BG down 13 at halftime

[VDub26Falcon]

A BG player suspened for a game? Boy, nobody making that big of a deal out of it....if DD did it, it would have been like the sky was falling and people would be talking of Hamblet leaving the team. So far in the Orr tenure we have had 2 players leave, one player suspended, he's received 2 technical fouls, and he never sits down during games. Sound familiar?

Seriously...Heaven forbid Double D take care of a player with some disciplinary action.

It seems to me that the problem isn't with the coaches...it's with the players. Players today are not what they used to be. They don't respect the head coach they way they are supposed to and they don't respect themselves. Dakich (and Orr) did what they had to do to show these players that it's not all about winning...it's about following rules, respecting those in positions of authority and acting like a man on the floor. There is only so much a coach can do and a suspension is the final step.

[Falcon137]

Well put, Option. We need to give the man a chance to get his players in his system. He didn't succeed at Seton Hall based on luck...Coach Orr knows the game and will mold his team but it will take time. I will be patient knowing better days are ahead!

BEAT INDIANA STATE~

I'm willing to be patient also but at the same time I don't think you can say Orr had bad luck at Seton Hall. He just couldn't recruit the players to compete for Big East Championships. I don't think he can recruit Big East players here but he'll be able to get solid MAC to above average MAC players here.

[BGFalconfromCincy]

A BG player suspened for a game? Boy, nobody making that big of a deal out of it....if DD did it, it would have been like the sky was falling and people would be talking of Hamblet leaving the team. So far in the Orr tenure we have had 2 players leave, one player suspended, he's received 2 technical fouls, and he never sits down during games. Sound familiar?

DD would have had 9 T's by now

[BleedOrange]

Well put, Option. We need to give the man a chance to get his players in his system. He didn't succeed at Seton Hall based on luck...Coach Orr knows the game and will mold his team but it will take time. I will be patient knowing better days are ahead!

BEAT INDIANA STATE~

I'm willing to be patient also but at the same time I don't think you can say Orr had bad luck at Seton Hall. He just couldn't recruit the players to compete for Big East Championships. I don't think he can recruit Big East players here but he'll be able to get solid MAC to above average MAC players here.

I think that Orr's issue at Seton Hall was more complicated than not being able to recruit with the best of the Pig East. I think it was more of a philosophical difference with the AD and an unwillingness to recruit certain types of individuals.

This is a year to watch players develop, like Jak, Knight, Polk, Miller, and Larson. We're green at the center and under-talented at guard. This is not a year to win the MAC. I'm keeping my expectations in line. Patience shouldn't be an issue THIS YEAR for any right minded BG fan.

[cowboyjoe]

I was one of DD's biggest fans..the point I was making was Orr has had the same things happen to him so rar in his short time here and everyone is praising him..DD got nothing but grief for doing the same things ie. suspensions and kids leaving.

[OSUFALCON]

Amen Cowboy! I thought the same thing.

[hammb]

I was one of DD's biggest fans..the point I was making was Orr has had the same things happen to him so rar in his short time here and everyone is praising him..DD got nothing but grief for doing the same things ie. suspensions and kids leaving.

I don't remember DD taking any flack for any suspensions. I cannot imagine anyone on this board complaining about players getting disciplined for off the court issues. I don't remember anyone complaining last year when Hamblet was suspended for getting in that fight.

If you cannot see the difference in the defections between what Dan had and what Orr has dealt with then you're looking at it through a pretty jaded view. Dan lost talented players that HE recruited. Lewis, Crawford, Moss, Vandermer, etc, were some of the best talents that he recruited. Some even played very prominent roles while they were in BG. All of them left after their Freshman or Sophomore years.

So far Orr has lost 2 guys that he didn't recruit, neither of whom deserved to be in a Division 1 arena without a ticket.

If player defections becomes an epidemic like it was for Dakich, then I'll start to worry. For now it's just players that aren't talented enough leaving when a new coach comes in. It's pretty common for players to leave after a coaching change, so I don't think it's really an indictment on coach Orr.

Personally, even if we don't win another game the rest of the year I'd rather watch an Orr coached team than a Dakich coached team. It's refreshing to see the team go to Zone when they're getting beaten, rather than a stubborn insistence to play man the entire game no matter how bad we're getting drilled. Despite our early setbacks I like the potential that this scheme offers as well. Most of our games have seen a few stretches where things were clicking and we got some good, easy baskets. I like the fact that we aren't shooting 20 three pointers every night anymore.

[Falconfreak90]

"So far Orr has lost 2 guys that he didn't recruit, neither of whom deserved to be in a Division 1 arena without a ticket".



Damn, that was funny.

I was one of DD's backers as well...wanted to see him turn it around the very end.

Coach Orr is now the general in charge...give him a chance.

[cowboyjoe]

I can see the difference. Facts are facts. How is Orr's first recruits doing Hammb? Wonder how they like all of the playing time they are getting. Can anyone say red-shirt? We need any athletic body we can get down low with Marschall being out and Madlock can't smell the floor. What gives?

[hammb]

I can see the difference. Facts are facts. How is Orr's first recruits doing Hammb? Wonder how they like all of the playing time they are getting. Can anyone say red-shirt? We need any athletic body we can get down low with Marschall being out and Madlock can't smell the floor. What gives?

Wondered the same thing actually.

Looking at him he's clearly undersized so I thought they might try to redshirt him. But then he's played in a couple games, so that's out of the question.

Jakubowski has been about what I expected. Maybe not quite as good of a penetrator as I had hoped, but he's done alright for a Freshman guard.

Much like Brandon's first recruiting class for football, Orr will get a pass for his first class. Much of the best talent was already committed by the time he arrived in BG, so I'm willing to give him a pass the first time around. I will say I'd like to see more of Madlock since we took his redshirt off, but time will tell.

[OptionQB]

I'm sorry I missed the uniform switch that read "Duke" or "Kentucky" or "North Carolina" on the front. The last post player to come in the MAC and have an immediate impact as a freshman was Jerome Tillman at OU. Dakich had every opportunity to recruit him and didn't. And when he finally did, Dan's OWN players told Tillman not to come to BG because they didn't enjoy playing for him. I know this because I've had the conversation with Tillman more than once. My brother-in-law went to school with him.

Yeah let's criticize a guy who brings in a 6'9" kid to a mid major college and God forbid that he doesn't dominate. He's from Wisconsin. We have no idea what type of system he ran in high school. Perhaps he's adjusting. Perhaps Coach Orr missed. Perhaps the plan was to redshirt him until Marschall got hurt.

Coaching careers are not built on one recruit. Just wait until the Browns, Thomas' and Calhouns arrive before judging. The only reason Jakubowski is here is because Dakich isn't. Remember that botched recruitment or the Rice commitment? It's a refreshing change to pull up Rivals and see that we have commitments from the class of 2009 already rather than Dan's practice of recruiting two weeks before school started ie Moon Robinson.

Criticize Coach Orr all you want, the bandwagon will still have room in three years when the unathletic cast that his predecessor recruited are gone and we can field a team that can compete at least athletically shows up at Anderson.

[tiznow]

Orr got into the recruiting game late. For his first class, what did Coach Orr have to work with? When did Madlock commit? If I remember correctly it was long after most players commit. His recruits he has coming in next year look very promising.

[BleedOrange]

Concerning Orr's freshman, well, Jakubowski is easily our best guard now that Hamblet is gone. Madlock didn't start playing basketball until relatively late, so he's still pretty green. It's fair to give freshmen a pass, but it's particularly fair with Madlock. Orr described Madlock as our most athletic big man. Maybe he just needs time to adjust mentally. It would be good to see him get a few more minutes, however.

[hammb]

I'm not complaining. I actually expected Madlock to redshirt this year. I was just expressing my surprise that we pulled his redshirt off and we haven't seen him more than a few minutes here or there. I'm certainly not complaining. As I said, I think all new coaches, especially basketball coaches, get a free pass on their first class. By the time Orr was hired most of the top talent had already committed elsewhere.

As I have said I'd much rather watch this brand of basketball than what we've been playing for the past 5+ years, even if it doesn't lead to immediate results. I fully believe that when coach Orr gets his talent in here we'll start to see things change for the better for BG basketball.

[VDub26Falcon]

I'm sorry I missed the uniform switch that read "Duke" or "Kentucky" or "North Carolina" on the front.

Speaking of Kentucky, is it too late to get them on our schedule for the year? It'd be nice to have a cupcake on the schedule.