ok i can't hold it in anymore.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:00 am

Casualobserver wrote: Toledo vs. Ranked Opponents since 2001 (5-4)

BGSU: Winless !!!

Learn how to win the Big One more than just once, and we can talk!

2003 at Purdue (win), vs. NIU (win)

No one here will deny that our achilles heel (for whatever reason, everyone here has their favorite) is winning the big one on the road. But you just asked for one win, I gave you two in one season.

How's Kansas doing?

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:03 am

Flipper wrote: Why pick 2001 as a starting point?

Probably for similar reasons that Marshall founded the MAC in 1997.

Of course, there was that stretch where the MAC mysteriously didn't exist from 1995-2001.

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:05 am

Casualobserver or shall I say Cluelessobserver,

BG 2003:
Purdue - Win
Ohio State - Loss
NIU - Win
UT - Win
Miami - Loss - twice
Bottom line...we beat 3 out of 5 winning teams.

UT 2003 (you forgot a couple):
UNLV - Loss
Syracuse - Loss
Total - 2 wins and 3 losses

Also, at least we have no losses to a team with a losing record...ala Kansas in 2004.

Do your homework first and then come play with the big kids.

Casualobserver · Post by **Casualobserver** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:10 am

Kansas did not have a losing record when we played them. Secondly, if you are looking to wins against teams that are 6-6 or better, you have exemplified the problems with your program. You want to point towards mediocrity.

Uh...redneck...I picked 2001 as a starting point because you losers were so bad prior to that, I did not want to embarass you even more. I am actually giving you the benefit of the doubt. I forgot about your one win against a ranked opponent in 2003 against a way-overrated Purdue team.

Fact is, we win games that put us in Championships. One loss to you in 2003 and a meaningless early-season loss in 2001 and you think you are a better program. Makes us all laugh that you guys are that uneducated. Go back to the corn fields.

If you could actually reason or process information, you would see that the list I gave is all our games vs. RANKED opponents! Jesus. No wonder you guys squander in athletic pergatory in all your sports!

Nobody mentioned those games because...uh...they don't matter! It is amazing you guys are an accredited university!

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:18 am

Hmmm...you set arbitrary standards and then don't follow them when compiling your data but we're the people who are intellectually deficient...yes...I can see why UT is a failing institution that's about to be usurped by the local Community College, it confers degrees upon idiots such as yourself.

Run along now, boy. I have grown tired of your pathetic japes and jejune outlook. Your mendacity has grown as irksome as it is tiresome....and you suck.

Casualobserver · Post by **Casualobserver** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:22 am

Arbitrary? Record vs. Ranked opponents is arbitrary?

Owens? You have no idea. Go back to bailing your hay you dumbass. Owens is nearly as close to BG as Toledo and their enrollment surpasses both schools because they are cheap, not because they are good. Toledo doesn't care about a junior college because junior college kids are in junior college for a reason! It is high school with ashtrays.

You all may just possibly be as dumb as I thought you were.

FalconKing · Post by **FalconKing** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:26 am

Casualobserver wrote: Toledo vs. Ranked Opponents since 2001 (5-4)

BGSU: Winless !!!

Learn how to win the Big One more than just once, and we can talk!

Well, with your pretty charts you also changed the subject because you included home games, but....hmmmm...okay:

For the record, you also mixed and matched Coaches and AP polls...for consistincy, I'll use Coaches Poll.

2004
at #2 Oklahoma (Loss)
2003
vs. #15 Miami (Loss)
vs. #15 NIU (Won)
at #6 OSU (Lost
at #13 Purdue (Won)

Sure, that is only 2-3 (Miami was not ranked for our first game last year)...but our games were also against an average ranking of 16.6. Using mixing and matching of polls, your avaged ranked opponent was 21.2.

Now let's take this a step further and do a little "Where are they now?" Using final rankings over the past two years, this is where we come to:

BG
2004
at #2 Oklahoma (Loss)
2003
vs #12 Miami (Loss)
at #12 Miami (Loss)
at #4 OSU (Loss)
at #19 Purdue (Win)

UT
2004
???????????????????
2003
at #23 Bowling Green (Loss)

Now, let's take one final look at where we ended up ranked at the end of the past two years:

2004
Bowling Green 25 votes
Toledo 2 votes

2003
Bowling Green #23
Toledo 0 votes

This is the stat that I like the most though:

Bowling Green leads the all-time series 35-29-4

Now please....go away!

Casualobserver · Post by **Casualobserver** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:32 am

That is about the weakest argument I have ever read. First of ALL, the rankings were all ESPN rankings at the time of the games. Secondly..you know what...you are right...what the heck am I doing wasting my breath. You dorks couldn't reason your way out of Wood County, let alone figure this simple discussion. In addition, I have done it since 2001, not just the last 13 months.

The all-time record? That is what you have to point towards? Don't forget, the reason we did not play each other for years is because BG was afraid to play Toledo and cancelled the series!

It is pathetic you do not even know your own program's history!

goofyeuph · Post by **goofyeuph** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:00 am

CO,
If you weren't so arrogant, you might be tolerable...but your smug attitude makes you worse than a Buckeye fan. I would like to ask you nicely now, for our sake, for your sake, please go back to UT and quit giving everyone a hard time. You've won your game this year, and have your right to gloat, but you are overstaying your welcome. Please return UT. Thank you very much.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:12 am

I absolutely love it when UT fans try to claim that BG is an inferior university.

Two words: OPEN ADMISSION

Casualobserver · Post by **Casualobserver** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:42 am

BGDrew,

ALL State-funded institutions in Ohio have open admissions for graduates of Ohio High Schools. It is a state law that if you graduate from an Ohio High School and pass the proficiency exams, you MUST be admitted to all Ohio State-funded institutions. The difference is that you may only be admitted to the branch campus. Since Toledo and Akron realize that an Associates Degree gets you NOWHERE in this World, we do not have a branch school. Since we do not have a branch school, it is a State Law that all Ohio graduates are accepted to the main campus.

Believe me, the level of education at Toledo is far superior to the education you receive in Wood County.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:43 am

Casualobserver wrote:Since Toledo and Akron realize that an Associates Degree gets you NOWHERE in this World, we do not have a branch school.

Yes, I'm sure that's it.

Believe me, the level of education at Toledo is far superior to the education you receive in Wood County.

Mmmkay.

Casualobserver · Post by **Casualobserver** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:48 am

Uh, yes it is it. Toledo DID have a branch school. But about eight years ago, the Board of Trustees decided to absorb the AA degree programs into the main campus. Most people entering the two-year programs at any branch school rarely go on to get their 4-year degree. However, by taking those students that would normally be on the branch campus and placing them in a four-year degree program, with the option of ending at the AA, more students actually go on to earn the four-year degree.

Of course, I would not expect any of you farmers to understand that.

transfer2BGSU · Post by **transfer2BGSU** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:52 am

Casualobserver wrote:Owens is nearly as close to BG as Toledo and their enrollment surpasses both schools because they are cheap, not because they are good.

WRONG! I think you need to get your figures straight.

Bowling Green State Univ. - 20,975
Owens Community College - 20,160
University of Toledo - 19,480

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar ... 1635282937

Casualobserver · Post by **Casualobserver** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:54 am

Well congratulations. You beat Owens by about 850 idiots.

Your parents must be proud!