GB getting a contract extension

[tiznow]

You don't build jack in two years.

Hmmm, Meyer took Utah to a BCS bowl in his second year and won the national title in his second year at Florida. That's at least a pretty damn good foundation.

Or the foundation could have been made by Coach McBride and Coach Zook.

[Globetrotter]

I hope we win the MAC championship and he gets another job. Then everyone wins IMO.

Wow...

He's not successful enough to warrant an extension, but if he achieves even more success he'll leave and you'll be happy. You want a successful coach to achieve even more success so he'll leave and then we can get another coach even though the one we already have a winner.......did you suffer a blow to the head or something?

I dont think he is a good coach, but he recruits well. I hope that a loaded team, that he created makes up for his bad coaching and we can get a better coach in here.

[Globetrotter]

You don't build jack in two years.

Hmmm, Meyer took Utah to a BCS bowl in his second year and won the national title in his second year at Florida. That's at least a pretty damn good foundation.

Or the foundation could have been made by Coach McBride and Coach Zook.

So any coach that wins before their 4th year in the system shouldnt get credit for it?

[Warthog]

You don't build jack in two years.

Hmmm, Meyer took Utah to a BCS bowl in his second year and won the national title in his second year at Florida. That's at least a pretty damn good foundation.

Or the foundation could have been made by Coach McBride and Coach Zook.

OK, if you say that, then the next logical thought is that Meyer is a far superior coach because he took basically the same kids and won games that the guys that built the foundation couldn't win.

[hammb]

You don't build jack in two years.

Hmmm, Meyer took Utah to a BCS bowl in his second year and won the national title in his second year at Florida. That's at least a pretty damn good foundation.

Or the foundation could have been made by Coach McBride and Coach Zook.

OK, if you say that, then the next logical thought is that Meyer is a far superior coach because he took basically the same kids and won games that the guys that built the foundation couldn't win.

The problem is too many people at BG accept what Gregg Brandon has done at this program as being "successful." I'll never be able to convince them otherwise.

I don't need stats, records, or any of that to know what I see on Saturdays. I see a team that week in and week out is poor fundamentally and is not disciplined. At least twice every season they piss down their legs and completely don't show up. I see a team that consistently gives up in the face of adversity be it an injury or a rough start to the game. On the whole this is a team that has not been consistently well coached for the past 5 years, and has reeked of a lack in leadership for almost as long.

Doesn't matter. A winning record over a slew of horrendous teams is enough to keep some fans happy, I guess. I want more, I think some of you others do as well. The Brandon lovers all want more, but don't seem to be willing to take the risk required to get to the next level. We aren't convincing anyone of the other side, and we've been having this same debate for 3-4 years. The fact that Moe Ankney is consistently brought up in these debates is telling. Too many people are afraid that we'd do worse than Brandon and end up in the cellar; they'd rather stick with the status quo and not risk rocking the ship.

I cannot look at things in this same manner. My goals for this program is for it to become the premiere program in the MAC. I think it's become obvious to most that Brandon is not the guy to do that. One group of us is ready to cut the cord and find the guy that is. The other group is hopeful that Brandon improves as a coach and becomes the guy to lead this team to MAC titles.

At this point I think the sample size is large enough to have a pretty good idea of what we have on our hands. The reason why nobody is going to be swayed from one side to the other in this debate is because there is a total disagreement about how successful the sample size has been. Personally I think Brandon's tenure is largely unsuccessful. We have had only one marquee OOC win in his time (Purdue '03), have zero conference championships, and haven't even played for one since his first year. That's not success to me. Others look at the overall record & bowl berths (and wins) and see that as a success.

The root of this debate is not debating whether or not Gregg Brandon is a great coach. No, there's enough sample size to decide that for us. The root is that we don't agree on what actually defines success for our football program.

[tiznow]

You don't build jack in two years.

Hmmm, Meyer took Utah to a BCS bowl in his second year and won the national title in his second year at Florida. That's at least a pretty damn good foundation.

Or the foundation could have been made by Coach McBride and Coach Zook.

OK, if you say that, then the next logical thought is that Meyer is a far superior coach because he took basically the same kids and won games that the guys that built the foundation couldn't win.

That is why I threw that out there. It seems some people think Meyer should get all the credit for what he started here, and all the credit for what he inherited at his other stops.

[Rollo83]

Meyer did a good job here...he woke a ot of people up and brought back the winning attitude Gary Blackney had prior to the fat punter debacle...but he didn't achieve the things Gregg Brandon has here.

You're kidding, right? Brandon has been living off of what Meyer did here since he became head coach. Let's turn the tables and bring Brandon in to follow Blackney for three years and then have Meyer follow him. Think this program would have been different the last 7 years?

[Flipper]

Let's pretend the sky is orange and Scooter McDougle is smart...you can argue whatever hypotheticals you want to and it won't amount to crap because it's just a matter of opinion.

The FACT of the matter is that Urban Meyer didn't win any bowl games while Gregg Brandon won bowl games, a Mac West title and finished the seaosn ranked.

And Urban Meyer didn't build dick at Utah either...They won while he was there...but they didn't fare as well after he left...seems to me that if he built something there they would havbe just lept sailing right along...

[Rollo83]

Clearly Urban leaving BG for Utah left a bad taste in your mouth and has clouded your sense of reality when it comes to evaluating his contribution to this program the last 8 years.

Since you like hypotheticals...here's another one for you. Let’s take two similarly talented college foot ball teams. Brandon can coach your team and Urban will coach mine. Urban’s team kicks Brandon’s team consistently. Then, we’ll have the coaches switch sidelines and Urban will take your team and kick my team (now coached by Brandon) consistently.

Coaching college football isn't all about X’s and O’s, rather it’s more about leading young men and getting them to believe in themselves and reaching their full potential. Go back and watch tape of the end of the BGSU 2006 season, the Miami game this year or the GMAC Bowl. Urban’s teams may have never played in a bowl game, but they also never mailed it in or were totally unprepared to play.

[Warthog]

[quote="hammb"][/quote]

No need to quote your entire post, but just wanted to say I couldn't agree more.

Just watch the game people. Look at the mental mistakes Brandon's teams make. Look at the game plan. He just isn't that good. But that is what we get with what we can pay.

And I will be arrogant enough to say, YES, I think I could do better. And you damn well better believe that if I was offered the opportunity I would take it in a heartbeat. But that ain't happening, so don't go tell me to prove it.

[Rightupinthere]

I would like everyone to know that I have not posted a response in this thread.

Oh wait......

[Flipper]

Clearly Urban leaving BG for Utah left a bad taste in your mouth and has clouded your sense of reality when it comes to evaluating his contribution to this program the last 8 years.

Since you like hypotheticals...here's another one for you. Let’s take two similarly talented college foot ball teams. Brandon can coach your team and Urban will coach mine. Urban’s team kicks Brandon’s team consistently. Then, we’ll have the coaches switch sidelines and Urban will take your team and kick my team (now coached by Brandon) consistently.

Coaching college football isn't all about X’s and O’s, rather it’s more about leading young men and getting them to believe in themselves and reaching their full potential. Go back and watch tape of the end of the BGSU 2006 season, the Miami game this year or the GMAC Bowl. Urban’s teams may have never played in a bowl game, but they also never mailed it in or were totally unprepared to play.

I don't like hypotheticals...you do...I'm simply pointing out that BRandon accomplished more here than Meyer. That's a fact

Urban's team wasn't ready to play at NIU in 2002 or USF in 2002 or at Toledo in 2002...those are just the games I can remember off the top of my head.

[1987alum]

The 2 most embarrassing losses in BG history? Does the history of BG football only go back to 2003?

tiznow:

As a resident "old timer," thank you.

I was in Fresno when Denny Stolz pulled the plug on his team days before Cal Bowl 5, setting the table for an incredibly humiliating loss that one of the best teams in school history did not deserve.

Was anyone else in Seattle in 1986 when a Washington team stocked with future NFLers steamrolled the Falcons? The score in no way demonstrates just how badly we got beat that day. The Minnesota game with Ricky Foggie? Ugh.

Freak can recite several chapters of the Ankney era that deserve mention. Then there's the loss to Buffalo that gave the Bulls their first win as a I-A program.

[Warthog]

I'm simply pointing out that BRandon accomplished more here than Meyer. That's a fact.

He's also been here a lot longer. Do you seriuosly think our record the last five years would be better with Brandon as coach than if Meyer would have stayed?

Do you think Stan Joplin in a good basketball coach? His next win will be his 200th in the MAC. He is sixth in all-time wins for a MAC coach. He's done just enough to keep his job, but not enough to move to something bigger. My point, just because a guy has coached longer, it does not make him a better coach.

[Flipper]

Brandon accomplished more here in two years than Meyer...that's a fact