Ryan at the Blade brings the early practice observations

[BGFootball]

Thanks for the info...how bad is Cheatem's shoulder? SO far as Geter goes... that kid just explodes into another gear.

Not to pick nits...but if the ST do a 360, that will put us right back to where we were before. A circle has 360 degrees...a 180 is perhaps what you meant...

Lol yes that is what I meant, been a long day, cut me some slack ...

About Cheatems shoulder...I am not positive how bad it is, but I have heard from very reliable sources that it is really bad. If I hear a time frame for his return I will let you guys know.

Geter definately just changes into another gear. I am also impressed with his hands out of the back field. The coaches have been workin with him to teach him to run better routes, but he is coming along extremely well. It seems to me Bulluck may have moved behind Macon on the depth chart as well, but I am not positive on that. I think he may be dinged up a bit or something.

Another player I noticed was Derek Brighton. He had hurt his ACL at the start of camp but is already back in pads but not 100 percent. That kid has great hands though. He reminds me a lot of Partridge.

I have been a huge supporter of AT and think he has what it takes to be a good QB. It just seems as if the coaches have their minds set on Sheehan already because AT doesn't get any snaps with first team. AT has been playing just as well as Tyler has this camp and I know that many of the players prefer AT. We'll see how that shapes out in the next couple of weeks.

[MACMAN]

I'm telling you...Keston Cheatem is going to be the man from this year's class....at least until Nate Brown and Willie Geter gain some seasoning.

It woun't make a bit of difference if our QB's don't come around....if AT doesn't step up and seize this job, I will be concerned come September 01.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... 3/70812005

AT cant come around, its imposible did you watch him at all last season, he is not ever going to be a good qb...this is season is lost esp if try it with him.

This is an absurdly ignorant comment. The number of players (especially QBs) who have gone from looking lost to becoming stars is unfathomable. It happens all the time, and it could potentially happen here...especially when you're talking about a QB like Turner who has all the physical tools and has just not put it together mentally.

I wasn't enthused about his play last year, and quite frankly I'd just as soon look in another direction than try to wait him out any longer. Still, to make a statement like that certainly makes one think Flipper may be on to something.

Have you ever seen some one try to play gold that just doesnt get it? Has no ability and just keeps trying. Sure they "play golf" alot...and have fun...but they suck and could never be considered competitve. AT is this person, but he trying to be a QB the leader of a football of team...listen its real simple...either youve got or you dont and last years preseaon he showed he did not have a glimmer and then he proved it inthe season time and time again he did not gain any composure all season, and he doesnt have this preseason...he SUcKS. GB just like beating dead horses and he sucks as a HC...he was a good OC...but hes no head coach...
AT will likely lead the MAC and D1 in ITN this year

[BGFootball]

I'm telling you...Keston Cheatem is going to be the man from this year's class....at least until Nate Brown and Willie Geter gain some seasoning.

It woun't make a bit of difference if our QB's don't come around....if AT doesn't step up and seize this job, I will be concerned come September 01.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... 3/70812005

AT cant come around, its imposible did you watch him at all last season, he is not ever going to be a good qb...this is season is lost esp if try it with him.

This is an absurdly ignorant comment. The number of players (especially QBs) who have gone from looking lost to becoming stars is unfathomable. It happens all the time, and it could potentially happen here...especially when you're talking about a QB like Turner who has all the physical tools and has just not put it together mentally.

I wasn't enthused about his play last year, and quite frankly I'd just as soon look in another direction than try to wait him out any longer. Still, to make a statement like that certainly makes one think Flipper may be on to something.

Have you ever seen some one try to play gold that just doesnt get it? Has no ability and just keeps trying. Sure they "play golf" alot...and have fun...but they suck and could never be considered competitve. AT is this person, but he trying to be a QB the leader of a football of team...listen its real simple...either youve got or you dont and last years preseaon he showed he did not have a glimmer and then he proved it inthe season time and time again he did not gain any composure all season, and he doesnt have this preseason...he SUcKS. GB just like beating dead horses and he sucks as a HC...he was a good OC...but hes no head coach...
AT will likely lead the MAC and D1 in ITN this year

shut up already, ur the one beatin the dead horse...you just have beef with AT for some reason...I think its funny how you call AT a "crack head" and such names like that, yet a thread I read the other day talking about charles sharon, you were congratulating him on how hes doing, even though his off the field incident recently...why do you not hold all players to this standard? or is it ok, because hes in the pros?

[BGGrad01]

Turner threw 5 picks in 250+ attempts last year. Sheehan threw 4 in only 43 attempts. I don't see AT leading the MAC, let alone the country, in picks this year if he is our starter.

Frankly, I don't care who our starting QB is as long as he can lead us to the MAC championship. For a couple reasons though I hope that AT can step it up in the last 3 weeks of camp and take the 1st team role back from Tyler. First, so that MACMAN can run away, but, more importantly, so that AT has a shot to live up to the hype from when he came to BG. The kid's physical tools are way too good for him to be riding the pine. Here's to hoping he finishes camp strongly.

[hammb]

I'm telling you...Keston Cheatem is going to be the man from this year's class....at least until Nate Brown and Willie Geter gain some seasoning.

It woun't make a bit of difference if our QB's don't come around....if AT doesn't step up and seize this job, I will be concerned come September 01.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... 3/70812005

AT cant come around, its imposible did you watch him at all last season, he is not ever going to be a good qb...this is season is lost esp if try it with him.

This is an absurdly ignorant comment. The number of players (especially QBs) who have gone from looking lost to becoming stars is unfathomable. It happens all the time, and it could potentially happen here...especially when you're talking about a QB like Turner who has all the physical tools and has just not put it together mentally.

I wasn't enthused about his play last year, and quite frankly I'd just as soon look in another direction than try to wait him out any longer. Still, to make a statement like that certainly makes one think Flipper may be on to something.

Have you ever seen some one try to play gold that just doesnt get it? Has no ability and just keeps trying. Sure they "play golf" alot...and have fun...but they suck and could never be considered competitve. AT is this person, but he trying to be a QB the leader of a football of team...listen its real simple...either youve got or you dont and last years preseaon he showed he did not have a glimmer and then he proved it inthe season time and time again he did not gain any composure all season, and he doesnt have this preseason...he SUcKS. GB just like beating dead horses and he sucks as a HC...he was a good OC...but hes no head coach...
AT will likely lead the MAC and D1 in ITN this year

Have you ever even watched college football?

Turner was a bad QB last year. He was inconsistent and way too erratic. His good times were not good enough to outweigh his bad times. I'll agree with that. But I also don't think Sheehan was any better...if anything he may have been worse.

There are plenty of QBs who are bad one year and good the next. At the very least it seems completely foolish to not expect at least some improvement. Brady Quinn wasn't real good as a FR/SO, but had a terrific final two seasons. Harris improved dramatically as a passer his Jr. year. Omar was far better his SO year than he was when he played as a RS Freshman. I laughed at Gradkowski when I saw his first start, and he ended up a darn good player. The list can go on forever. For you to say he has no chance to be better is just ludicrous.

All that being said, I'm not a fan of Turner. Not because I think he's worthless, but because I haven't seen much improvement in the mental side of his game over the past few years. I'm glad the staff has opened up the starting position for competition and let the best man win. Personally I think Turner has more physical talent than Sheehan, but the time is now for AT to step up. If Sheehan beats him out, then I'll be glad to root for Sheehan. If AT wins the job I hope he'll show some growth as a player.

Your blind hatred, filled with incoherent ramblings is starting to grow real old.


BO: The WR who caught that TD was Kelvin Davis, and he's no longer listed on the current roster.

Hope I didn't scare him off

[cowboyjoe]

Can anyone say Barnes? He would be looking pretty good in the shot gun about now, heh?

[Jacobs4Heisman]

Can anyone say Barnes? He would be looking pretty good in the shot gun about now, heh?

I see your hiatus wasn't spent learning.

[cowboyjoe]

How on earth do you think he would be any worse than what we have right now. Another year stronger and already a great runner.

[Flipper]

AT's TD/INT ratio last year was 11-5....factor in a couple of drops and the pass interference call against Akron and it's probably closer to 15-5. INT's were not Turner's problem last year. Consistency was......

Barnes at QB... yeah...he's such a great QB he's lining up at WR. Do you know how the rest of us know that Barnes isn't a QB? We've seen him try (and the emphasis is decidely on "try") to throw the ball 20 yards downfield.
Barnes is a great athlete and I think he's going to do some wonderful things this year, but he isn't going to do them as a QB.

[cowboyjoe]

He couldn't throw the ball down field 20 yards as a freshman..Harris was playing tailback as a freshman so things can change...according to the article he's a lot stronger this year...it is in my opinion that he would do very well if given the snaps with another year of experience and strength...I pray every day that AT can get it done because he is a great talent...but if I see many more 3 and 4's going 10 yards over a receiver's head it may drive me to drink! Wait I already drink.. well it will drive me nuts.

[BGSU33]

About Cheatems shoulder...I am not positive how bad it is, but I have heard from very reliable sources that it is really bad. If I hear a time frame for his return I will let you guys know.

Damn! Not the kind of news you ever want to hear. Please keep us in the loop with what you continue to hear. I really hope it's not bad and that he can play this year. He sounds like he could be a real boast for us at the WR position.

[BGFootball]

First off cowboy, im drunk right now, and I still think your statement about barnes is ludicrous. Barnes wont ever be at QB again and well...right now hes hurt anyways, so that wouldnt even be an option. He will be a great receiver for us though and definately open up the opportunities for some trick plays.

and yes 33, I will keep ya updated on what I hear...

[hammb]

Playing Barnes at QB is simply ludicrous. The ONLY reason he ever got a shot at QB was because of Turner's "incident" and later health issues; while Brandon didn't want to pull the redshirt off of Sheehan. Eventually it got to the point where Barnes was so bad we had no choice but to try Sheehan.

Freddie may be stronger this year, but arm strength doesn't change a whole lot. You either have it or you don't and he didn't have it. Watching that KSU game should tell anyone that knows anything about football that Barnes is not a collegiate QB. The Kent State coaching staff basically said they weren't going to cover any pass more than 15 yards from the LOS because they knew our QB couldn't throw it that far. If he was EVER going to prove he could make those throws that was the day to do it, because there was absolutely no coverage downfield. He didn't even try, because he knew as well that he couldn't make those throws.

Harris may have been playing QB, but he had a strong arm from day 1. As I said, arm strength doesn't really develop a whole lot. The best you can really hope for is increased velocity through mechanics and some strengthening of your core. Mostly arm strength is a god given talent, one Barnes doesn't have.

Freddie Barnes will make a fine WR for us, but he will never play QB again. For that I'm thankful, because even the erratic Anthony Turner was an improvement over Barnes last year.

[Flipper]

BGfootball...do you think the coaches are really settling on Sheehan or are they trying to light a fire under AT by working him more with the second unit?

AT more or less got the starting gig by default last year and the year before when Omar got hurt...that isn't the way you want to pick a QB.
It sure sounds like Brandon wants somebody to step up and TAKE that job, but neither Sheehan nor Turner seem to be doing that right now...does this open the door for Glaud?

[Warthog]

It sure sounds like Brandon wants somebody to step up and TAKE that job, but neither Sheehan nor Turner seem to be doing that right now...does this open the door for Glaud?

Or Nate Brown???