Three players are out

[HoustonFalcon]

First off, I would like to say that I am now in Heaven that I have found a site for BG fans. I coach with a Sooner, and am around Horn and Aggies all the time, so this is the greatest thing to happen to me. About the Leininger situation, I think that if we want to be the class of the MAC, they need to use discipline as a deterant. We don't want things to get out of control like they did in Blackney's last two years. If you remember, there were quite a few problems with the players, and there wasn't much done about it. I'm sure that there is more of a quality individual on the team now than then, but I am not there to be a judge of that. There is always going to be a few bad seeds, but if you tell those bad seeds early that it won't be tolerated, than it can deter that behavior. And besides, that's what homecoming is for right, so we can all show up and do enough dumb things one time a year to make up for what they can't?

[Falconfreak90]

Welcome HoustonFalcon! Great points made in your post. Nip this stuff in the bud.

[orangeandbrown]

On another note....what has happened to Jamal Bryant? This guy had the makings of big things and yet he's all but disappeared! Ayone know?

Interesting question. With all that talk on the basketball board about players disappearing, I thought it would be interesting to test the same thing out on UM's first class.

He brought it 21 guys. By all accounts, a pretty good class (grin). Carswell, Crossley, Crumpler, Culp, Fry, Hawkins, Lane, Lett, Magner, McGrady, Newson, Nicholson, Sayles, Sharon, Thaler, Warren.

So, sixteen are still with the team. Five of them are gone....

Ronald Bailey, RB, Cleveland Shaw
Darius Blackmon, LB, Detroit
Jamal Bryant, DL, Olmsted Falls
Marlon Burt, RB, Southfield
(these guys are that non-killer B's)
Jeff Wailand, OL, Manatee.

Don't know if that's par for the course for a recruiting class in terms of people leaving, but on overall talent, it has to be one of our better ones.....

Now, UM's second class had 26 players. 3 were JC's and supposed to be gone by now.

Among the 23 left are: Arnold, Brantley II, Cooley, Hollingsworth, Jacobs, Johsnon, Johnson, Jones, Jordan, lanning, Leininger, Markray, Mayberry, Myles, Navarro, Piepkow, Pope, Stover, Brad Williams.

Only four are gone:

Jay Cochran, OL, Dayton
Reggie Corner, WR, Canton McKinley
Jason Kaminski, LB, Virginia
Dexter Wallace, DL, Williston FL (I think I remember him transferring back to Florida).

I suspect that that's a good track record of guys staying with a program.

[hammb]

I suspect that that's a good track record of guys staying with a program.

I'm sure that you're probably right. However, I looked more at those names and thought, WOW. Look at the talent that we started to bring in when UM got here. I know that they have said for the past 3 seasons that each class is possibly the best recruiting class in BG, and I'm inclined to agree looking at those lists.

I mean each of them has 5-7 guys who could potentially be all-MAC players! We keep that up every year and we're going to be building quite the "PROGRAM" around here guys

[rc_ziggy84]

Well I have the skinny on what Leininger actually did in case it isn't known. I'm not sure about the morals spreading the news, but if people want to know I can. My aunt works for BGPD and told me today. I heard from another source that he will be suspended two games. This came from a *fairly* reliable source. Let me know if you want the scoop.

[Lord_Byron]

Flipper!

What are you doing parading *that* thing around?

Some things are best left undiscussed. Marshall fans don't discuss Boogercats. I'm not sure we ought to be talking about that monstrosity.

Schad my friend, you haven't seen anything yet. I'm fixing to get my scanner fired up. When I do I intend to post images of late 1970's BGSU athletics that will shock and disgust the participants of this forum.

I will not rule out the appearance of Denny Stoltz AND his staff in white belts and shoes

How about Ron Mason's hair?

Looking forward to Flip's '70s Show.

[trooperden]

whatever the penalty the Coach imposes I agree with, there are rules for a reason and are meaningless if not enforced. Players have to rise above other students and understand the mission, if you cross the line you have to pay the price. Heads up here folks, the mission is one game at a time as a TEAM to WIN the conference and a Bowl invite. Seems to me if I were a PLAYER staying on the team is more important than sucking down some brewskies

[Falconboy]

It always amazes me how beer & other "adult beverages" always somehow get in the way of a player doing the right thing. I hope Matt has learned his lesson and get's it in gear when he comes back. His loss won't/shouldn't hurt us against SE Misouri , but it will against the Sooners. The paper had Brad Williams as taking over for Matt. If thats true , the're really gone to run down our throats. Brad's only 259? Thats not going to get it done at DT.

falconboy

[factman]

falconboy-
Maybe you should go head-to-head with Mr Williams and see "in-person" if he can get it done!!!

[Flipper]

Yeah, Brandon Hicks was a terrible defensive tackle at 260 lbs. We should troll the campus looking for 300 lb lard asses that we can park on the DL.
Falconboy, you take the Burger King and Micky D's. I'll take the Union and the bars...

[hammb]

Yeah, Brandon Hicks was a terrible defensive tackle at 260 lbs. We should troll the campus looking for 300 lb lard asses that we can park on the DL.
Falconboy, you take the Burger King and Micky D's. I'll take the Union and the bars...

Hicks was a helluva player with a high motor. He did a great job getting penetration and disrupting the passing game. I don't remember him ever dominating against the run against a team the quality of OU. At some point it has little to do with talent, heart, and technique. You just cannot put 260 pound DTs against those 320 pound interior linemen and expect anything but domination. Remember those 320 guys aren't THAT much slower than our 260 guys. It is a mismatch that OU will definitely try to exploit. This spills down to the rest of the defense to. It allows the OL to get free off the DL and take on a LB. Then if the LBs are blocked it allows the RB to get free into the secondary one on one, and that's a mismatch.

If there's one thing I"ve complained about in recent years its that we don't recruit enough DT sized DT guys. Our guys put tons of effort in and have a ton of heart. They're good enough to get it done in the MAC. But if you look at the games we've lost in recent years a HUGE part of it has been because our DL has been dominated, especially the interior DL. Not faulting any of our guys down there at all, this is clearly a coaching strategy on the part of our defensive coaches. I will not agree with that particular strategy until I see us shut down a top notch running game. Hell, OSU's running game was AWFUL last year and they had > 200 yards against us

[Flipper]

I think there's (at times) too much emphasis placed on measureables here.
It's silly to say a player can't be effective at a spot before the season has started because he doesn't fit some theoretic mold.

Our defense is what it is (brilliant, eh?). It 's built around the notion that guys are going to be moved around a lot to exploit weaknesses in the offenses blocking schemes. To do that we sacrifice size for athleticism.
Addditionally, we gain stamina as well.

I read a study last year on body fat percentages in football players. I'll try to find the specifics on who conducted it and sample size and so forth. The gist of it was that while linemen were bigger on both sides of the ball, a lot of the size that they've gained is fat. Is that extra weight really useful?
Personally, I'll take "iron" weight over "grocery weight" any day

[orangeandbrown]

Yeah, Brandon Hicks was a terrible defensive tackle at 260 lbs.

What did Randy Walker call him? A rolling ball of butcher's knife's?

[1987alum]

Leininger and Latkiewicz are the real troubling ones here.

The former because he should have known better. The latter because he had a great deal of promise. Everything I read about him had all-MAC written all over him. Glad he had the problem diagnosed, of course.

It's probably not a fluke that the recently announced walkons look like potential DTs.

Everyone should re-read this thread before they make predictions for the Oklahoma game.

[falconman]

87, since when does one player make up a whole team? We will all agree that Matt made a bad choice, but we have more than capable packups with Cooley and Williams. Although losing Matt is pretty significant, we still shouldn't throw in the towel because ONE person can't play. I think are chances are still good at OK, with or without Matt.