Would you boycott watching BCS games?

[tekekini]

Boise and Utah and Hawaii don't have to play anybody to get there. It is a sham. Yes, they won their bowl games most likely because the teams they played took them too lightly as they thought they were gimme games. They thought they already had it in the bag, they didnt take game prep seriously. Boise plays OU again, OU wins nd I am talking same players and same coaches.. They know they can't just sleepwalk through the game. It was a fluke of a win.

[Falconfreak90]

Boise and Utah and Hawaii don't have to play anybody to get there. It is a sham. Yes, they won their bowl games most likely because the teams they played took them too lightly as they thought they were gimme games. They thought they already had it in the bag, they didnt take game prep seriously. Boise plays OU again, OU wins nd I am talking same players and same coaches.. They know they can't just sleepwalk through the game. It was a fluke of a win.

Kinda like OSU not playing anyone and getting the the BCS title game, no? Playing 7-8 home games a year in a watered down Big 11.

Did OSU take Florida lightly in 2007? Thought they had it in the bag until they got stomped by the Gators? Did OSU sleepwalk thru that game? Would OSU win if they played again? I'd be interested to hear what you have to say. Obviously your theory would go both ways, no?

[moneymaker02]

they had that 40 day layoff remember . that was my favorite excuse haha

[bgsukid]

Boise and Utah and Hawaii don't have to play anybody to get there. It is a sham. Yes, they won their bowl games most likely because the teams they played took them too lightly as they thought they were gimme games. They thought they already had it in the bag, they didnt take game prep seriously. Boise plays OU again, OU wins nd I am talking same players and same coaches.. They know they can't just sleepwalk through the game. It was a fluke of a win.

Kinda like OSU not playing anyone and getting the the BCS title game, no? Playing 7-8 home games a year in a watered down Big 11.

Did OSU take Florida lightly in 2007? Thought they had it in the bag until they got stomped by the Gators? Did OSU sleepwalk thru that game? Would OSU win if they played again? I'd be interested to hear what you have to say. Obviously your theory would go both ways, no?

Comparing the strength of the Big Ten to the WAC is quite a stretch.

[Falconfreak90]

Boise and Utah and Hawaii don't have to play anybody to get there. It is a sham. Yes, they won their bowl games most likely because the teams they played took them too lightly as they thought they were gimme games. They thought they already had it in the bag, they didnt take game prep seriously. Boise plays OU again, OU wins nd I am talking same players and same coaches.. They know they can't just sleepwalk through the game. It was a fluke of a win.

Kinda like OSU not playing anyone and getting the the BCS title game, no? Playing 7-8 home games a year in a watered down Big 11.

Did OSU take Florida lightly in 2007? Thought they had it in the bag until they got stomped by the Gators? Did OSU sleepwalk thru that game? Would OSU win if they played again? I'd be interested to hear what you have to say. Obviously your theory would go both ways, no?

Comparing the strength of the Big Ten to the WAC is quite a stretch.

Who said anything about comparing the WAC to the BiG 11? All things are relative...OSU has the largest athletic budget in the nation so what's their excuse?

[MarkL]

Boise and Utah and Hawaii don't have to play anybody to get there. It is a sham. Yes, they won their bowl games most likely because the teams they played took them too lightly as they thought they were gimme games. They thought they already had it in the bag, they didnt take game prep seriously. Boise plays OU again, OU wins nd I am talking same players and same coaches.. They know they can't just sleepwalk through the game. It was a fluke of a win.

Kinda like OSU not playing anyone and getting the the BCS title game, no? Playing 7-8 home games a year in a watered down Big 11.

Did OSU take Florida lightly in 2007? Thought they had it in the bag until they got stomped by the Gators? Did OSU sleepwalk thru that game? Would OSU win if they played again? I'd be interested to hear what you have to say. Obviously your theory would go both ways, no?

Comparing the strength of the Big Ten to the WAC is quite a stretch.

Who said anything about comparing the WAC to the BiG 11? All things are relative...OSU has the largest athletic budget in the nation so what's their excuse?

Yup, Freak, you got it right on. Also, add Boise's blowout over Oregon State, who later on beat USC. Yeah, Boise sure didn't play anybody in 2006.

[tekekini]

Boise and Utah and Hawaii don't have to play anybody to get there. It is a sham. Yes, they won their bowl games most likely because the teams they played took them too lightly as they thought they were gimme games. They thought they already had it in the bag, they didnt take game prep seriously. Boise plays OU again, OU wins nd I am talking same players and same coaches.. They know they can't just sleepwalk through the game. It was a fluke of a win.

Kinda like OSU not playing anyone and getting the the BCS title game, no? Playing 7-8 home games a year in a watered down Big 11.

Did OSU take Florida lightly in 2007? Thought they had it in the bag until they got stomped by the Gators? Did OSU sleepwalk thru that game? Would OSU win if they played again? I'd be interested to hear what you have to say. Obviously your theory would go both ways, no?

OSU DID take Florida lightly, they DID think they had it in the bag and they DID sleepwalk through the game. They had 40 days of people telling them how they were going to win, how good they were and how Florida had no chance. They obviously bought into it. Even the most biased person has to admit that OSU didn't play like OSU that night.

The difference is that OSU didn't let it happen while playing a mid major. What does that do to prove your stance anyways? That does nothing to prove that mid majors belong in Division 1-A/ BCS bowl games. I see no argument from you on this stand point. I take it you don't have one and are trying to change the subject. Since you want it changed:

You don't get how scheduling in College works do you? First, it is not Ohio State's fault that they get 8 home games a year. It is the NCAA's fault for allowing the schools to make their own schedules. Because the school's make their own schedules, they don't want to take on the expenses of traveling to games that aren't worth their time. Do you think it is worthwhile for Ohio State to travel to Troy for a home game? Troy can't even pay OSU enough to cover their travel expenses so why would OSU go there?

Your next question...why can't they go to BG or Kent State since they are closer to home?
Answers : OSU would travel more fans than your stadiums even hold...and it is more of a pay day for those schools to come to OSU then it is for them to host and pay OSU, ushers, security, parking and vendor staff...to play at their home turf.

The other thing is that it is hard to get another BCS school to agree to home and home deals with Ohio State. No one wants to risk the loss and be taken out of the nation title shot right off of the bat and they would make more money playing another smaller school on their home turf.
Last year put aside, you must admit that OSU has done an excellent job at scheduling..Texas Tech, Texas, USC, OU, Tennessee, Miami, Va. Tech, and I have heard rumors about West Virginia possibly being added to a future schedule.

You can talk about the watered down big 10 all you want. Thats fine...OSU is obviously heads and shoulders above the rest..Shows how good they are. They ran one coach out of town. The Big Ten will be back as soon as Rich Rod has three years to install his team with his own players and JoePa retires. Illinois is already getting stronger, Iowa can only get better and Indiana is starting to improve. Purdue is normally a player and Wisconsin will be better. The Big Ten will be the "it" conference again in a few years.

Going through the big ten, however, is still much much tougher than going through the WAC. The difference in competition is second to none. Boise going through the WAC is the equivalent of BGSU running through the state high school playoffs. The players in the Big Ten are bigger, faster and stronger and takes more of a toll on your team than going through the WAC. Boise does belong in a BCS conference, but since they are not, they do not play the same level of competition and do not deserve BCS title shots. There is a difference no matter what you want to think. You know the truth deep down. You just want to believe otherwise.

[buffaloefalcon]

Why not propose to only allow 8 teams in the NFL to play in the playoffs because of their affiliation (fictional of course) I don't think many fans would appreciate only 1/4 of the teams to play in the possible final game. No matter what the non-included teams do, they can only look forward to the next season. Recruiting would suck because talented players wouldn't want to play with any of the non-participants. Why is it that college football, a playoff system wouldn't work. It's the ONLY NCAA Div I sport that doesn't have a fair system to determine the final and TRUE National Champ. We've been brain washed into thinking that voting on who's the best determines top rated teams. This has a trickling down effect which I stated above; none of the talented players in the nation wants to go to a school (GREAT SCHOOL I MIGHT ADD) such as BGSU. We'll get diamonds in the rough every once and a while but not enough to compete at the so-called "next level". We fall for this garbage and just deal with it. A playoff system can and will work. Just turn the darn bowl games that no one wants to watch into bracketed bowls. It's all about money and corporations (fascist) so they can keep the stupid bowl labels, but let the fans have the possibility of reaching a national champ game! There is no such thing as a real Cinderella in CF because the best a non-BCS team can get is a game such as Boise vs. OU. None of the excuses of not having a playoff system I've seen in the past several years regarding are substantive or makes any sense what so ever. The excuses of having a playoff far outweigh the latter. The BCS is all about money, corporations and revenue that have no benefit college football or the fans, which are the most important factors; not the corporations!

[tekekini]

Boise and Utah and Hawaii don't have to play anybody to get there. It is a sham. Yes, they won their bowl games most likely because the teams they played took them too lightly as they thought they were gimme games. They thought they already had it in the bag, they didnt take game prep seriously. Boise plays OU again, OU wins nd I am talking same players and same coaches.. They know they can't just sleepwalk through the game. It was a fluke of a win.

Kinda like OSU not playing anyone and getting the the BCS title game, no? Playing 7-8 home games a year in a watered down Big 11.

Did OSU take Florida lightly in 2007? Thought they had it in the bag until they got stomped by the Gators? Did OSU sleepwalk thru that game? Would OSU win if they played again? I'd be interested to hear what you have to say. Obviously your theory would go both ways, no?

Comparing the strength of the Big Ten to the WAC is quite a stretch.

Who said anything about comparing the WAC to the BiG 11? All things are relative...OSU has the largest athletic budget in the nation so what's their excuse?

Yup, Freak, you got it right on. Also, add Boise's blowout over Oregon State, who later on beat USC. Yeah, Boise sure didn't play anybody in 2006.

Even a blind squirell finds a nut once in a while...USC lost to stanford last year, yet some of you argue they(USC) were probably the best team in the country last year...

So my response to your comment is...So what?

Where did Oregon St. finish?

[buffaloefalcon]

I'm suprised you put this subject in this forum, you'll soon come to find out that BG fans like the system in place which is weird since we'd never see a BCS game due to the factors weighed against us. Boise is a very special case, I'm not sure why but my guess on them is due to their location being no where near any other organized big league football. We're located around some really good football such as OSU, Cleveland Brownies, Cincinnati, ALL THE OTHER MAC college Div I programs. We're also next to Pennsylvania, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Kentucky...there's a ton of competition to grab talent around our area.

[tekekini]

A playoff system can and will work. Just turn the darn bowl games that no one wants to watch into bracketed bowls.

Yes, lets do that...then the only way that BG makes it to a bowl game is to win the MAC and get into the playoffs. That means you would have no Motor City bowl against NU or no GMAC bowls v. Memphis and Tulsa...That also means that you don't get the bowl payouts that you received for those games.

As excited as you guys were for a third auto bowl tie in I wouldn't think you would like that idea...one MAC team...win the conference or stay home even if you had an 11-1 record.


Still sound like a good idea?

[buffaloefalcon]

Great point Falconfreak! We continue to just say, "that's reasonable, it's OSU and they deserve to be in every BCS game". Only because their OSU! They don't play anyone in their own house! They're never tested until the final game they just squeek through. I see why so many people say that the SEC is the strongest conference. Look at their schedule year in and year out! They have to beat up on each other (and the competition is GREAT), then they stomp whomever they play in their bowl games.

[hammb]

A playoff system can and will work. Just turn the darn bowl games that no one wants to watch into bracketed bowls.

Yes, lets do that...then the only way that BG makes it to a bowl game is to win the MAC and get into the playoffs. That means you would have no Motor City bowl against NU or no GMAC bowls v. Memphis and Tulsa...That also means that you don't get the bowl payouts that you received for those games.

As excited as you guys were for a third auto bowl tie in I wouldn't think you would like that idea...one MAC team...win the conference or stay home even if you had an 11-1 record.


Still sound like a good idea?

I would absolutely LOVE that. As to the payouts, you should pay attention to people that discuss that fact. MAC bowl games are money losing endeavors.

[tekekini]

Great point Falconfreak! We continue to just say, "that's reasonable, it's OSU and they deserve to be in every BCS game". Only because their OSU! They don't play anyone in their own house! They're never tested until the final game they just squeek through. I see why so many people say that the SEC is the strongest conference. Look at their schedule year in and year out! They have to beat up on each other (and the competition is GREAT), then they stomp whomever they play in their bowl games.

Yes, you are right. NC Sate, UCLA, Texas Tech, Texas, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State, USC, Miami (Fla), Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, all of whom OSU has played or will play a home and home with in the recent past/near future are "nobody" teams. I can even throw a # 15 Washington for the home opener in 2003.

The SEC doesn't beat up on each other anymore than the Big Ten, Big 12 or the Pac 10 does. They each have three different Tiers of teams (top middle and bottom feeders). The top Tier in the SEC is Florida, LSU, and Auburn. The top Tier in the Big ten runs deeper as it would be OSU, PSU, UM and Wisconsin. The PAC 10 actually would be the weakest as there is no top three consistently. Last season it was USC, Oregon and ASU. This season it may be USC, UCLA and Cal. Next year will probably be different still.

Compare the top three SEC to the top 4 in the Big Ten.

In 2006/07 Penn St. and Wisconsin both beat SEC teams. Only OSU lost. Big Ten 2-1 in head to head match ups.

Last year UM (who lost to a division 1-AA team may I remind you) smoked Florida. Wisconsin lost on a lucky last minute drive. SEC 2-1. For the last two seasons the Big Ten is 3-3 v the SEC. [sarcasm] WOW the Big Ten can not hang [/sarcasm]

Here are some facts for you:

"Anyway, there were no SEC - Big Ten match ups this year during the regular season. Coming into the Bowl season, over the past five years, the Big Ten had an 8-7 lead over the SEC (after going 2-1 against the SEC in the 2006-2007 bowls).

Once again, we had 3 SEC vs Big Ten bowl match-ups. They were:




LSU vs Ohio State -- BCS Championship Game

Tennessee vs Wisconsin -- Outback Bowl

Florida vs Michigan -- Capital One Bowl



Of course, the SEC took 2 of 3 (LSU and Tennessee) to move into a 9-9 tie with the Big Ten over the past 5 years. But, more significantly, the SEC Champ won its second straight head to head match-up with the Big Ten Champ in the games that mattered most -- the BCS NC games.

source: http://www.secsportsfan.com/bigtenseccomp.html
Sorry to burst your bubbles, but the stats provided on this SEC site goes against EVERYTHING that you hear on ESPN and everything that YOU want to believe. Howver, this stat is conveniently left out of the discussion on TV.

When you make that statement "They have to beat up on each other (and the competition is GREAT)" in reference to the SEC, all you are doing is accepting the opinion of some talking heads on the TV for a certain Disney owned network. The Facts however, don't confirm their belief or yours.

9-9 over the last 5 years....let the debate go on but no one has shown it on the field to lean one way or the other.

[tekekini]

A playoff system can and will work. Just turn the darn bowl games that no one wants to watch into bracketed bowls.

Yes, lets do that...then the only way that BG makes it to a bowl game is to win the MAC and get into the playoffs. That means you would have no Motor City bowl against NU or no GMAC bowls v. Memphis and Tulsa...That also means that you don't get the bowl payouts that you received for those games.

As excited as you guys were for a third auto bowl tie in I wouldn't think you would like that idea...one MAC team...win the conference or stay home even if you had an 11-1 record.


Still sound like a good idea?

I would absolutely LOVE that. As to the payouts, you should pay attention to people that discuss that fact. MAC bowl games are money losing endeavors.

Thank you.

You have helped me prove my point that mid majors don't belong in ANY bowl games let a lone the BCS bowls/plyaoffs (if there was ever to be one).

They don't generate enough revenue/fan support to be included in a playoff so your argument/boycott would be pointless. The MAC will be left out of the equation anyways. Boise will join a BCS conference and the WAC will be left out as well.

IF a playoff was to ever be implemented that is.

Afterall, you just said for yourself they are money losing endeavors which means there isn't enough ticket sales on the school's side, or interest of the sponsors to offer up the money for the schools that no one cares about. They won't even cover the schools costs of transportation/hotel for them.