ESPN article on the MAC

bgfalcon03 · Post by **bgfalcon03** » Mon May 21, 2007 4:02 pm

Redwingtom wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:I have no problem with a little pyschological mind-game now and then. And I certainly have no problem with getting on guys if you think that's what it takes to get more from them. I have a problem when these tactics are used out in the open, with freshman kickers from half a world away.

Just plain stupid to think those two kids could take excessive amounts of abuse and get the job done. Kickers need different treatment, freshman need different treatment, and kids with no local support structure need different treatment. Combine those three qualities, and perhaps some better judgement could have been used in how to handle them, especially in the media.
Good lord in heaven, but the poor babies in a bubble why don't you. This is ridiculous. These two were given THOUSANDS of dollars in free education and we can't ask this little from them?

Thank you
Finally someone says it!
So he had to go out and kick in the rain after he missed a huge game winning field goal... what about the players who had to play the WHOLE miami game in the mud and the rain!?!

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Mon May 21, 2007 4:08 pm

Boy is this discussion getting ugly.

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Mon May 21, 2007 4:18 pm

Just now getting ugly? No, I'm pretty sure that started on page 1 at about the 5th post or so. Maybe its just that now, a couple of people have different views.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:08 am

PGY Tiercel wrote:Just now getting ugly? No, I'm pretty sure that started on page 1 at about the 5th post or so. Maybe its just that now, a couple of people have different views.

+1

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:36 am

bgfalcon03 wrote:Thank you
Finally someone says it!
So he had to go out and kick in the rain after he missed a huge game winning field goal... what about the players who had to play the WHOLE miami game in the mud and the rain!?!

Yea, they lost the game too. Why didn't they have to practice outside in the crap?

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:40 am

When it comes to building a team isolating players is never a good thing. Even if it's positive you're usually better off discussing the accomplishments of the group, than singling out one individual.

You win as a team, you lose as a team, you practice as a team, you get punished as a team. If Brandon was unhappy with the way the team played in the Miami game, then you punish the entire group. To single out one player for missing one FG is just not the right way to build a team. Unfortunately I'm pretty doubtful that this is an isolated incident of singling out players.

Redwingtom · Post by **Redwingtom** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:21 pm

hammb wrote:When it comes to building a team isolating players is never a good thing. Even if it's positive you're usually better off discussing the accomplishments of the group, than singling out one individual.

You win as a team, you lose as a team, you practice as a team, you get punished as a team. If Brandon was unhappy with the way the team played in the Miami game, then you punish the entire group. To single out one player for missing one FG is just not the right way to build a team. Unfortunately I'm pretty doubtful that this is an isolated incident of singling out players.

The only problem Brian is that we don't know the whole story. We can assume all we want, but we only have the slanted views of an upset parent at this time.

Could Brandon have handled the situation better? Maybe, but we don't know what went on with these two athletes the whole year. And IMHO, I don't think Brandon said anything all that outrageous in public regarding them anyway.

And don't some players respond better to being called out individually? Maybe they were spoken too all year long and it was not sinking in.

Bottom line is that we don't know.

All we do know is that these two decided to quit on their team and school by turning tail and running.

Good riddance.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue May 22, 2007 2:14 pm

Redwingtom wrote:All we do know is that these two decided to quit on their team and school by turning tail and running.

Wrong. We don't know that either.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Tue May 22, 2007 3:59 pm

Warthog wrote:
Redwingtom wrote:All we do know is that these two decided to quit on their team and school by turning tail and running.
Wrong. We don't know that either.

Ummm...yeah. We kinda do know that.

Redwingtom · Post by **Redwingtom** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:00 pm

Warthog wrote:
Redwingtom wrote:All we do know is that these two decided to quit on their team and school by turning tail and running.
Wrong. We don't know that either.

Huh? Are they still on the team?

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:19 pm

I am gonna go out on a limb and say these guys didn't "quit on the team". The coaches may have treated them like crap and caused them to quit the team. But I really cannot believe they quit on the team.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:20 pm

Warthog wrote:I am gonna go out on a limb and say these guys didn't "quit on the team". The coaches may have treated them like crap and caused them to quit the team. But I really cannot believe they quit on the team.

That is one hell of a circle you are talking yourself into.

h2oville rocket · Post by **h2oville rocket** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:26 pm

During four years at UT I saw all kinds of kids quit our team for all kinds of reasons. "Turning tail and running" implies they were somehow cowardly or something. I suppose Greg Oden turned tail and ran as well since he felt he would be better off elsewhere but I really believe that's the bottom line-young men find that the school, team, coach, situation isn't the fit they had hoped for and they move on. It's ludicrous to call them babies after the fact-they made a decision and it was, one would hope, right for them.

Do you really want them on the team if they don't want to be there? I know I do, but my interests aren't necessarily the same as yours.

zeket10 · Post by **zeket10** » Tue May 22, 2007 8:04 pm

At least they had the guts to quit, there are some people that probally hate the way they are treated on the football team. But they don't want to quit because they are afraid everyone will call them a coward, and what everyone will think of them. Hey if they want to go let them go, however if GB treated the players that are leaving badly, they will tell other recruits about how they were treated, and that might hurt our recruting in south Florida.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue May 22, 2007 8:04 pm

I think it's equally as likely they were ran off the team as much as they quit on the team. I don't think Brandon wanted them here any longer and he got what he wanted. Good for him.

I'll get what I want in 2 years.