Ryan has all the recruiting info....

[Flipper]

When watching film don't get distracted by the outcome of the play. Look for the skills and tools that the player displays. For example...with the OL kids the coaches here seem to put a lot of value on the abilty to keep your feet under you after making the inital block. They also like kids who have the ability to pull and move downfield. They can add strength in the weight room, but it's harder to improve on balance, footwork and coordination.

They seem to like DL players that can follow the ball and pursue.

So far as QB's go...they seem to like an accurate arm and a level of mobility. I think they'll sacrifice a bit of strength downfield for accuracy. They also seem to like kids who have played in a spread in HS.

On tape, Beam displays the arm strength, accuracy and mobilty to excel in our system...being able to hit the deep ball is a plus. He seems to have the abilty to read the flow of the defense when running the option from the gun...that gets us back to the "two back" rushing offense we had under Josh. Having that additional running threat makes the RB's more effective and it gives the WR's more rom to operate on the short and intermediate routes because the LB's can't just drop into coverage all the time..the passing lanes open up a great deal when those guys are 5-10 yards closer to the line of scrimmage. Those traits are just as likely to be there in the MAC as they are in Cali JUCO.

It's not that I dislike Tyler...he had some very nice games for us this year, I just think that Beam has more tools to work with within our offense

[Falconfreak90]

Geez, tough crowd. Sheehan is an All-MAC player who threw for over 3,200 yards with a 63% completion percentage and 23 touchdowns. You go the JUCO route because your top backup just transferred and your only other scholarship quaterback is in his second semester of college.

Beam looks like a great talent and will surely be given a shot to supplant the incumbant like every other incoming player, but I'd be absolutely shocked if Sheehan wasn't starting.

Bingo.

Tyler is the man...unless Beam can win the job. It's been said a QB makes his greatest advancement between his SO and JR seasons. Well, Tyler is going into his JR season. What Tyler did in 07 cannot be understated. 3rd team All MAC....IMO, he is the starting QB.

[JoeFalcon]

BTW, Nick Tuminello, DE from Boardman. Anyone know if he's the brother of Chris Tuminello, who was a solid center at UT a few years ago? H2O or RF?

Nice catch Freak. Unfortunately, I've suppressed/erased any memory of successful UT players. It's either his brother or cousin because the elder Tuminello is listed in media reports as hailing from the same school.

This is good...we need to pay them back for Antonio Malone.

[Falconfreak90]

BTW, Nick Tuminello, DE from Boardman. Anyone know if he's the brother of Chris Tuminello, who was a solid center at UT a few years ago? H2O or RF?

Nice catch Freak. Unfortunately, I've suppressed/erased any memory of successful UT players. It's either his brother or cousin because the elder Tuminello is listed in media reports as hailing from the same school.

This is good...we need to pay them back for Antonio Malone.

Thanks, Joe. I knew that name from somewhere and having worked in the Youngstown area a while back, I thought there might be a connection. There have been some solid players from Boardman over the years.

[Warthog]

It's been said a QB makes his greatest advancement between his SO and JR seasons. Well, Tyler is going into his JR season.

Beam will be too.

[Flipper]

Tumienllo played QB and DE at Boardman... So much for the notion that QB's are candy asses

[Falconfreak90]

It's been said a QB makes his greatest advancement between his SO and JR seasons. Well, Tyler is going into his JR season.

Beam will be too.

Touche, WH. Hmmm....this could be an extremely interesting off season.

[hammb]

When watching film don't get distracted by the outcome of the play. Look for the skills and tools that the player displays.

BINGO!

Somebody likened our situation to the Quinn/Anderson thing in Cleveland, and there are definitely some similarities here.

Both incumbents had decent, but not great seasons. Both incumbents have some high points but have physical flaws that prevent them from being the ideal players for the situation.

Both challengers appear to have a better overall skillset for what the team wants to do offensively.

I just want the best player to play. I don't think Tyler has the physical ability to be the same type of player that J5/O4 were here. Beam looks to have those abilities, but he needs to be a polished player...tough to tell from film. My personal opinion is that Tyler had a good season, but not so good that the QB spot is locked up for sure. If Beam comes in and has a better summer than Tyler, I think he deserves to be the starter.

One thing that I find very intriguing for next year is that we're losing a lot of talent on that OL. Tyler really struggled whenever he was pressured last year, and I think it's safe to assume the pressure will be more common next season. All other things being equal the player that handles pressure best is probably the better option for next year as we break in some new starters up front.

[Falconboy]

I also think Beam ends up starting. He just looked really poised and strong in the pocket and new when to run and get really good yardage when the pocket did break down. He definitely more agile and mobile than Sheehan and he's bigger. Beam's arm strength definitely impressed me in that video and I didn't even watch the whole thing.

F Boy,

You still haven't responded to my query about your original comments of about a month or so ago re: QB openings...when you stated that Beam looks like a "pocket QB" and we already have one of those" or something similar...now your tone has changed...Didn't you look at the video the FIRST time it was posted? (since you haven't watched the whole thing THIS time either?)
Sometimes I read your comments and wonder if you're really from (or on) another planet from the rest of us.

Yes, at the time I saw Beam's scout page for the first time and saw his "40" time I figured pocket qb of the top of my head. I was probably thinking along the lines of J5 was that speedy at all and he was listed as a 4.8 guy and so with this Beam kid listed at 4.7 I didn't figure that that would be much of a difference in mobility but per the that video I was wrong, either Beam is a bit faster than that 4.7 time he's listed at or a 4.7 is considerably faster than a 4.8. Remember these are just my thoughts and opinions based on the info I've at the time. I never said this kid must absolutely without a shadow of a doubt must be some slow Tom Brady'esque pocket passer , just that model of qb came to mind as all as I usually think of spread Qb's being at least 4.6 guys or faster. But thats just my opinion. This kid looks to fit the spread system perfectly and seems to have all the throws to really test opposing defenses. Maybe with this kid we can actually throw DOWN field for a change.

[Globetrotter]

It's been said a QB makes his greatest advancement between his SO and JR seasons. Well, Tyler is going into his JR season.

Beam will be too.

And both will still have an opportunity to redshirt in 2009 AKA Dan Macon. Don't laugh, I proposed redshirting Dan Macon and people thought it silly because he was an upperclassmen. The QB who is the backup this year can will likely also be the backup next year. There best chance to play and start is to hold a clip board for a year. It just makes sense to do, however irregular.

[eRichFalcon]

It's been said a QB makes his greatest advancement between his SO and JR seasons. Well, Tyler is going into his JR season.

Beam will be too.

And both will still have an opportunity to redshirt in 2009 AKA Dan Macon. Don't laugh, I proposed redshirting Dan Macon and people thought it silly because he was an upperclassmen. The QB who is the backup this year can will likely also be the backup next year. There best chance to play and start is to hold a clip board for a year. It just makes sense to do, however irregular.

But whoever loses the starters job is supposed to be the backup....not that you can't yank the redshirt when the nearly inevitable injury comes, but it's just that - nearly inevitable.

[Flipper]

2005....we played back up Antoney Turner and 3rd string QB Van Johnson due to injury

2006...Freddie Barnes and true frosh Tyler Sheehan see action in place of the suspended/injured ineffective starter

2007....Tyler Sheehan sits part of at least one game due to a shoulder injury. Sits parts of others due to performance issues that may have been injury related.

So, we haven't made it through a season with the starting QB staying healthy all year since 2004. And we sat him the majority of the second half in the better part of our games when we lead by a gazillion poiunts. Given the "newness" of our OL going into the season, I'd say the odds are in favor of the back up being pressed into service.

The back up needs to play at least a little at some point...the last thing you want is a repeat of 2005 when AT had to run out there having seen zero game action during the season to that point.

[Globetrotter]

2008 Beam v Sheehan Backed by Brown (3rd string)
2009 Winner of Beam v Sheehan Backed by Brown, and Redshirt Frosh/ Redshirt goes to Loser of Beam v Sheeahn
2010 Loser of Beam v Sheehan Backed by Briwn and Reshurt Frosh

[JoeFalcon]

Globetrotter: it's utterly inconceivable that Sheehan would accept a redshirt his senior year. The Macon situation you cite is a completely different animal. He was a junior who had never been an All-MAC player and had not yet even started a game at running back.

You're correct to label it irregular, because I know of no example in the history of college football where a longtime starter lost his position during his senior year, took a redshirt and came back to challenge the same guy who beat him out for that position the next year.

The coaches will play the person who gives us the best chance to win and the rest will sort itself out.

[Flipper]

I don't think you'd be able to redshirt a senior...you can in theory but it would mess up the natural order of things. Cats would sleep with dogs, John McCain would party with Rush Limbaugh, Britney Spears would start hanging with the straight edge crowd...the universe wouldn't be able to stand it.

I like the idea of having a JUCO guy pushing the incumbent. At the very worst you wind up with an experienced back up for two years while Brown and Pankratz develop. The "loser" of the Beam/Sheehan battle is stil likely to play a bit over the course of the next two years...the worst thing to have happen would be one of them gets disenchanted enough to pull a Jason Washington and transfer to a 1AA program.

The set up is just about perfect. Two upperclassmen with some experience and maturity, a talented RS freshman ready to step in and start as a junior and an incoming freshman behind him.