first step towards knowing what kind of a program he'll run. Lets see how the rest comes together. That is why people are picking this apart with a fine tooth comb. They wonder what this says about future hires at BGSU.

What do you think it shows? I would say it is a fairly conservative hire in that Orr sought out the position.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:41 pm

Unsure. I would say BGSU might appeal to a guy seeking to start a new path to a big job. I'm sure a more wild bet could have been found. It might be we underestimate the guy. He may fully expect to turn things around quickly, his kid will graduate high school, he'll move along. He doesn't come across as a "fast mover" but frankly his resume doesn't bespeak a person that wants to retire in BG, so it would figure he has an exit plan.

I'm more curious how he'll find into a new convocation center project.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:49 pm

Globetrotter wrote:
What do you think it shows? I would say it is a fairly conservative hire in that Orr sought out the position.

Perhaps I'm misinterpereting your implication, but how is hiring someone who sought out the position "conservative?" Quite frankly, I would much rather have a coach here who wants to be here rather than hire some snotty assistant from a school such as OSU who will be looking to win only to get out once he realizes that there aren't any strip clubs in BG.