A simply awesome recruiting story from the Blade

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:58 am

I don't think the NCAA can/will do anything about this, but they will keep it on file for the next time Ohio State or Michigan gets in hot water.

Oh, and just to be safe, you better stop feeding and talking to your kids, Freak...

rocketfootball · Post by **rocketfootball** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:01 pm

Some more reading material that could be useful to us:

"A prospective student-athlete ("prospect") is a student who has started classes for the ninth grade. In addition, a student who has not started classes for the ninth grade becomes a prospective student-athlete if the institution provides such an individual (or the individual's relatives or friends) any financial assistance or other benefits that the institution does not provide to prospective students generally." (NCAA Bylaw 13.02.10)

A prospective student-athlete remains a prospect even after signing a National Letter of Intent to attend an institution, and both the institution and the prospect continue to be governed by NCAA recruiting legislation until: (a) the prospect reports for regular squad practice; (b) the registrar or director of admissions certifies that the prospect is officially registered and enrolled at the institution on the opening day of classes; or (c) the prospect attends a class or classes in any regular term.

A contact is any face-to-face encounter between a prospective student-athlete, the prospect's parents or legal guardian(s), and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting. Additionally, any face-to-face encounter that is prearranged or that takes place on the grounds of the prospect's educational institution or at the site of organized competition or practice involving the prospect or the team the prospect represents shall be considered a contact, regardless of the conversation which occurs. (NCAA Bylaws 13.02.3, 13.1.7)

A booster may not contact the coach, the prospect or family members, the principal, or counselor in an attempt to evaluate a prospect. (NCAA Bylaw 13.1.2.5 d)

Do not initiate conversation with the relatives. If conversation is initiated with the booster, respond in a civil manner but do not discuss the Athletics Program with them. If they ask questions about the program, remind them that the NCAA prohibits a booster from discussing the program with them. Encourage the family to contact the Athletic Department directly.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:11 pm

rocketfootball wrote:NCAA Bylaw 13.01.5.1 applies to Division I athletics and became effective August 1, 1987. It reads as follows: "In Division I, representatives of an institution's athletic interests (as defined in 13.02.12) are prohibited from making in-person, on- or off-campus recruiting contacts, or written or telephone communications with a prospect or the prospect's family or legal guardians."

NOTE: "Written" can include communications via message boards.

The communications weren't "recruiting contacts." It was an open tailgate he happened to show up to. His own inquiry asking about a place to tailgate led to subsequent posts containing that information. There was no enticement or special arrangements made. This is such small potatoes it's kind of funny. As UK Peregrine and PGY Tiercel probably know, tons of Kentucky basketball fans inundated Patrick Patterson's MySpace page last year urging him to attend UK. This happens *everywhere* on a much, much grander scale that what might have taken place here.

Also for rocketfootball, Esq:

-A UT fan speculating on possible NCAA violations by another school is like Rhea Perlman giving beauty tips.

-Not that it necessarily applies in this case, but all NCAA institutions freely admit to numerous secondary violations each and every year. The NCAA gets suspecious when places pretend to be perfect.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:26 pm

JoeFalcon wrote:
rocketfootball wrote:NCAA Bylaw 13.01.5.1 applies to Division I athletics and became effective August 1, 1987. It reads as follows: "In Division I, representatives of an institution's athletic interests (as defined in 13.02.12) are prohibited from making in-person, on- or off-campus recruiting contacts, or written or telephone communications with a prospect or the prospect's family or legal guardians."

NOTE: "Written" can include communications via message boards.
The communications weren't "recruiting contacts." It was an open tailgate he happened to show up to. His own inquiry asking about a place to tailgate led to subsequent posts containing that information. There was no enticement or special arrangements made. This is such small potatoes it's kind of funny. As UK Peregrine and PGY Tiercel probably know, tons of Kentucky basketball fans inundated Patrick Patterson's MySpace page last year urging him to attend UK. This happens *everywhere* on a much, much grander scale that what might have taken place here.

Also for rocketfootball, Esq:

-A UT fan speculating on possible NCAA violations by another school is like Rhea Perlman giving beauty tips.

-Not that it necessarily applies in this case, but all NCAA institutions freely admit to numerous secondary violations each and every year. The NCAA gets suspecious when places pretend to be perfect.

This is where I'm at. If I'm at a tailgate and a recruit come up to me, I'm offering him a brat and welcoming him to BG. The family atmosphere is what draws these kids to BG, and I'll be damned if we should let some irrational fear of the NCAA telling us we've been naughty keep us from perpetuating said atmosphere.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:33 pm

TG1996 wrote:I don't think the NCAA can/will do anything about this, but they will keep it on file for the next time Ohio State or Michigan gets in hot water.

Oh, and just to be safe, you better stop feeding and talking to your kids, Freak...

Fine with me...the grocery bill is REALLY starting to increase these days.

I can understand the views here about the NCAA...we need to be careful but I'm with J4H.

rocketfootball · Post by **rocketfootball** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:55 pm

JoeFalcon wrote:
rocketfootball wrote:NCAA Bylaw 13.01.5.1 applies to Division I athletics and became effective August 1, 1987. It reads as follows: "In Division I, representatives of an institution's athletic interests (as defined in 13.02.12) are prohibited from making in-person, on- or off-campus recruiting contacts, or written or telephone communications with a prospect or the prospect's family or legal guardians."

NOTE: "Written" can include communications via message boards.
The communications weren't "recruiting contacts." It was an open tailgate he happened to show up to. His own inquiry asking about a place to tailgate led to subsequent posts containing that information. There was no enticement or special arrangements made. This is such small potatoes it's kind of funny. As UK Peregrine and PGY Tiercel probably know, tons of Kentucky basketball fans inundated Patrick Patterson's MySpace page last year urging him to attend UK. This happens *everywhere* on a much, much grander scale that what might have taken place here.

Also for rocketfootball, Esq:

-A UT fan speculating on possible NCAA violations by another school is like Rhea Perlman giving beauty tips.

-Not that it necessarily applies in this case, but all NCAA institutions freely admit to numerous secondary violations each and every year. The NCAA gets suspecious when places pretend to be perfect.

Read the bolded paragraph in my last post above your post.

Don't get me wrong and don't take me as a Rocket fan right now. If I wanted BG to have NCAA violations I wouldn't have said anything and went whining to the NCAA. The fact of the matter is that I am trying to help you guys by giving you all of the information you should have about NCAA bylaws and school boosters.

I might be a UT fan, but I am a member of the media. Credentialed by UT and a member of the MAC News Media Association for the last few years. I have more dealings with the NCAA bylaws and compliance directors than the typical collegiate fan, and just want you all to be well informed so you don't make mistakes. Do I expect the NCAA to come down on BG for this if it is reported? Probably not. You guys weren't even aware of the rules. However, it's best to know the rules and keep it from happening again, because patterns of such are what the NCAA frowns upon.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:07 pm

RF,

I appreciate all your insight on these types of things. We all really need to be careful these days. I know as a member of the Falcon Club, I've received brochures on rules with the NCAA and compliance. The last thing I would ever want is for my actions to break any rules with the NCAA. Basically, what I'm allowed to do, I will. What I'm not allowed to do, I won't.

Thanks.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:14 pm

rocketfootball wrote:I might be a UT fan, but I am a member of the media.

Oh my god! You really ARE evil!!

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:21 pm

rocketfootball wrote:Do I expect the NCAA to come down on BG for this if it is reported? Probably not. You guys weren't even aware of the rules. However, it's best to know the rules and keep it from happening again, because patterns of such are what the NCAA frowns upon.

I don't think ignorance of the law allows you to violate the law. The NCAA doesn't care what any of us knew/know about the regulations.

Question for you RF, back in one of your posts I think you mentioned that the regulation was written in 1987. When did Al Gore invent the internet? Seriously, has there been any revisions/updates to take into consideration possible contact with recruits through message boards?

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:30 pm

rocketfootball wrote: I might be a UT fan, but I am a member of the media. Credentialed by UT and a member of the MAC News Media Association for the last few years.

So now I know why Toledo got 7 players on the All-MAC team this year!

Seriously, I don't think your motives are malicious. IMO, this is all just a mountain being made out of a molehill.

h2oville rocket · Post by **h2oville rocket** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:38 pm

TG1996 wrote:
rocketfootball wrote:I might be a UT fan, but I am a member of the media.
Oh my god! You really ARE evil!!

He's recently applied to law school to complete the triumvirate of evil.

rocketfootball · Post by **rocketfootball** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:42 pm

h2oville rocket wrote:
TG1996 wrote:
rocketfootball wrote:I might be a UT fan, but I am a member of the media.
Oh my god! You really ARE evil!!

He's recently applied to law school to complete the triumvirate of evil.

Unfortunately I just got news that DevilGrad blocked my application. I'm now thinking about going into politics.

rocketfootball · Post by **rocketfootball** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:46 pm

Warthog wrote: Question for you RF, back in one of your posts I think you mentioned that the regulation was written in 1987. When did Al Gore invent the internet? Seriously, has there been any revisions/updates to take into consideration possible contact with recruits through message boards?

While Internet Bulletin Boards go back much further than people the Internet that we have all come to know today, I am sure the NCAA did not think of Internet message boards when making the bylaw in 1987. However, interpretation in today's world can very well include Internet message boards and I don't know of any school's compliance director that would disagree.

rocketfootball · Post by **rocketfootball** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:48 pm

JoeFalcon wrote:
rocketfootball wrote: I might be a UT fan, but I am a member of the media. Credentialed by UT and a member of the MAC News Media Association for the last few years.
So now I know why Toledo got 7 players on the All-MAC team this year!

Seriously, I don't think your motives are malicious. IMO, this is all just a mountain being made out of a molehill.

The idea is to stop it from becoming a mountain.

By the way, if you ever wonder how some Ball State players make All-MAC teams just ask how many media personnel they have in the MNMA. They have more than Toledo and Bowling Green combined.

Redwingtom · Post by **Redwingtom** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:49 pm

We all read your bolded paragraph RF, and nothing illegal happened per this paragraph.

A contact is any face-to-face encounter between a prospective student-athlete, the prospect's parents or legal guardian(s), and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting. Additionally, any face-to-face encounter that is prearranged or that takes place on the grounds of the prospect's educational institution or at the site of organized competition or practice involving the prospect or the team the prospect represents shall be considered a contact, regardless of the conversation which occurs. (NCAA Bylaws 13.02.3, 13.1.7)

The meeting was not pre-arranged. The meeting did not take place on the grounds of the prospect's educational institution. It did not take place at the site of organized competition or practice involving the prospect or the prospect's high school.

Okay, so I asked him if his team made the high-school playoffs so I guess that was more than just a greeting. Also, your bolded paragraph does not say anything about the $1,000 we each gave him, so there!