New Helmets

[hammb]

a bad copy of the PC created Red Hawk...its just all so sad.

I'm fascinated. So our new logo is now the product of political correctness -- the biggest right wing windmill since "welfare queens?"

Do explain. Or, better yet, maybe we could bring that knucklehead David Horowitz to campus to explain to us how a shadowy conspiracy of feminazis and radical environmentaliss fostered the new logo.

Hard to figure out what MACMAN's thinking on a regular basis, but I think what he's saying is this:

Miami's logo was forced due to political correctness (when they changed from the Redskins)
He feels that our new logo was a bad copy of that political correctness created Miami logo.


Of course I don't agree. I don't think our new logo was a copy of Miami's at all. I think it was just a poorly done "modernization" of our traditional logo. However, some people don't feel the need to post how much they hate the logo in every single post

[Rightupinthere]

a bad copy of the PC created Red Hawk...its just all so sad.

I'm fascinated. So our new logo is now the product of political correctness -- the biggest right wing windmill since "welfare queens?"

Do explain. Or, better yet, maybe we could bring that knucklehead David Horowitz to campus to explain to us how a shadowy conspiracy of feminazis and radical environmentaliss fostered the new logo.

Remember your motto, Schad: "Just assume generally disagree with everything you post until you hear otherwise."

[Schadenfreude]

Remember your motto, Schad: "Just assume generally disagree with everything you post until you hear otherwise."

I was referring to Tekeninny with that.

In the case at hand, I probably over-reacted. It does seem possible, even likely, that he was alluding to Miami's shift from Redskins to RedHawks.

Now, to me, if the Miami Tribe of Oklahoma -- the original inhabitants of the territory upon which Miami University stands, the people for whom the university was ultimately named -- felt strongly enough about the "Redskins" nickname that they asked Miami U. to stop, then I don't think it was exactly boneheaded or radical and elitist for Miami U. to choose to stop.

But that's just me.

At least Macman's post makes more sense now. Sorry, Mac.

[Dr.Sooner]

BG should have not changed their helmets. The Falcon logo is tradition plain and simple. Why change just for the sake of change? People around the country recognized that logo as Bowling Green. They do not need to see BG to know its Bowling Green. Who ever made this decision needs to get a clue. Over 30 years of success flushed down the toilet for the sake of change. It is very sad. You don't see Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Miami, UCLA, Alabama, LSU, ND, Nebraska, Texas, FSU, Georgia, Penn St Etc. changing their helmet design in such a radical fashion. Again, very stupid decision!

[Falcon Fanatic]

BG should have not changed their helmets. The Falcon logo is tradition plain and simple. Why change just for the sake of change? People around the country recognized that logo as Bowling Green. They do not need to see BG to know its Bowling Green. Who ever made this decision needs to get a clue. Over 30 years of success flushed down the toilet for the sake of change. It is very sad. You don't see Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Miami, UCLA, Alabama, LSU, ND, Nebraska, Texas, FSU, Georgia, Penn St Etc. changing their helmet design in such a radical fashion. Again, very stupid decision!

Thank you!!!

[eRichFalcon]

And once again, we're comparing Bowling Green to the most storied schools in the history of college football, exactly what myself and others scolded MACMAN for. I would love it if we could be a part of that list, but it just isn't the case.

And we didn't change for the sake of change. The reasoning is addressed in July 25's "Ask the AD". Whether you agree with his reasonings or not, to say that the change was made for the sake of change is just plain inaccurate.

[hammb]

And once again, we're comparing Bowling Green to the most storied schools in the history of college football, exactly what myself and others scolded MACMAN for. I would love it if we could be a part of that list, but it just isn't the case.

And we didn't change for the sake of change. The reasoning is addressed in July 25's "Ask the AD". Whether you agree with his reasonings or not, to say that the change was made for the sake of change is just plain inaccurate.

Disagree.

He stated that the reason was to unite the university & athletics under one logo.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why it could not have been the traditional logo.

[zeket10]

I wonder if Boise State Broncos have always had the same logo or many other WAC and MAC schools? I goin to check that out.

[zeket10]

Scroll down on the helmet project, and you can see how helmet changes in the MAC. When you look at bigger schools they normally don't change helmets as much as smaller schools do. Smaller schools change so much to catch the average fans eye so they can get attention.http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/

P.S. Check out how many times we changed logo this is not the first or second time

[Flipper]

And once again, we're comparing Bowling Green to the most storied schools in the history of college football, exactly what myself and others scolded MACMAN for. I would love it if we could be a part of that list, but it just isn't the case.

And we didn't change for the sake of change. The reasoning is addressed in July 25's "Ask the AD". Whether you agree with his reasonings or not, to say that the change was made for the sake of change is just plain inaccurate.

Disagree.

He stated that the reason was to unite the university & athletics under one logo.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why it could not have been the traditional logo.

I can think of three reasons right off the top of my head

1) It's not very dynamic visually

2) It doesn't look like a falcon head to a number of people

3) It doesn't clearly identify us...unless we want to become Louisiana Tech

[Dayons_Den]

COMPARING BG to "BIG TIME" PROGRAMS THAT HAVE TINKERED WITH THEIR HELMETS OVER THE SAME PERIOD:

School (different helmets since 1980)
Bowling Green (4)
Maryland (6)
NC State (6)
Virginia (5)
Virginia Tech (4)
Louisville (9)
Syracuse (5) and they have a "traditional" look
Illinois (5)
Michigan State (9) they are similar to us in they have a logo and a letter set they can use and they like changing it
Minnesoda (7)
Purdue (6)
Colorado (4)
Iowa State (7)
Kansas (11)
Kansas State (5)
Mizzou (4)
Oklahoma State (4)
Texas Tech (4)
Arizona (5)
Arizona State (5)
Oregon State (9)

Now Lets Compare BG's 4 changes since 1980 to the rest of the M.A.C.:
Akron (9) including a color change from yellow to metalic gold
Buffalo (8)
Kent State (7)
Miami (10)
Ohio U. (5)
Temple (6)
Ball St. (3)
Central Mich(5)
Eastern Mich(10) inlcudes a silver helmet that wasn't even part of their official colors
Northern Ill. (6)
Bancroft High (3)
WMU (7) including the departure of BROWN for gold


Couple things come to mind- once the helmets win or lose games this discussion will really matter and two at least we didn't change our colors!!!

[BGDrew]

An art student with a calligraphic pen does not portray the same message as a logo which tells you the name of the school and the mascot in one picture. In terms of design, it's a perfect logo.

[Class of 61]

COMPARING BG to "BIG TIME" PROGRAMS THAT HAVE TINKERED WITH THEIR HELMETS OVER THE SAME PERIOD:

School (different helmets since 1980)
Bowling Green (4)
Maryland (6)
NC State (6)
Virginia (5)
Virginia Tech (4)
Louisville (9)
Syracuse (5) and they have a "traditional" look
Illinois (5)
Michigan State (9) they are similar to us in they have a logo and a letter set they can use and they like changing it
Minnesoda (7)
Purdue (6)
Colorado (4)
Iowa State (7)
Kansas (11)
Kansas State (5)
Mizzou (4)
Oklahoma State (4)
Texas Tech (4)
Arizona (5)
Arizona State (5)
Oregon State (9)

Now Lets Compare BG's 4 changes since 1980 to the rest of the M.A.C.:
Akron (9) including a color change from yellow to metalic gold
Buffalo (8)
Kent State (7)
Miami (10)
Ohio U. (5)
Temple (6)
Ball St. (3)
Central Mich(5)
Eastern Mich(10) inlcudes a silver helmet that wasn't even part of their official colors
Northern Ill. (6)
Bancroft High (3)
WMU (7) including the departure of BROWN for gold


Couple things come to mind- once the helmets win or lose games this discussion will really matter and two at least we didn't change our colors!!!

DD,
Some good points...not sure if the helmet site shows how OSU's helmets have changed, but I can remember them being gray with a wide red section in the middle...many years ago.... Don't know why we're making a big issue of this...we're still BG, no matter the logo... (and YES, I did like the "old" one).

[Falconfreak90]

I agree Den. I love the traditional "LT" logo to death...so much it's tattooed on my leg with an interlocking BG. The change as been made whether we like it or not...and I'm pretty divided right now. I can see both sides. As you said, we're BG no matter what. I really like the new logo on the fifty at the Doyt. Change happens..Even the mighty Buck$ changed their jerseys a year or two ago and they all went crazy saying how much it looked like Wisky's.

I don't care what our teams wear as long as it's burnt orange and seal brown.

GO FALCONS!

[hammb]

Honestly I'm over it.

These things change from time to time.

I think I could handle the change a little better if I didn't dislike the new logo so much, but so be it. It won't affect our ability to win on Saturdays, so it's not my biggest concern. I still prefer the helmets of a few years back when they still had the white in the center, I thought that was vital in helping the logo stand out.

I just chimed in that I disagreed with the notion that Christopher gave a great reason for the change. Changing to a completely new logo that most people throughout the country have never seen (remember it was on retail items only up until a year or two, and retail BG gear isn't exactly wide-spread), is not the way to increase recognizability. I can fully understand wanting to unite the university under one logo, but that is not a good reason to unite under the new versus the old.

I'm guessing that the people in upper spots in the AD now believe Flip's reasons that the traditional logo doesn't look like a bird & that it looks like "LT". I can say I've never heard that before this website (and even then, only in the last 12 months or so), but I'm hardly well traveled.

It is what it is, and the old logo is likely going to be gone completely in the next 10 years. I think the problem is not that I'm so attached to the old logo & resist change, as much as I really dislike the new logo. Something about it rubs me the wrong way, and I'm not sure what it is. Against conventional wisdom, I actually I think I hate the new logo more each time I see it and the more common it becomes...it just doesn't appeal to me visually, for whatever reason. Either way, I can rest assured that this logo will be changed in good time anyways, so I'll get over it. I've got a feeling I'll like whatever next logo we get better than the spacehost/redhawk/gay logo