SPRING GAME NOTES

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:28 am

I'm worried about the QB, too. We all admit it, here. I don't really think that Coach is going to say something like "our biggest concern right now is at QB" in a press conference. I don't know what's in his head--maybe he isn't worried about QB--but I think that we have to allow for the idea that he can see he has a problem but isn't interested in drawing any additional attention to it.

BGSUFootballFan · Post by **BGSUFootballFan** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:28 am

I didn't attend the game but just read the play by play on the internet and it seems to me that Glaud was the best of the QB's. I would like to see him start for us because I already thought he had the most potential out of the 3, even if he isn't the best right now. I'm not a big TS fan either with all of those INT's he throws. I'd rather AT complete 2 out of 3 short passes than have TS turn the ball over a lot.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:05 am

BGSUFootballFan wrote:I didn't attend the game but just read the play by play on the internet and it seems to me that Glaud was the best of the QB's. I would like to see him start for us because I already thought he had the most potential out of the 3, even if he isn't the best right now. I'm not a big TS fan either with all of those INT's he throws. I'd rather AT complete 2 out of 3 short passes than have TS turn the ball over a lot.

Glaud was the best, but he only threw 6 passes. His long completion accounted for half of his yards, and was not a perfectly thrown ball at all...the WR made a nice adjustment to catch a pass that was thrown to the wrong shoulder.

Sheehan definitely needs to learn to protect the ball. We are not nearly good enough to overcome as many turnovers as he had in the spring game or last season.

The scheme that Turner was running in the spring game will never win you games on a consistent basis. We were constantly rolling him out and giving him only one target to throw at...a WR running a 3 yard out or a RB on a swing. Even when he was completing the passes he was not accurate enough and did not deliver the ball on time for the guy to catch it and turn the 3 yard pass into more very often...most times it was catch and go out of bounds. On AT's interception I have no clue who he was throwing it to. All the WRs were running routes inside of 7 yards and the safety caught it about 15 yards past the LOS. He was dropping into one deep coverage with nobody in the vicinity, looked up, and there was the ball.

With what I saw Saturday we don't yet have a QB capable of leading us to victory in any games against BCS competition, and we'll struggle to be in the MAC East Race. The nice thing is that we still have all summer long to grow, and develop. Omar was terrible in the '04 spring game, and he was outstanding by the time the Oklahoma game arrived. Spring games have very little bearing on the way the team looks for the actual season, it's just a gauge of where we are right now. Right now we've got work to do, but we've got 4+ months to put that work in.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:13 am

I don't know how much of a gauge it is of where we are now. I've always thought it was a nice recruiting opportunity and a method of keeping the fans interested. I don't think it's a time that they're trying to do anything new or groundbreaking.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:26 am

hammb wrote:Omar was terrible in the '04 spring game

And Turner was good enough in the '05 game that it looked like there would be no dropoff once Omar left. 17-28, 278 yards, 4 TDs. So what happened?

moneymaker02 · Post by **moneymaker02** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:57 pm

Warthog wrote:
hammb wrote:Omar was terrible in the '04 spring game
And Turner was good enough in the '05 game that it looked like there would be no dropoff once Omar left. 17-28, 278 yards, 4 TDs. So what happened?

The coaches and departure of all those targets he had for that game. The play calling was so much better back then, now our plays seem so generic its crazy. Also we just don't have the overall talent that we had with Urbans recruiting classes. Another thing to take in note is that I think our defense is better now believe it or not than it was back then. The '05 defense was terrible. Eventhough I'm in the Gluad camp now, when you look at the games where the coaches opened up the playbook (buffalo, OSU, toledo), Turner has performed very well. A player cannot have confidence in himself if he knows the coaches don't have confidence in him to call the plays that need to be called.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:48 pm

moneymaker02 wrote:
Warthog wrote:
hammb wrote:Omar was terrible in the '04 spring game
And Turner was good enough in the '05 game that it looked like there would be no dropoff once Omar left. 17-28, 278 yards, 4 TDs. So what happened?
The coaches and departure of all those targets he had for that game. The play calling was so much better back then, now our plays seem so generic its crazy. Also we just don't have the overall talent that we had with Urbans recruiting classes. Another thing to take in note is that I think our defense is better now believe it or not than it was back then. The '05 defense was terrible. Eventhough I'm in the Gluad camp now, when you look at the games where the coaches opened up the playbook (buffalo, OSU, toledo), Turner has performed very well. A player cannot have confidence in himself if he knows the coaches don't have confidence in him to call the plays that need to be called.

I agree with most all of this. Our WR corps is a shell of what it was back then. I'm no fan of Turner, but you cannot expect any QB to have success (and certainly not any confidence) running the offense that this staff has hamstrung him with. Either he looks awful in practice and they have no confidence that he can do it, or our staff has just forgotten whatever they used to know about offense.

MarkL · Post by **MarkL** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:09 pm

Is it possible that the offense is there and they've been practicing it and are keeping it under wraps until unleasing it upon Minnesota ... catch them by surprise, maybe?? We can all hope - as I remember, the offense Omar commanded in the 2004 spring game was a shell of what was unleashed at Oklahoma and the entire 2004 season. Maybe my memory is bad, though ...

Rollo83 · Post by **Rollo83** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:42 pm

MarkL wrote:Is it possible that the offense is there and they've been practicing it and are keeping it under wraps until unleasing it upon Minnesota ... catch them by surprise, maybe?? We can all hope - as I remember, the offense Omar commanded in the 2004 spring game was a shell of what was unleashed at Oklahoma and the entire 2004 season. Maybe my memory is bad, though ...

Yeah, I can't wait to see this offense we "unleash" on Minnesota...we kept it under wraps all last year too.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:47 pm

Rollo83 wrote:
MarkL wrote:Is it possible that the offense is there and they've been practicing it and are keeping it under wraps until unleasing it upon Minnesota ... catch them by surprise, maybe?? We can all hope - as I remember, the offense Omar commanded in the 2004 spring game was a shell of what was unleashed at Oklahoma and the entire 2004 season. Maybe my memory is bad, though ...
Yeah, I can't wait to see this offense we "unleash" on Minnesota...we kept it under wraps all last year too.

That's my problem with the theory too. I certainly don't expect us to run our full blown offense in the Spring game. It's too early in the offseason and there's no reason to bring out all the wrinkles. The problem is that it looks way too similar to what we ran all of last season for me...

BGSUFootballFan · Post by **BGSUFootballFan** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:48 pm

If we run the exact same offense we did last year it won't matter who our QB is. GOD himself could be recruited and not help us move the ball on a QB draw with the TE in motion and then back. I hope we run the Josh Harris offense with Glaud or an improved and healthier AT. That to me would be WAY better than the Omar type offense with Sheehan. We always scored way too fast in that offense (yes I do believe that can be a problem) especially with our suspect defense and ST's. Also Omar set the record for TD to INT ratio, and the way things look TS is more likely to set the NCAA record for INT to TD ratio. We need to not only score points with our offense, but also give our D a rest and keep our ST's from costing us the game!

edr4225 · Post by **edr4225** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:56 pm

It should be between Glaud and Nate Brown. We all know that Turner doesnt have it and should not see the field and Sheehan has shown no improvement. Glaud needs to be given a chance as the starter and Nate Brown needs to also be in the competition for starting QB. We must give Glaud and Nate Brown serious looks because Sheehan and Turner have had their time as the starter.

mmisbg · Post by **mmisbg** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:03 am

hammb wrote:The scheme that Turner was running in the spring game will never win you games on a consistent basis. We were constantly rolling him out and giving him only one target to throw at...a WR running a 3 yard out or a RB on a swing.

Interesting you should mention that 3 yard out pattern. I don't know why they have him throw those passes. Not because they don't work, but rather because he is not good at throwing them. He almost always throws the ball wide on an out pattern. To be honest, this is my biggest problem with him. I had something come up, and couldn't make the spring game, but unless he has drastically improved on that...well, you get the idea. I just don't think he can lead his target properly when the reciever is runing east/west.

I have no problem with running short yardage plays. It gives the defense time to rest. The out pattern is especially good at putting the ball in a tough place to defend and stopping the clock after some short gain. However, I saw Turner throw the ball wide so many times last season that I became convinced that we need to go a different route.

I would love to be proven wrong. I would love to see our offense get into a rhythm. To be honest, I'm not sure I want our offense to be the potent threat downfield that it was during our "offensive glory days". I agree with keeping the offense on the field longer. However, for that to happen, our offense needs to execute consistently on plays like that out pattern.

Let's hope Brandon knows what he is talking about.

Go Falcons!

moneymaker02 · Post by **moneymaker02** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:17 am

edr4225 wrote:It should be between Glaud and Nate Brown. We all know that Turner doesnt have it and should not see the field and Sheehan has shown no improvement. Glaud needs to be given a chance as the starter and Nate Brown needs to also be in the competition for starting QB. We must give Glaud and Nate Brown serious looks because Sheehan and Turner have had their time as the starter.

you just solidified yourself as an idiot in thinking that nate brown should be given a serious shot when he hasn't done squat in college. You are going by his highlight tape which in actuality wasn't that impressive. Sheehan and Glaud had way more impressive highlight tapes. Nate Brown will be redshirted this year just like Glaud was last year. He will never see the field this season. I get so frustrated when people think that Quarterbacks should be given a shot to start as true freshmen. If he was ready to start at the collegiate level as a freshmen he wouldn't be going to a MAC school. No offense to the MAC but that's just how it is. Do you think Omar was ready to start as a freshmen? hell no. He prolly wasn't ready as a redshirt freshmen. Then in his redshirt junior year he finally got the chance to play and made the most out of it. This is like comparing high school kids that went strait to the NBA, ya they may have potentional and be good in 3 or 4 years but they are still learning the game and still learning they're own body at 18,19, and 20 years old.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:49 am

Don't call people names,you braying jackass. Particularly when you don' even have your facts straight. Omar started his redshirt sophmore year and did great. he played a little bit his redshirt freshman year and did ok. We don't know how well he really would have done his first two years because we had a guy named Josh Harris ahead of him. We don't have a Josh Harris on the roster now, do we?

Right now we have three QB's...that's another wqy of saying we don't have a QB. Do I think it's likely that Brown will play? No...but to suggest he won't play because he's a freshman when the three guys we already have aren't distinguishing themselvves one iota is foolish.

Why did Tyler sheehan play ahead of the more veteran Freddie Barnes last year? Because he was a better QB...even though he was (gasp) a true freshman