Rightupinthere wrote:
Let's just accept that you and I have a different understanding of the game of football and call it a day, shall we? It's fun how the West Coast Offense is thrown around with little understanding as to WHY it was devised [read: defenses got better at STOPPING THE FREAKING RUN].
The West Coast offense also took hold when coaches without 6'5", 230 pound rocket-armed quarterbacks realized they could take average Joe's who could read defenses and throw with accuracy and have a functional passing game (with a little RAC mixed in as well).
Now if you question my understanding of the game of football again, I'll sock you in the god**** face and you'll stay plastered.
Metz wrote:Maybe they got the best size and strength they could. I'm sorry, but there aren't many Warren Sapp's who want to come play at BG.
If you truly think that then your seriously off your rocker or we are some serious doo doo as a football program. If we can't do what Boise St. did and recruit a capable defense that was able to virtually stop Oklahoma for a huge portion of the game in that thrilling Fiesta Bowl a year or two ago then we should just shut down BG football for good , I'm f***'in serious. Boise St's had the best defense I ever saw out of a "mid-major" in all my life that year. In fact that defense was anything but mid-major, it was strong against the run , disciplined and fast. The're front four from what I may recall was much bigger than the swiss cheese front four we've been throwing out there. I may not expect Warren Sapp type freakish talent on the D-line but we should expect to be able to recruit capable guy with his size , hes' only 6'2 and 300lbs, so not gigantuan.
I did a little bit of some research from the spring roster and here is what our D line looks like for the up coming year. The weights of the players will change by the time fall camp comes about.
Recruits
Winston Etheridge DL 6'2 254
Nicholas Tuminello DE 6'4 225
Walk on's
Jonathon Durhamr DE 6'4 231
Dan Massaro DL 269
Roster
Kevin Alvarado DL 6'2 255
Adrian Baker DE 6'3 218
Orlando Barrow DL 6'2 287
Darren Branch DL 6'2 230
Diyral Briggs DE 6'4 230
Preston Burrell DL 6'5 270
Nick Davis DL 6'3 281
Jacob Hardwick DL 6'3 260
Garth Hartung DE 6'1 244
Andrew Johnson DL 6'4 265
Brandon Jackson DE 6'2 231
Angelo Magnone DE 6'3 235
Michael Ream DL 6'3 270
Mick Rieke DL 6'4 250
Joe Schaefer DE 6'4 256
Darius Smith DE 6'2 217
Carlos Tipton DE 6'3 230
Nick Torresso DL 6'3 290
So you see to me it looks like our DL is just about the same as the other non BCS schools and we can do the same thing as what Boise did in that game it just comes down too the players buying into what the coaches tell and teach them.
Falconboy wrote:If you truly think that then your seriously off your rocker or we are some serious doo doo as a football program.
Ok, so tell us oh wise one, who should we have recruited? I want you to figure out the entire recruiting class we should have had this year since the coaching staff didn't get what you wanted. Once you come up with that list, I'd like you to explain how you'd get them to BG. If all of that seems feasible, then maybe the coaching staff can give you a recruiting position here!
Like bg sports fan said, no matter who we have, they have to buy in to the strategy here. Until we see any sort of actual game play, no one here really knows what the team is capable of. Give them a chance...then do what you do best and tell us who did what wrong and why our program is doo doo/why i'm off my rocker.
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Falconboy wrote:If you truly think that then your seriously off your rocker or we are some serious doo doo as a football program.
Ok, so tell us oh wise one, who should we have recruited? I want you to figure out the entire recruiting class we should have had this year since the coaching staff didn't get what you wanted. Once you come up with that list, I'd like you to explain how you'd get them to BG. If all of that seems feasible, then maybe the coaching staff can give you a recruiting position here!
Like bg sports fan said, no matter who we have, they have to buy in to the strategy here. Until we see any sort of actual game play, no one here really knows what the team is capable of. Give them a chance...then do what you do best and tell us who did what wrong and why our program is doo doo/why i'm off my rocker.
I'm not talking about any of our new recruits but mainly the ones we've been putting out there the last 3-4 years. Hardwick is a nice sized DE, they don't get too much bigger than him even at BCS schools , Briggs on the other hand really is a speed LB with some size but gets manhandled at DE too often and can be double teamed easily if his speed and quickness becomes a problem since there is no one else that ever needs double teaming. Nick Davis is close but there's no reason why he can't be brought up to 295-300 , same for Barrow and , Mike Ream and freshman Burrell and Torresso. All these guys can easily be weight trained up to 295-300 or more if need be if our training guys work with them. I just don't understand why they aren't. Its seems completely the other way around for our O-line which just baffles me. Why the heck did DJ Young go from 290 his freshman year to 278 the next? Speed isn't worth jack at the DT position as its mainly about pure strength and leverage and power to move the LOS to your liking and not the opposing O-line's.
falconboy...have you ever weight trained...for sports...for fun...for any reason? You act like adding 20 lbs of muscle is as easy as putting on one of those sumo suits they have in night clubs from time to time. You don't just snap your fingers and grow.
bgsportsfan is on the money...our DL guys are reasonably sized for a midmajor. Interesting thing about Etheridge, they think he'll be in that 275lb range by the fall. At the recruiting reception Brandon said they were looking at him as the being the kind of DT that can "throw people out of the bar". I think he plays this fall and going forward he and Toresso are going to be the anchors of the DL.
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
Flipper wrote:falconboy...have you ever weight trained...for sports...for fun...for any reason? You act like adding 20 lbs of muscle is as easy as putting on one of those sumo suits they have in night clubs from time to time. You don't just snap your fingers and grow. .
I don't disagree with this at all, but I do think its a valid question why Young actually dropped in weight from year 1 to 2. Was he injured for much of that time?
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Yep...just looking at his weight is kind of meaningless (assuming those figures reporesent any kind of reality). I would want to know what his body composition looked like "before" and "after". You carry fat, muscle carries you....
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
Flipper wrote:Yep...just looking at his weight is kind of meaningless (assuming those figures reporesent any kind of reality). I would want to know what his body composition looked like "before" and "after". You carry fat, muscle carries you....
Probably listed in the medical records somewhere, we'll never see those numbers. Heck, sometimes we don't know obvious stuff like cause of injury, etc.
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QB Tyler Sheehan 6-3 225 JR Andrew Beam 6-4 230 JR Nathan Brown 6-4 225 R-FR Tony Hunter 6-1 205 R-JR Aaron Pankratz 6-6 220 FR
RB Anthony Turner 6-2 229 5-SR Eric Ransom 5-10 184 JR Willie Geter 5-8 170 SO Chris Bullock 5-11 220 R-JR Nate Waldron 5-11 211 5-SR
FB Jimmy Scheidler 6-4 244 R-JR Nick Rieke 6-4 250 R-SO
WR Freddie Barnes 6-2 212 R-JR Keston Cheathem 6-220 5-SR Adrian Hodges 6-1 180 R-FR
WR Corey Partridge 5-11 184 5-SR Jermiah Kelley 5-11 200 SR Calvin Wiley 5-11 195 R-JR
WR Marques Parks 5-11 192 5-SR Chris Wright 5-10 190 R-JR Ray Hutson 6-2 180 R-FR
WR Tyrone Pronty 6-0 181 JR Derek Brighton 5-10 184 R-SO DeMark Jenkins 6-3 202 FR
LT Aaron Kent 6-6 291 5-SR Jarrett Buckosh 6-7 293 R-JR Charles Robinson 6-6 340 FR
LG Shane Steffy 6-3 302 R-JR Brady Minturn 6-4 288 R-JR Tim German 6-5 300 FR Blaec Walker 6-5 315 FR
C Brandon Curtis 6-2 285 5-SR Casey McHugh 6-6 275 JR Scott Albert 6-7 300 R-JR
RG Ben Bojicic 6-4 273 R-FR Jeff Fink 6-5 290 5-SR Josh Dodge 6-3 290 R-FR
RT Tyler Donahue 6-6 281 R-SO D.J. Young 6-5 278 JR Marc Stevens 6-5 300 FR
K Sinisa Vrvilo 6-1 234 SR Matthew Norsic 6-1 203 R-JR Gerald Phillips 6-1 195 FR (G)
P Nick Iovinelli 6-0 188 SR
LS Neal Dahlman 6-1 235 SO Craig Rutherford 5-11 204 JR
LE Jacob Hardwick 6-3 260 R-JR Angelo Magnone 6-3 235 R-SO Joe Schaefer 6-4 256 5-SR Darius Smith 6-2 217 R-SO Carlos Tipton 6-3 230 R-FR Nicholas Tuminello 6-4 225 FR
LT Orlando Barrow 6-2 287R-SO Nick Davis 6-3 281 5-SR Andrew Johnson 6-4 265 R-FR
RT Nick Torresso 6-3 290 SO Michael Ream 6-3 270 R-JR Preston Burrell 6-5 270 R-FR Winston Etheridge 6-2 254 FR
RE Diyral Briggs 6-4 230 5-SR Adrian Baker 6-3 218 RS-SR Kevin Alvarado 6-2 255 R-FR Darren Branch 6-2 230 R-FR Garth Hartung 6-1 244 5-SR
SLB John Haneline 6-2 231 5-SR Eugene Fells 6-1 215 R-SO Calvin Marshall 5-11 190 R-SO Lewis Parks 6-2 228 R-SO Anthony Stover 6-2 200 FR
MLB Erique Dozier 6-0 221 5-SR Cody Basler 6-3 238 R-JR Brandon Jackson 6-2 231 JR Chris Young 6-0 210 R-FR
WLB Jerett Sanderson 6-0 189 JR Glen Stanley 6-2 205 SO Aaron Davis 6-2 197 R-JR Jerrson Davis 6-2 200 JR Josh Scheidler 5-11 207 R-JR
SS P.J. Mahone 5-11 201 JR Anthony Mosley 6-1 190 R-FR Keith Morgan 6-0 195 FR Lane Robilotto 6-1 176 FR
FS Jahmal Brown 5-10 192 JR Giovanni Fillari 6-3 216 SR Robert Lorenzi 5-9 170 FR
CB Kenny Lewis 5-11 185 SR Roger Williams 5-9 184 JR Derrick Williams 6-0 175 R-FR Mark Wooldridge 5-9 190 R-FR Marquese Quiles 6-0 170 FR
CB Antonio Smith 5-10 180 SR Tarell Lewis 5-10 187 JR Alfred Tomlinson 5-9 175 R-SO Jonathan Davis 5-11 170 FR Adrien Spencer 6-0 175 FR
Globetrotter wrote:I think we run a 4-3 in name only. I believe that Briggs doesnt always play with his hand down and the SLB is basically a strong safety. So its 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 like you said.
I glossed over this point earlier, but it's right on target, IMO. I'd liken our "base" defensive set to more of a 4-2-5 than a 4-3.
Taking a further step back, consider the typical MAC offense - seems dominated by four WR spread sets. Seems a 4-2-5 approach is a good step toward matching up well with that. Granted, it can get you into trouble when a team lines up with a big TE and FB in the mix.
But if our #1 goal is to win the MAC, we have to build the team accordingly.
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In the PD yesterday, there was an article that mentioned TWO OSU younger players (Gibson was one, can't recall the name of the other) who were recruited as LB's and have played LB since their arrival in Columbus...they've BOTH been switched to DE this spring.... so it's not a radically unusual step to take..Didn't mention the weights on these guys, but I thought the Brandon critics of change might be interested in knowing about this.
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