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BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:15 pm

This argument has no point.

There is no NCAA national championship in football.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:16 pm

BGDrew wrote:This argument has no point.

There is no NCAA national championship in football.

Tell that to the other 3 divisons.

pdt1081 · Post by **pdt1081** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:10 pm

bgsufalcon24 wrote: I know that winning the NC in football would require going unbeaten at least one season, maybe even two because we wouldn't be #1 or #2 after the first year. It seems impossible and maybe I'm delusional, but I think we've got a better shot at that than hockey winning the NC. We'd have to finish top 3/4 in the CCHA to make the NCAA tourney, then win 4 games in a row against the top teams in the country to win it all. That's just not possible right now for our hockey program. I don't think winning 1 out of 4 of those NCAA tourney games is possible right now, much less all 4 (unless we're facing Michigan, we always seem to beat them) Maybe once the program looks at least a little bit competent I'll change my tune.

Lastly - to say that we don't have tradition in football is bullshit^3.

Funny thing about that is, all the hockey team has to do is win the CCHA playoffs to make the NCAA tourney. So that means they actually have a shot every year at winning it.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:31 am

Funny thing about that is, all the hockey team has to do is win the CCHA playoffs to make the NCAA tourney. So that means they actually have a shot every year at winning it.[/quote]

BINGO
and thats what makes conference titles and True National championships worth playing for...not to mention there is no 6 week halt in action prior to the games...those guys were drinking very dark beer...i have it! lets pick any two good teams from the most popular conferences and have them play a game 6 weeks after their last competitive outing and we will call it a Championship.
Brilliant! and toss some ESPN sports analyst hype for good measure

BGicehockeyfan1 · Post by **BGicehockeyfan1** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:55 pm

The football facility should no longer be an impediment to recruiting like the ice arena is. Once you have first class facilities, you will get first class athletes. Look at Miami of Ohio. They have built 2 new ice arenas since ours was built. They are ranked in the top 10 nationally. This is one of the few sports we can ever grab national attention at BGSU.

VDub26Falcon · Post by **VDub26Falcon** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:38 pm

MACMAN wrote:those guys were drinking very dark beer

You got beef with Dark Beer??? Stout is the Sh!t!!!

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:48 pm

no actually its what I reach for when I want to taste something in the land of Beer.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:19 pm

svillefalcon wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote:
PegCityFalcon wrote:True BG hockey finishes last....but would you rather play in a major conference play top teams and beat them on occasion and finish last... or in a basically play Division 2 i.e. the Mid American Conference play nobody anyone has herd of other than Miami and still not win conference?
The AD needs to focus on a sport we have tradition in, as well as a chance at a National Championship.

Yes, I'm biased because I love hockey, but MAC football is a joke period.
I'm not sure that we have a better chance of winning the NC in hockey than we do in hockey, right now. Certainly in the not too distant past we had a much better shot on the ice than on the grass...err turf. After all we did win the title in 1984. However, the football team is at least competent to some degree, while hockey is not. Football has only had 1 losing season in the last 6 and are standing .500 this year. .500 is a dissapointment for the football team most years. But hockey, if our hockey went .500 I'd be thrilled! As it stands right now I think Scott Paluch is a terrible coach that can't recruit, and as long as he is here the program is going absolutely nowhere. Gregg Brandon looks like Bo Schembechler compared to Paluch.

I know that winning the NC in football would require going unbeaten at least one season, maybe even two because we wouldn't be #1 or #2 after the first year. It seems impossible and maybe I'm delusional, but I think we've got a better shot at that than hockey winning the NC. We'd have to finish top 3/4 in the CCHA to make the NCAA tourney, then win 4 games in a row against the top teams in the country to win it all. That's just not possible right now for our hockey program. I don't think winning 1 out of 4 of those NCAA tourney games is possible right now, much less all 4 (unless we're facing Michigan, we always seem to beat them) Maybe once the program looks at least a little bit competent I'll change my tune.

Lastly - to say that we don't have tradition in football is bullshit^3.
To say that we have a better chance to win a National Championship in football than in hockey is ridculous. First off, even if we went undefeated 3 years in a row I don't think we would make to the NC game, let alone, win it. And lets not even talk about going undefeated in football, because we all know that isnt going to happen, atleast not in the next 15 years. Calling the football team competent has much to be desired, this team has probably the least amount of focus I have seen since I've been at BG. They have talent, but are not focused at the task at hand to get anything done.

Hockey on the otherhand would be much easier to win a national title. We have talent on this team. We are just VERY young. To say that Paluch cant recruit is a little far-fetched as well, He only brought in the 9 best freshman forward this past year in Cepis, and it looks as if Kantola will be a real stud. Paluch can recruit, he just has a hard time of getting the kids to buy into his system, which is bad in and of itself. We can compete with the Michigan's, Ohio State's, Michigan State's of hockey, but there is no way in hell that we will ever be able to compete with those schools in football. The hockey team will show much improvement this year. Personally, I am more excited about the Hockey and basketball seasons, than I am for the rest of the football season.

I hate to be a downer, but what makes you think that hockey is going to have a better season than football? Football is .500. Yes I realize that the hockey team plays tougher opposition, but we haven't been anywhere near .500 the last two seasons. Maybe its true that we had a great recruiting class this season, but even if its true recruiting isn't everything. Like you said, players have had trouble buying into Paluch's system, and if that continues the struggles on the ice will likely continue. Football had their worst season since 2000 last year at 4-8, and yet that was better than what hockey did.

Macman talks about breaking out of the cellar every year. I really hope he's right and that we do have a great season this year. But after seeing complete incompetence last season and not much better the year before that, to quote Bill Parcells in the commercial, "I'm going to need to see, some visual evidence," of this turnaround before I start drinking the kool-aid.

Here's a good baseline for you. We played Michigan State in football this year, we lost 28-17. The way that game went, that was like a 1-goal loss in hockey, or maybe a 2-goal loss via an empty netter late. I don't know when we play MSU this year but it'll be interesting to see if hockey fares better or worse than football, since you are so adamant that hockey should do better. We played OSU in football in 2006 and got creamed, but I think hockey got blasted both games as well (does anybody remember the scores)

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:45 pm

The point being every season our players take the ice they are playing for a National Championship, win or loose we are in the mix, we have an equal chance.
our football team has no chance of being elected National champs, or even playing "in the game".

***on the other hand we have sunk tons of cash into football and the reality of that is it has not gotten us more, or better recruits, mainly because those athletes know that outside of the MAC Championship there is nothing.

San Fran Falcon · Post by **San Fran Falcon** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:34 pm

svillefalcon wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote:
PegCityFalcon wrote:True BG hockey finishes last....but would you rather play in a major conference play top teams and beat them on occasion and finish last... or in a basically play Division 2 i.e. the Mid American Conference play nobody anyone has herd of other than Miami and still not win conference?
The AD needs to focus on a sport we have tradition in, as well as a chance at a National Championship.

Yes, I'm biased because I love hockey, but MAC football is a joke period.
I'm not sure that we have a better chance of winning the NC in hockey than we do in hockey, right now. Certainly in the not too distant past we had a much better shot on the ice than on the grass...err turf. After all we did win the title in 1984. However, the football team is at least competent to some degree, while hockey is not. Football has only had 1 losing season in the last 6 and are standing .500 this year. .500 is a dissapointment for the football team most years. But hockey, if our hockey went .500 I'd be thrilled! As it stands right now I think Scott Paluch is a terrible coach that can't recruit, and as long as he is here the program is going absolutely nowhere. Gregg Brandon looks like Bo Schembechler compared to Paluch.

I know that winning the NC in football would require going unbeaten at least one season, maybe even two because we wouldn't be #1 or #2 after the first year. It seems impossible and maybe I'm delusional, but I think we've got a better shot at that than hockey winning the NC. We'd have to finish top 3/4 in the CCHA to make the NCAA tourney, then win 4 games in a row against the top teams in the country to win it all. That's just not possible right now for our hockey program. I don't think winning 1 out of 4 of those NCAA tourney games is possible right now, much less all 4 (unless we're facing Michigan, we always seem to beat them) Maybe once the program looks at least a little bit competent I'll change my tune.

Lastly - to say that we don't have tradition in football is bullshit^3.
To say that we have a better chance to win a National Championship in football than in hockey is ridculous. First off, even if we went undefeated 3 years in a row I don't think we would make to the NC game, let alone, win it. And lets not even talk about going undefeated in football, because we all know that isnt going to happen, atleast not in the next 15 years. Calling the football team competent has much to be desired, this team has probably the least amount of focus I have seen since I've been at BG. They have talent, but are not focused at the task at hand to get anything done.

Hockey on the otherhand would be much easier to win a national title. We have talent on this team. We are just VERY young. To say that Paluch cant recruit is a little far-fetched as well, He only brought in the 9 best freshman forward this past year in Cepis, and it looks as if Kantola will be a real stud. Paluch can recruit, he just has a hard time of getting the kids to buy into his system, which is bad in and of itself. We can compete with the Michigan's, Ohio State's, Michigan State's of hockey, but there is no way in hell that we will ever be able to compete with those schools in football. The hockey team will show much improvement this year. Personally, I am more excited about the Hockey and basketball seasons, than I am for the rest of the football season.

I think you guys are talking crazy. Neither of these programs is in any position to be talking about national championships...now or in the near future.

FalconTurf · Post by **FalconTurf** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:46 pm

The reality is that every athletic program at the university needs to have money sunk into it. The donors have stepped forward for the football program after being nationally ranked during the course of a couple of seasons. I'm not sure how you can fault the administration for this?

The hockey program was getting a lot of attention after winning it all in '84 but did not generate the interest that football generates on the national scene such as the nationally broadcasted games. As I recall the '84 Championship game was carried on WBGU. Presently the majority of the hockey tournament is not being carried nationally. Football championships and bowl games along with the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments are carried nationally. We many never win it all with even one of these 3 teams but nationally they will get more attention participating than the hockey team winning it all.

I agree completely that our claim to fame has been, should be and can be again the hockey program. The reality in all of this is that the other programs will continue to get funding and possibly more funding. In part this has to do with the interest shown by the Falcon Club membership, alumni donations and the interest of the national media that influences those two groups.

The only hope I see for the hockey program at this time having is for continued support for projects such as the locker room / lounge project and membership in the Falcon Club that indicates support specifically for the hockey program (you can designate your gift). The numbers will determine the administrative interest - donations, attendance and official gear purchases. At this time I do not get the impression that on any of those fronts the hockey program is meeting or exceeding the interest shown in the football program. Even the worst of attendance at the Doyt more than doubles the capacity of the Ice Arena

You can torch me for this opinion if you want, but I truly hope the hockey program succeeds and I hope it can be a key part of BG's identity. With that said the money needs to come in soon to fix the arena situation or this program struggle to return to it's former glory.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:27 pm

wont torch you for your opinion. the game was ESPN or ABC, WBGU aired many of the sold out home games in the late 70's and early 80's
more people in the hockey world associate BGSU as being a good hockey school than do the people of the football who recognize it as an after thought in the largest views college sport.
BGSU Football will never compete for a "national championship" in football its impossible
BGSU is right now competing equally with every other D1 program for the National Championship in hockey, game by game.
We have only won one, over 20 years ago, but we have competed for one every year, and that is exciting, and now we have maintained having good players, and good program. We are going to have a good year playing for the championship, will we win it...odds for us wining it right now are the same as they are for every other team..we just need to support this team and their efforts.

PegCityFalcon · Post by **PegCityFalcon** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:03 pm

BGSUFalcons 24 stated "We played OSU in football in 2006 and got creamed, but I think hockey got blasted both games as well (does anybody remember the scores)"

Yes, I remember the hockey scores. We played tOSU twice and Game one in Columbus we won 1-0 and the second game we won 2-1 without John Matsumoto who was serving his two game suspension. As for Michigan State this year the football team lost as the hockey team lost at home, yet beat the Spartans in East Lansing. Look at it this was... We BEAT THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS! The football team doesn't deserve to use the same field as Florida. In hockey we know we can hang with the best on any given game. In football we can hang with the bottom tier teams.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:30 am

PegCityFalcon wrote:BGSUFalcons 24 stated "We played OSU in football in 2006 and got creamed, but I think hockey got blasted both games as well (does anybody remember the scores)"

Yes, I remember the hockey scores. We played tOSU twice and Game one in Columbus we won 1-0 and the second game we won 2-1 without John Matsumoto who was serving his two game suspension. As for Michigan State this year the football team lost as the hockey team lost at home, yet beat the Spartans in East Lansing. Look at it this was... We BEAT THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS! The football team doesn't deserve to use the same field as Florida. In hockey we know we can hang with the best on any given game. In football we can hang with the bottom tier teams.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about.

November 17, 2006 - Ohio State 9, Bowling Green 3
November 18, 2006 - Ohio State 4, Bowling Green 1

This is taken from the archives on bgsufalcons.com. We DID beat Michigan State though to close the season. I've wondered if MSU was resting guys in preparation for the CCHA tournament that game or if they really came at us.

But it doesn't really matter. We won tonight, some "visual evidence" of a turnaround! YES!