How will history remember Coach Brandon?

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:37 am

He will be remembered well and folks will say we would be in great shape if we could have only afforded to pay him enough to keep him.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:39 am

Flipper wrote:I don't get this whole "riding Urban's wave" thing...

Flip: I don't beat that drum, but plenty of folks seem content to diminish the value of Brandon's first two seasons on that premise. I'm inclined to agree with your assessment.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:18 am

MACMAN wrote:... and folks will say we would be in great shape if we could have only afforded to pay him enough to keep him.

Interesting thought there MACMAN. It was in the Blade story this morning that Brandon plans to seach an extension in the offseason. He is currently the third lowest paid coach in the NCAA at $150,000. He gets an additional $5,000 if we make a bowl and another $2,000 if named MAC Coach of the Year.

But what if he demands like $250,000 a year for 5 years or something more than Christopher is willing to pay. Has a coach every "left as a free agent" because he didn't think he was getting fairly compensated? Is this a way for Christopher to offer a low ball type extension in order to force Brandon into a "Win the MAC in 2008 or your gone" season where he can reward Brandon with a large salary increase if we do in fact win the MAC or just let him go if he falls below expectations?

tiznow · Post by **tiznow** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:29 am

Warthog wrote:
MACMAN wrote:... and folks will say we would be in great shape if we could have only afforded to pay him enough to keep him.
Interesting thought there MACMAN. It was in the Blade story this morning that Brandon plans to seach an extension in the offseason. He is currently the third lowest paid coach in the NCAA at $150,000. He gets an additional $5,000 if we make a bowl and another $2,000 if named MAC Coach of the Year.

But what if he demands like $250,000 a year for 5 years or something more than Christopher is willing to pay. Has a coach every "left as a free agent" because he didn't think he was getting fairly compensated? Is this a way for Christopher to offer a low ball type extension in order to force Brandon into a "Win the MAC in 2008 or your gone" season where he can reward Brandon with a large salary increase if we do in fact win the MAC or just let him go if he falls below expectations?

Very good thought. You mentioned CSU yesterday and I agreed he will be mentioned for that job. He has ties to the state. For what it is worth, one of the Associate AD's at CSU is a BG alum. Would Brandon use another job opening to more money and deal length than what would be offered?

JohnnySwoop '85 · Post by **JohnnySwoop '85** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:38 am

Couple what Tiznow brings up along with a Les Miles to Michigan transfer, leaving LSU assistants in play as the new regime gets "their guys" in...maybe a return of Coach Stud?

But all in all, I am happy with Coach Brandon's performance. I believe this team is cycling back up. 2006 was the trough, we did well this year, and next year we are still technically young in a lot of areas

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:40 am

JohnnySwoop '85 wrote:Couple what Tiznow brings up along with a Les Miles to Michigan transfer, leaving LSU assistants in play as the new regime gets "their guys" in...maybe a return of Coach Stud?

Any idea what Coach Stud makes as the OL coach at LSU?

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:42 am

Warthog wrote:
JohnnySwoop '85 wrote:Couple what Tiznow brings up along with a Les Miles to Michigan transfer, leaving LSU assistants in play as the new regime gets "their guys" in...maybe a return of Coach Stud?
Any idea what Coach Stud makes as the OL coach at LSU?

I heard it was around $200,000 per year.

tiznow · Post by **tiznow** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:43 am

Falconfreak90 wrote:
Warthog wrote:
JohnnySwoop '85 wrote:Couple what Tiznow brings up along with a Les Miles to Michigan transfer, leaving LSU assistants in play as the new regime gets "their guys" in...maybe a return of Coach Stud?
Any idea what Coach Stud makes as the OL coach at LSU?
I heard it was around $200,000 per year.

That is significantly more than what Brandon makes.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:44 am

I would love to see Coach Stud come back. He has the profile of the lifer that any program in our position needs to be consistently good.

One condition -- somebody else calls the plays!

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:49 am

Wow, if he makes $200,000 as a position coach for a top program, how much would we have to offer him to be our head coach to get him to leave? More than we are willing to pay Brandon? Interesting situation.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:25 am

Honestly, I would very much like Christopher to come up with some consistent fund raising venture to dramatically increase our coaches' salaries, across the board. We will never reach the levels we want to, consistently, in Hockey, Hoops, or Football by paying among the lowest in the country to our coaches.

As much as I love the Sebo, and would love a new basketball or hockey facility, the money that goes into them could be used to double our coaching salaries for a long while. In the end higher quality coaching would likely help advance the programs further than a new facilities.

What we pay our coaches currently is really an embarrassment. Especially in football. I'm not a big fan of Gregg Brandon, but I also don't think he deserves to be among the bottom 3 paid coaches in D1A.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:55 am

hammb wrote: As much as I love the Sebo, and would love a new basketball or hockey facility, the money that goes into them could be used to double our coaching salaries for a long while. In the end higher quality coaching would likely help advance the programs further than a new facilities.

Money is the key, but it's a chicken and egg situation. Quality coaches who command high salaries wouldn't coach at a place with poor facilities where you can't recruit and you can't win. An infusion of cash would definitely be terrific, but that's what about every other Division I school save about 10 hopes for as well.

The ideal situation for any school is finding someone like (gulp) Amstutz, who's driven by other factors besides money.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:09 am

JoeFalcon wrote: The ideal situation for any school is finding someone like (gulp) Amstutz, who's driven by other factors besides money.

Aside from Stud, every time I think about this, my mind wanders to Josh Harris.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:17 am

Good points Joe. Our good friend Lou Holtz (anyone who insults Toledo on national TV has to be our friend, right?) talked specifically about this type of "situation" the other day. In fact, he talked about BG! They were discussing coaching moves/young guys moving to head jobs/ experienced guys moving to "better" jobs/etc. I think his point was trying to evaluate good situations vs bad situations. He specifically said something about Urban Meyer calling him before taking the job here at BG. Lou asked him if it was a good situation or a bad. They seemed to agree it was a bad situation, but for a young guy like Urban to move to a head coaching job, it was a good situation for him personally. I guess the point is that it all depends on the coaches perspective as to whether something is good or bad.

Redwingtom · Post by **Redwingtom** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:20 am

hammb wrote: Unfortunately still get outplayed & outcoached in enough big games to not win championships.

Couple questions to ponder regarding winning a championship: Does anyone feel that J.D. Brookhart is a "great" coach? Is he better than Brandon?