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San Diego Falcon wrote:
Especially your rival because if it gets bad enough you might have to find another rival.
Would you stop posting here then?
SDF, I certainly don't speak for the rest of the board, but in my opinion, that statement was totally out of line (I hope you were joking). I don't know the guy personally, but RF has been a very responsible and mature poster on this board as far as I'm concerned. It is people like RF that make rivalries worth while.

Bottom line: just because people are from other schools doesn't mean they are evil.
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Just got back from FLA and there was some decent coverage of this in the St Pete Times 2-3 times in the week I was there. Not good news for our friends up the road. :oops:
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Schadenfreude wrote:Bowling Green has never been found guilty of a major infraction by the NCAA.

That's more than just about every Big Ten school can say. In fact, most MAC schools can't say that.

I'm damned proud of that.
Schade,

That's one of the things I'm most proud. Grad rates for our student-athletes and following the rules.

It MUST always remain that way. ALWAYS. I'd rather lose playing by the rules than win by cheating.

I feel badly for the cool UT fans out there...and there are a good number of them out there. Mitch's brother Matt is a great UT fan and a very cool cat...just roots for the wrong team. :wink: I think rocket football and H2ORocket are just great fans of their school and program. And I don't see how this includes BGSU. This is UT's problem as well as the MAC office and NCAA. Unless BG players were in on anything related, it ain't our problem. As long as we make sure we're doing everything humanly possible to stay clean, we'll be fine. We have enough to watch and worry about with ourselves, let alone another school's program.

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Bleeding Orange wrote: Bottom line: just because people are from other schools doesn't mean they are evil.
Thanks, BO. As we all know being from other schools does not make one evil-being from BGSU makes one evil. ;-)
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Falconfreak90 wrote:I feel badly for the cool UT fans out there...and there are a good number of them out there. I think rocket football and H2ORocket are just great fans of their school and program.
Flattered as I am, you and Flipper are killing my Rocket credibility with quotes like this one.
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h2oville rocket wrote:
Falconfreak90 wrote:I feel badly for the cool UT fans out there...and there are a good number of them out there. I think rocket football and H2ORocket are just great fans of their school and program.
Flattered as I am, you and Flipper are killing my Rocket credibility with quotes like this one.
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maquisard wrote: Again, he WILL receive wedding gifts. No similarities. No point there.

A school being careful about boosters giving wedding gifts it not even close to scooter's crime. For one, it's not even a crime. The only possible similarity is the Boise RB will be boinking his babe while scooter will be getting boinked.

It's time to take your yellow glasses off and get another stupid cliche. Skooter's crime is not the same as the 35% of the check marks in the unrelated poll you want to use involving all forms of gambling. It's not "poor toledo" time.

I don't understand why it is so hard for you to understand what I am saying. Forget the whole Toledo thing right now. What I am saying is that the NCAA does things by the book and it is against NCAA rules whether you did what Scooter is alleged to have done or whether you took a wedding gift from your position coach. They are both against NCAA rules and will cost you your athletic eligibility. That is my whole point.

I agree that Scooter's allegations are probably not the same as most of the 35% in that survey, but that is not the point. The point is that if the NCAA is going to tell the Boise State running back he cannot receive a $5 wedding gift from his position coach without losing his athletic eligibility, then they are going to take away someone's athletic eligibility if you get caught making a $20 bet on a sports team.

Now please tell me what part of that you can't understand? Because that my friend is my whole point.........again.
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I guess I get the point. I don't get why it is worth making.
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Falconfreak90 wrote:Just got back from FLA and there was some decent coverage of this in the St Pete Times 2-3 times in the week I was there. Not good news for our friends up the road. :oops:
Wow, that's disappointing to hear and not good news for Toledo. A friend that lives in Chicago said that they haven't talked about it at all there, but he did hear the Dan Patrick ESPN radio show talk about it for a minute or two the other day and that is national. I've been checking some I-A school's message boards and was surprised to find that many of them didn't even have a thread about it. And most of the ones that did only had about 3 or 4 posts on them. The ironic one was that Boston College's message board had a pretty healthy thread about it and they were ripping on UT pretty hard. Very ironic considering their own point-shaving scandal a few years back. Anyway, the school message boards that seemed to have active discussions about it are the following:

Toledo (of course)
Bowling Green
Akron
Boston College
Marshall
Central Michigan
Ohio State
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orangeandbrown wrote:I guess I get the point. I don't get why it is worth making.
Just trying to explain it to maquisard. I didn't think others were having a problem getting the point. For some reason maquisard thinks my point is to try and hide what is happening at Toledo or to say "poor Toledo" which is not the point so to me it is worth making sure he understands what my point is.
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I don't understand why it is so hard for you to understand what I am saying. Forget the whole Toledo thing right now. What I am saying is that the NCAA does things by the book and it is against NCAA rules whether you did what Scooter is alleged to have done or whether you took a wedding gift from your position coach. They are both against NCAA rules and will cost you your athletic eligibility. That is my whole point.

I agree that Scooter's allegations are probably not the same as most of the 35% in that survey, but that is not the point. The point is that if the NCAA is going to tell the Boise State running back he cannot receive a $5 wedding gift from his position coach without losing his athletic eligibility, then they are going to take away someone's athletic eligibility if you get caught making a $20 bet on a sports team.

Now please tell me what part of that you can't understand? Because that my friend is my whole point.........again.[/quote]




It's cute to act like your point is complicated or even relevant. You don't understand the Boise wedding issue and have been wrong about it in almost every post despite changing your wording each time. It has nothing to do with proving what the NCAA will do or not do. It's not a violation, a threat, or even a warning from the NCAA.

Thee point is your poll. It is worthless because scooter does not deserve to be put in the same category of all gambling. You're still looking for the "poor toledo just got caught" sympathy because you typed "...probably not the same as most of the 35% in that survey." If guilty, cooter is not in the same category just like a drug dealer is not in the same category as a guy with a joint in his pocket.

We know the NCAA views this case differently than a friendly wager because of the resources they will expend to go after it. Again, I hope for the best for UT's sake but scooter is a scum bag.
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maquisard wrote: It's cute to act like your point is complicated or even relevant. You don't understand the Boise wedding issue and have been wrong about it in almost every post despite changing your wording each time. It has nothing to do with proving what the NCAA will do or not do. It's not a violation, a threat, or even a warning from the NCAA.

Thee point is your poll. It is worthless because scooter does not deserve to be put in the same category of all gambling. You're still looking for the "poor toledo just got caught" sympathy because you typed "...probably not the same as most of the 35% in that survey." If guilty, cooter is not in the same category just like a drug dealer is not in the same category as a guy with a joint in his pocket.

We know the NCAA views this case differently than a friendly wager because of the resources they will expend to go after it. Again, I hope for the best for UT's sake but scooter is a scum bag.
Wow, just wow! Can anyone else believe what this guy keeps saying? I think it is very clear that I agree that if Scooter is guilty of this he needs to lose all athletic eligibility, be expelled from school, and rot in fail for quite a while. In fact, on the UT board I made a joke yesterday about him getting ready for his future exercises with Bubba.

What I have been trying to tell you has nothing to do with Toledo, Scooter, or even BG for that matter. Don't tell me I don't understand the Boise State wedding, because like I said after my first post I read up on it and I have been consistent ever since. Maybe you are the one that should read up on it.

Since this guy thinks I am playing the "Toledo sympathy game," can a BG fan please explain to this guy that I am not at all. If I am playing the sympathy game then why am I saying that the NCAA needs to set an example with Scooter, any other player involved, and the University of Toledo? My whole point has nothing to do with this incident. My point is that even though one thing may be more severe than another, both would cause you to lose your athletic eligibility with the NCAA.
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Alot of the things you say are accurate and correct, but if "anyone" goes against your opinion or facts, you simply wear them out till they don't give a $hit or make a fool of yourself. That is the reason I normally read your first post on a subject and do not bother to read most of the followups you post.
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To be honest, RF -- even though you said very explicitly that you think Toledo should be punished harshly should the facts come out like most of us think they will, the general tone of a lot of your posts sound like "Yeah, Toledo's in trouble, but look how many other people are doing it too!".

There's a strange dichotomy to what you've been posting. With one breath you;re very harsh towards UT, and with the next, it sounds like you're defending them because "everyone else is doing it too". The defensive attitude, real or imagined, is what some are reacting to.

I think I'd probably be going through a lot of the same internal conflict you are if BG were in this situation.
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Jacobs4Heisman wrote:To be honest, RF -- even though you said very explicitly that you think Toledo should be punished harshly should the facts come out like most of us think they will, the general tone of a lot of your posts sound like "Yeah, Toledo's in trouble, but look how many other people are doing it too!".

There's a strange dichotomy to what you've been posting. With one breath you;re very harsh towards UT, and with the next, it sounds like you're defending them because "everyone else is doing it too". The defensive attitude, real or imagined, is what some are reacting to.

I think I'd probably be going through a lot of the same internal conflict you are if BG were in this situation.

I see what you are saying, but that is not my intent. The reason I have said that it appears to be happening often out there is because it really is, and that is also why I feel that any player and the University should be punished more severely. Maybe doing that will help to deter some kids from doing the same thing that may have already done it or thought about doing it and so forth.

I'm sorry if anyone is taking my tone that way, but it is awfully hard to get a feel for somebody's tone from a post on a message board. It's probably more of a grouping me as a UT fan then actually reading a tone off of my post. We should all be reminded here that they student-athletes are our future and this is about helping them and influencing them to do the right thing. It should not be about Toledo, Bowling Green, who's a better school and who's better at football, or anything like that.

In one of my interviews with Clint Cochran last year he told me something that really sums up what it is all about. He was talking about how important academics are and he said "after all that is why we are all here."

Unfortunately some don't feel that way and are only "here" as a way to try to get to the NFL, but Clint is right. Academics is the reason that those student-athletes are here. They are here to get a college degree and position themselves for their future. I don't care which University it is at and I don't care if they are the star football player or the 4th string bench warmer. And if helping these kids stay on the right path means the NCAA comes down hard to make an example, which I believe is needed, then that is what we should do.
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