Big trouble at the U of T

[NWLB]

I enjoy making jokes at UT's expense, and yes, given my status at the forfront of antirocketism, add as much sodium free salt substitute as you like.

As I noted, University’s have generally escaped direct penalties for such things. SMU is a key exception. However the athletes have been the ones run out of the system.

UT could wind up being made an example of. I don’t see anything coming of it this year, the federal criminal investigation will take a long time to complete, trials to finish. Then you might have to multiply this by a dozen times, and then start the NCAA anal-probe of UT. Assuming the point-shaving is the only issue the NCAA turns up as it is picking UT apart, it could be a few more years yet, before this is done.

The words you want to wait to hear are loss, control, and institutional. Hear those in the some order, and watch out. The NCAA will blame the school, even if there wasn’t any overt attempt or desire to allow such things to take place.

Could, or would the MAC sanction UT in some form?

[maquisard]

According to what RWT posted, the NCAA doesn't see any difference.......wagering on sports at all will lose your eligibility.

It was 35% of the student-athletes surveyed by the NCAA admitted to betting on sports. I am sure not all that do admitted to it either since they know it is against NCAA rules.

This same survey had 1.3% of NCAA football players say that they have played poorly in games in an attempt to effect the outcome by point-shaving. That's enough to be 1 or 2 players on every I-A team. I doubt this is happening at every I-A school, so let's say that's enough for 4-8 players at 25% of the I-A schools.

That's way too much. Anyone found guilty of this at UT needs to my punished very severely by the NCAA. I hate to see this all happen at UT and I hate to see any probation/sanctions, but winning isn't everything. The NCAA needs to made a statement here. I believe they failed to do so in the past incidents at Northwestern, Boston College, Tulane, and Arizona State where the schools received a slap on the wrist.

On paper they don't see a difference but in a practical sense they do. One they go after and prosecute, the other they frown upon until it gets out of control. Betting on sports could be a high percentage. Scooter "wait till dey see my fat ass back in da hood" McDoodle is a very low percentage.

[rocketfootball]

On paper they don't see a difference but in a practical sense they do. One they go after and prosecute, the other they frown upon until it gets out of control.

Who's the "they" you are talking about? The NCAA doesn't prosecute people. We are talking about the NCAA and believe me the NCAA will do it by the book and take your eligibility away. They friggin' won't let that RB from Boise State, Ian Johnson, receive gifts as his wedding because they say it will be a NCAA violation. They could care less how you bet. Betting is against NCAA rules, PERIOD!

[rocketfootball]

I enjoy making jokes at UT's expense, and yes, given my status at the forfront of antirocketism, add as much sodium free salt substitute as you like.

As I noted, University’s have generally escaped direct penalties for such things. SMU is a key exception. However the athletes have been the ones run out of the system.

UT could wind up being made an example of. I don’t see anything coming of it this year, the federal criminal investigation will take a long time to complete, trials to finish. Then you might have to multiply this by a dozen times, and then start the NCAA anal-probe of UT. Assuming the point-shaving is the only issue the NCAA turns up as it is picking UT apart, it could be a few more years yet, before this is done.

The words you want to wait to hear are loss, control, and institutional. Hear those in the some order, and watch out. The NCAA will blame the school, even if there wasn’t any overt attempt or desire to allow such things to take place.

Could, or would the MAC sanction UT in some form?

I wouldn't live in your glory until this whole thing is over, which may very well be a few years. With the idea being put out there that there could be more than UT involved, you would hate to live in glory now only to find out your own school is involved later.


DISCLAIMER - I am in no way saying BG players have done anything wrong and I fully do not think they were involved in this, but with all the uncertainty I am not sure it makes sense to be happy about another school having this trouble. Especially your rival because if it gets bad enough you might have to find another rival.

[NWLB]

I enjoy making jokes at UT's expense, and yes, given my status at the forfront of antirocketism, add as much sodium free salt substitute as you like.

As I noted, University’s have generally escaped direct penalties for such things. SMU is a key exception. However the athletes have been the ones run out of the system.

UT could wind up being made an example of. I don’t see anything coming of it this year, the federal criminal investigation will take a long time to complete, trials to finish. Then you might have to multiply this by a dozen times, and then start the NCAA anal-probe of UT. Assuming the point-shaving is the only issue the NCAA turns up as it is picking UT apart, it could be a few more years yet, before this is done.

The words you want to wait to hear are loss, control, and institutional. Hear those in the some order, and watch out. The NCAA will blame the school, even if there wasn’t any overt attempt or desire to allow such things to take place.

Could, or would the MAC sanction UT in some form?

I wouldn't live in your glory until this whole thing is over, which may very well be a few years. With the idea being put out there that there could be more than UT involved, you would hate to live in glory now only to find out your own school is involved later.


DISCLAIMER - I am in no way saying BG players have done anything wrong and I fully do not think they were involved in this, but with all the uncertainty I am not sure it makes sense to be happy about another school having this trouble. Especially your rival because if it gets bad enough you might have to find another rival.

Might help to note I wasn't gloating in that post, and I'm very mindful that many things have not been finished yet. So kindly keep my comments in their intended context. I'll actually gloat when the time is ripe, not before.

That said, if we had to go find a new rival school because it "got that bad" then it would be the fulfillment of my deepest, wildest, most cherished dream.

DISCLAIMER - I am in no way saying BG players have done anything wrong, and I fully do not think they were involved in this.

[San Diego Falcon]

Especially your rival because if it gets bad enough you might have to find another rival.

Would you stop posting here then?

[maquisard]

On paper they don't see a difference but in a practical sense they do. One they go after and he gets prosecuted, the other they frown upon until it gets out of control.

Who's the "they" you are talking about? The NCAA doesn't prosecute people. We are talking about the NCAA and believe me the NCAA will do it by the book and take your eligibility away. They friggin' won't let that RB from Boise State, Ian Johnson, receive gifts as his wedding because they say it will be a NCAA violation. They could care less how you bet. Betting is against NCAA rules, PERIOD!

He will receive wedding gifts.

Listen, I feel for you and I'm hoping for the best, but booster gifts and throwing $20 on a table at a party are in different columns of infractions. And the other column that has "where's my cadillac" scooter's name on it also says FBI (use 'prosecute' here). He's not really worried about eligibility right now. Trying to tie all gambling behavior into a larger percentage might make you feel better but it doesn't represent the crime involved here.

[BGDrew]

All the NCAA would need to find is: Did the University notice any strange behavior and check up on it? I've said it before, when McDougle rolled up in a brand new car there probably should have been some question marks. If the NCAA finds that the coaches knew about the new car and didn't do anything about it, that's enough for the NCAA to punish the school.If nothing else, this does hurt Amstutz's appearance of not being able to run a disciplined program.

I know this kind of thing happens a lot more than anyone would like to admit. I just hope that our players have seen what can happen when you get caught and will think twice about it.


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[rocketfootball]

On paper they don't see a difference but in a practical sense they do. One they go after and he gets prosecuted, the other they frown upon until it gets out of control.

Who's the "they" you are talking about? The NCAA doesn't prosecute people. We are talking about the NCAA and believe me the NCAA will do it by the book and take your eligibility away. They friggin' won't let that RB from Boise State, Ian Johnson, receive gifts as his wedding because they say it will be a NCAA violation. They could care less how you bet. Betting is against NCAA rules, PERIOD!

He will receive wedding gifts.

Listen, I feel for you and I'm hoping for the best, but booster gifts and throwing $20 on a table at a party are in different columns of infractions. And the other column that has "where's my cadillac" scooter's name on it also says FBI (use 'prosecute' here). He's not really worried about eligibility right now. Trying to tie all gambling behavior into a larger percentage might make you feel better but it doesn't represent the crime involved here.

I don't think you understood my point. I was making the point that the NCAA goes by the book for everything. They have told Ian Johnson he CANNOT receive gifts at his wedding. If he can't receive gifts at his wedding, then the NCAA would be anal enough to consider a $20 bet on a professional football game a violation too. I hope that clears up that point.

Now, why are some of you having this problem where you think I am defending Scooter or UT in this matter when I have repeatedly said that I hope that any player involved and the University are made an example of by the NCAA? You guys really need to take off the brown colored glasses that are blinding you from what my feelings and intentions are. For some reason you think I am coming here to the rescue of Scooter and UT and that is not the case.

[BGDrew]

What's stopping Johnson from telling his wedding guests to bring gifts for his wife?

[rocketfootball]

All the NCAA would need to find is: Did the University notice any strange behavior and check up on it. I've said it before, when McDougle rolled up in a brand new car there probably should have been some question marks. If the NCAA finds that the coaches new about the new car and didn't do anything about it, that's enough for the NCAA to punish the school.If nothing else, this does hurt Amstutz's appearance of not being able to run a disciplined program.

I know this kind of thing happens a lot more than anyone would like to admit. I just hope that our players have seen what can happen when you get caught and will think twice about it.

I agree with you BGDrew. The interesting thing about the car sturff is that a 14 year old kid that is a neighbor said in the Blade the other day that he saw a lot of new cars at scooter's house all the time. Then today an adult neighbor said that the only car she has ever seen there and with him driving is his sister's car.

Who do you believe? Perhaps the adult just didn't see the newer cars when he had them? Of course at the same time why would there be a lot of new cars instead of just one new car? How many new cars would he need in a 2-3 year period? Who knows if either one of them is right? Just a lot of questions right now.

[rocketfootball]

What's stopping Johnson from telling his wedding guests to bring gifts for his wife?

His soon to be wife is a cheerleader at Boise State and on scholarship so she falls under the same rules. Now I heard this from someone and didn't really research it until now, but here are some of the rules regarding it (he can receive some gifts):

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Coaches can give gifts. BSU coaches are allowed to give Johnson a wedding gift, but only if they do the same for all of their players who invite them to weddings. The same rule applies to staff members. They must be able to document that under similar circumstances they have given gifts in the past.

Boosters should not give gifts.  The problem with allowing boosters to bring gifts is that a popular athlete could invite every season-ticket holder to the wedding and collect tens of thousands of dollars worth of cash and merchandise.

So I believe they can still receive gifts from relatives and students that they were friends with before they went to Boise State. There is an article in an Idaho newspaper about it, but I can't find the link.

[maquisard]

I don't think you understood my point. I was making the point that the NCAA goes by the book for everything. They have told Ian Johnson he CANNOT receive gifts at his wedding. If he can't receive gifts at his wedding, then the NCAA would be anal enough to consider a $20 bet on a professional football game a violation too. I hope that clears up that point.

Now, why are some of you having this problem where you think I am defending Scooter or UT in this matter when I have repeatedly said that I hope that any player involved and the University are made an example of by the NCAA? You guys really need to take off the brown colored glasses that are blinding you from what my feelings and intentions are. For some reason you think I am coming here to the rescue of Scooter and UT and that is not the case.[/quote]


Again, he WILL receive wedding gifts. No similarities. No point there.

A school being careful about boosters giving wedding gifts it not even close to scooter's crime. For one, it's not even a crime. The only possible similarity is the Boise RB will be boinking his babe while scooter will be getting boinked.

It's time to take your yellow glasses off and get another stupid cliche. Skooter's crime is not the same as the 35% of the check marks in the unrelated poll you want to use involving all forms of gambling. It's not "poor toledo" time.

[redskins4ever]

What was OSU's penalty for Maurice's gifts?

What was UNLV's?

What about Oklahoma's this past year?

[h2oville rocket]

I agree with you BGDrew. The interesting thing about the car sturff is that a 14 year old kid that is a neighbor said in the Blade the other day that he saw a lot of new cars at scooter's house all the time.

What's truly appalling about that is that a 14 year old neighbor gives the Blade info that could conceivably harm the case of an alleged felon and the Blade prints the poor kid's name and gives the location of his home. STUPID!