New Ask the AD up 7/25/07

[Flipper]

We should have solved the genocide in Darfur before changing the logo.

Now before I " go there" or request that you "talk to the hand" or "get jiggy with it" or whatever Springeresque slang from 2002 we'd like to use...I have to ask something...why do you people care so goddamned much about the logo? It's not like it has ALWAYS been our logo...The old one was nice....but it's not like it was the NY Yankees pinstripes.

The change was made...stamp your little loafers and complain about all you want. Naysay he decision based on the cost all you want...it really doesn't matter because the cost isn't REALLY the issue for you. They took away your beloved falcon head blankie and that's made you collicy

Take an enema and deal with it....

You truly are earning your title as global village idiot today Flipper. And actually READ the E'FFING posts for a change, since I already said it isn't going to do any good and that I already figured that.

It hasn't always been the logo, big deal, if you could read you'd have noted I already said that. And you'd also have read my point that you can pull things like that out of your arse, cobble them together, and try to make it seem like you have support for something.

As for why we or anybody cares? Since that reason is likely beyond you, lets ask why you want to play the role of colossal prick this week as some of your own fellow fans lament the loss of a bit of valued tradition?

Niz, very true, lots of good things are going on, never questioned that. But keep it in context. Sure the main campus is coming together, etc. I'm mentioning those points in making the point that the justification for these changes don't wash. And before Flipper goes even more bonkers for whatever reason, I know full well all of their talk is simply standard white-wash for something they were going to do anyway, regardless of what anybody said.

I do try to read your posts...I really do...no I don't...exposure to twaddle makes me itch....Soooooooooo, the gist of this whole epic exercise in futility is that you don't care, but you do, you can't change anything by complaining, but ya are and you don't like unpaved lots and some sign out by the freeway.

If you don't want to cut the sign down...maybe you could just paint a little "State University"" on it or "BGSU"

[eRichFalcon]

At the risk of sounding like I really don't pay attention to my surroundings while driving (which I don't, I suppose), what is this freeway sign in question?

[Flipper]

Truthfully...I don't even know what sign we're discussing...

Anyway, the thing that excites me most abut this whole process is that we seem to have an AD that wants to build/market BG athletics as a brand.
Part of that process is settling on a primary mark. Yes, I know we had one before, but it really isn't that visually stimulating, it was flat and one dimensional and it didn't clearly identify us to those not familiar with the Unversity. I know some of you are really attached to it on a gut level, but your sentimental attachments can't be the primary factor in determining how the department is marketed.

I think the decision to incorporate the updated "space ghost" version of the logo into the interlocking "BG" make sense form a marketing standpoint. It clearly defines us, it has a more active visual appeal and it incorporates a version of our past.

I definitely think something had to be done to address the drift that we were seeing from sport to sport...different fonts, symbols, placement of symbols...it's not unusual for there to be some meandering when you're tryig out a new logo...but eventually a decsion has to be made about unifying the approach if you're going to move forward wiht a concistent brand image. It's far easier to make an imprint on people's minds if you're hitting them with a consistent visual message.

Going forward...I'll be interested in seeing what our "brand" wil be marketed as. We aren't "The Ohio State University"...but we have a lot to work with.

[Warthog]

At the risk of sounding like I really don't pay attention to my surroundings while driving (which I don't, I suppose), what is this freeway sign in question?

On the Northbound exit ramp off I-75, there is a sign the says "Bowling Green University" with an arrow pointing left (West).

[NWLB]

Flipper, I'd tell you to "talk to the hand" but it itches when drooled on by village idiots.

The sign I am talking about, it is on the east side of I-75, next to a chunk of land the University owns. For decades they've tried to make it some kind of research-enterprise park. They had some luck getting a few people to build out there recently. But overall the project has never really taken off.

The sign dates back to a time when the former University president thought it would sound better to drop the State from the name, for the purpose of the project. Of course, you still had BGSU in lights just across the highway. The sign wasn’t bad looking. But in recent years the University seal has faded to leave a big orange dot. The name is of course, not the proper one of the University.

As for the football parking lot, some more points and details.

As old-timers know, I-75 was built through the area shortly after DLP was underway. For a long time, the grounds crew would store the extra batting cage, tarp rolls, and odd stuff at the base of the hill below the I-75 off-ramp. Krebs took care of that almost immediately after becoming the AD. Curiously, the grassy area along that section, isn’t actually intended to be as such. Take a close look, and you’ll notice most of the grassy area in the south-east section of football parking, is in fact grown-over parking lot.

The illustrations of the newest University Master Plan, call for the area to be reworked to incorporate more green space, real pavement, and less linear lot designs, as to break-up the currently unappealing look. More trees have long been called for along that area, but nothing ever gets done.

For historical perspective, the on-campus parking along Alumni Drive wasn’t paved until about my freshmen year in 1992. Legend says it was paid for with parking ticket fees.

My point in mentioning both items was to compare how the AD talks about the need for consistent and improved images for public consumption, while two very plain things have remained in the public eye for decades.

[Flipper]

You're still comparing apples to oranges...the sign...wherever it actually is, sounds like somthing ODOT would have control over.

I really don't see a connection between the creation of a new primary mark and a parking lot...one is a marketing issue and the other is a facilities issue....if you're suggesting that we put the entire marketing initiative on hold until the stadium, its grounds and all signage near the stadium that we do and do not control are up to your specific standards....well...I kinda think you're asking for too much.

So......I guess we can pretty much sum this discussion up in the following manner. You think we should not have changed the logo until we pave the lot and I think you're even more insane than the Gregg Brandon haters

[NWLB]

Days like this I pray for airbag failures and long lost chunks of Skylab hitting certain people!

The sign and lot aren't reasons I feel as I do. But I can't break things down any simpler for you, without resortin to grunts and dancing around fire.

[Flipper]

Just admit that you're being a big baby and I'll stop tormenting you...

[NWLB]

AM NOT!

GRRRAAAANNNNT! Flipper's picking on me!

In any case, your annoying, not tormenting.

[Bleeding Orange]

NWLB, I'm afraid Flipper has you nailed on this one.

[NWLB]

Whatever you'd like to believe, I'm sure your additional comment was required.

[Bleeding Orange]

Whatever you'd like to believe, I'm sure your additional comment was required.

Man, you're just pissy about everything, aren't you?

[Jacobs4Heisman]

I think the NCAA football championship should be determined by a playoff.

[NWLB]

Whatever you'd like to believe, I'm sure your additional comment was required.

Man, you're just pissy about everything, aren't you?

I'm in a pissy mood about this, Flippers incessant blabber, your bothering to post a response just as the entire thread was about to finally die in the generally good natured way things do here. Sure.

I really feel little motivation to be polite in this particular case. Not so much towards somebody as the event itself. And as I said, I've known it was coming, knew the new AD would act on the old plans, etc. I'm sure I'd have gotten pissy about this a year ago, now, or ten years from now.

I have a full right to be pissy, I intend to be. My other points weren't offered to offend or to solicit debate. I consider them valid, and thats about that. I'll fence about on that tact, in this thread, for as long as somebody wants too. You don't have to read it if you don't like, but I'll play this out until hell freezes over, or a moderator, like Flipper closes it.

[NWLB]

I think the NCAA football championship should be determined by a playoff.