Big Ten Refs that worked Illinois @ OSU to be suspended???

[Warthog]

Never in my life would I have thought that I would be defending tekekini, but I don't think he was doing any whining.

I'm not sure I read anything in this thread which targeted teke. I saw them attacking the author of the piece.

That may be. I guess I thought it was a little of both because teke took the time to post the article here. That made it look like he was making excuses for the Buckeye's loss.

[Peregrinner]

And he is not saying that the refs cost OSU the game. But with poor quality officials, there is a greatly chance of them making a mistake that does impact the outcome.

Honestly, the way I see this is like bad weather. If the weather [officiating] is just crappy, it's crappy for both teams.

Unless the refs were actively making an effort to influence the game for one side, I still don't really see the argument.

[Warthog]

Unless the refs were actively making an effort to influence the game for one side, I still don't really see the argument.

I totally understand the point that they are bad for both teams. But that doesn't mean that all things go equally bad for each side. One play here or there where the refs blow a call can definitely impact the results.

As an example, lets consider the Cavs game last night with the questionable jump ball call at the end. Hypothetically speaking, these could have been three worst refs in the NBA. And over the course of 52 minutes and 58 seconds all the bad calls even out. But when one refs calls a jump ball on a play where the offensive player is past the defender that supposedly created the jump ball (when in actuality the said defender is actually reaching across the offensive player with his back arm even) and is screened from seeing the play clearly by another defensive player and the offensive player himself, well, that one bad call decided the outcome of the game.

[Peregrinner]

Fair enough. I didn't see the play you're talking about, but I see what you're saying.
Now that I think about it, a case of flat-out terrible refs missing obvious calls that changed the outcome of the game comes to mind:
Michigan v. Nebraska in the 2005 Alamo Bowl.

Damn you, Sun Belt refs...

[tekekini]

Yea, I am not doing any whining here. If you read any of my posts in response to the game, you will see that I thought the ref's were horrible but I never once blamed them for the loss. I know OSU lost the game themselves..I just thought the article was interesting that they allowed a ref crew to still do a game, knowing full well that they were going to be suspended the following week..especially in a game that means somethng. There were plenty of other games that meant nothing that they could have screwed up.

Don't post pictures of crying babies in reference to me..I am not whining.

Just posting an interesting article.

That is all.

Thank you. 8)

[h2oville rocket]

Seriously, Dude, you're like, no fun anymore. I liked you better when you were obnoxious!

[tekekini]

Fine,



F%^& you..


8)


better?

I apologize but I have had a lot of extra good news lately. Such good news that I have not even given a thought to being a prick on here lately.

But since you miss it so much..I will try harder next time if you so wish.

[Schadenfreude]

No he is not suggesting the referees would fix the game. The point is that that set of officials are known to be of low quality. So why would the Big Ten risk the officials making a mistake that would cost the conference a shot at an additional 4.5 mil.

You are falling into the same illogical trap.

The "issue" raised by that article is the decision to assign these officials to the game, which the writer suggests could have, in your words, "cost the conference a short at an additional $4.5 million."

The only way that makes any logical sense whatsoever is to suggest that a $4.5 million price tag is a foreeeable outcome of the decision to assign those officials to that game.

It is not a foreseeable outcome.

Peregrinner had it right. Bad officiating is like bad weather. One could just as easily argue that the decision to assign those refs to that game could have earned the Big Ten $4.5 million.

To connect a conference's post season financial interests to the officials it assigns to games is ridiculous on its face -- unless you can actually back it up. Then it would be a scandal of the highest order.

[tekekini]

I think the article is simplistic in that it is simply saying the Big Ten is stupid for assigning the referee crew to a game knowing they were going to suspend them. period.

He is only mentioning the money to add some more content to the article so that it was worth publishing as a story and not an opinion. Obviously the writer doesn't know the outcome. For the Big Ten to have gotten the extra money, OSU would have had to have beaten Illinois and lost to UM and then hope OSU was an at large BCS bid.

He just had to take some kind of angle other than just comming out and calling them stupid. I don't think his editor would allow that as it would be stating an opinion and this was not an opinion piece. Mentioning the money, makes it a story.

[jpfalcon09]

I do agree the principle of assigning an officiating crew that is going to be suspended for future games is pretty ridiculous. It's almost like firing an employee but he's still working at the company for a week or two, more than likely being inefficient and not accomplishing anything.

There must have been a situation with the officiating that they couldn't replace this crew that fast enough, or another quirky reason. Regardless, as many have stated the officials didn't sway the game in any manner so it's a relatively moot point...but it certainly raises some eyebrows.

[Falconfreak90]

Sounds to me like the Big Ten screwed up royally and it affected OSU on a couple plays. Mind you the Bucks only had the ball for what, a minute in the 4th quarter? They simply couldn't stop Juice and Co.

I remember an obvious fumble at the Shoe by OSU with 2 min left when BG played in 2003. BG was hosed but that one play did not determine the outcome.

I remember in 1992, again at the Shoe, Mark Schlazchic was clearly inbounds with BOTH feet in the 4th quater for a TD that would have brought BG within 17-12 with 12 minutes left but the official ruled him out. I can watch that play to this day on tape and it amazes me but doesn't surprise me.

Illinois got away with one. OSU has gotten away with a lot of them over the years...especially at home.

[tiznow]

Sounds to me like the Big Ten screwed up royally and it affected OSU on a couple plays. Mind you the Bucks only had the ball for what, a minute in the 4th quarter? They simply couldn't stop Juice and Co.

I remember an obvious fumble at the Shoe by OSU with 2 min left when BG played in 2003. BG was hosed but that one play did not determine the outcome.

I remember in 1992, again at the Shoe, Mark Schlazchic was clearly inbounds with BOTH feet in the 4th quater for a TD that would have brought BG within 17-12 with 12 minutes left but the official ruled him out. I can watch that play to this day on tape and it amazes me but doesn't surprise me.

Illinois got away with one. OSU has gotten away with a lot of them over the years...especially at home.

Freak, I remember that play with Mark as well. I also remember the announcers for that game were Bo and Dierdorf. You could tell they both were pulling for BG to win. Wasn't Herbstreit the QB for OSU in that game?

[Falconfreak90]

Yes, Herbstreit was the QB and BG knocked him outta the game for a while. Artie Mangham put a slobberknocker on him and Bobby Hoying came in for relief. Hoying was just a freshman.

Unfortunately, BG shot themselves in the foot with 6 turnovers as Erik White was trying to make plays and threw a few picks. I remember sitting in the open end and those flippin bleachers would sway back and forth when the crowd got excited. At the half, OSU led 7-6 and 90,000+ were sh*tting green twinkies. I have to admit that walking out after the game, a LOT of OSU fans were complimetary of BG and how tough of a team we had. They also wanted Gary Blackney as the coach instead of Cooper. LOL! We should have let them have Blackney after 1994. Just kidding...

BG could have easily won that game as they outgained OSU, had more first downs...but the turnovers. Very similar to 2003. You simply cannot turn the ball over and expect to beat a team like OSU...especially in their house.

[Rightupinthere]

I remember in 1992, again at the Shoe, Mark Schlazchic was clearly inbounds with BOTH feet in the 4th quater for a TD that would have brought BG within 17-12 with 12 minutes left but the official ruled him out. I can watch that play to this day on tape and it amazes me but doesn't surprise me.

We had the momentum in that game until there was a little pushing and shoving on the O$U sidelines. They proceeded to smack us in the jaw for a couple of series.

That was a great team.