Face of BG Football

[cw08]

Meyer did pull the program out of the pooper and onto the national stage. We can't really expect the common college football fan not to pick him considering his success at other schools. Unfortunately Doyt Perry isn't much of a household name outside of Ohio.

[Bleeding Orange]

Meyer did pull the program out of the pooper and onto the national stage. We can't really expect the common college football fan not to pick him considering his success at other schools. Unfortunately Doyt Perry isn't much of a household name outside of Ohio.

Personally, I would love for the AD to mandate that at the beginning of all television broadcasts from DLP there be included a retrospective of Doyt. It wouldn't have to be much, maybe 15-20 seconds at most, but it would put his name out there in the open, as it deserves to be. He is one of those guys who, had he been a coach at Oklahoma or Georgia, would already be a national household name. There is no reason whatsoever that we shouldn't try to put his name forth in just the same way. A guy like Doyt Perry is the very definition of college football. There have been very, very few like him.

[moneymaker02]

Instead of Josh Harris as the only player on the list, I'd rather see Phil Villapiano as a candidate. He was a great example of hard-nosed defense that BG was noted for in the late 60's and early 70's. Had an excellent NFL career, a 2nd round draft pick, and was probably the premiere BG player in pro football ever since he played on one Super Bowl champion, appeared in four pro bowls, and as such his college school (BG) was so often mentioned.

never heard of em......for the most part, more people throughout the country know who omar is than josh. omar was more recognizable and got more national attention.

I know it's ancient history to some but he was a member of the Super Bowl Champion Oakland Raiders. Had a long 12 year NFL career as a starting LB and as I said was a four time Pro Bowler. Probably an extreme outside chance to be a HoFer some day. I believe he also appeared on the old ABC quasi sports show "Superstars" hosted by Howard Cosell.

Not to pick on you Moneymaker, but I do find it kind of sad that some of the newer BG fans do not remember some of the greatest athletes in BG history like Villapiano, Nate Thurmond, Howard Komives, Ken Morrow, and Dave Wottle who all went on to achieve at a high level in there sport in the future. I know you can say, "Hey I wasn't even born then." but it doesn't take much effort to go beyond Josh Harris to find truly great players at BG, and I didn't even mention Bernie Casey who was before my time.

no offense taken, but for those of us from out of state before coming to bg we only knew the players in the recent past. heck the only people i had heard of from bowling green were holzinger, rob blake, ken morrow, brian mclure, nate thurmond, and antonio daniels. shoot me for not knowing a linebacker that played a million years ago. no pun intended on ur age . i spent my time in bg from 02-06 and they were the best years of my life as im sure they were to most, haha

all i meant was that on a national scale because i am from north carolina, that more people in nc and around the nation to the places ive visited, more people knew who omar was than josh. he got more pub from the media and he was easier to identify with his dreads to the general public.

[tiznow]

Instead of Josh Harris as the only player on the list, I'd rather see Phil Villapiano as a candidate. He was a great example of hard-nosed defense that BG was noted for in the late 60's and early 70's. Had an excellent NFL career, a 2nd round draft pick, and was probably the premiere BG player in pro football ever since he played on one Super Bowl champion, appeared in four pro bowls, and as such his college school (BG) was so often mentioned.

never heard of em......for the most part, more people throughout the country know who omar is than josh. omar was more recognizable and got more national attention.

I know it's ancient history to some but he was a member of the Super Bowl Champion Oakland Raiders. Had a long 12 year NFL career as a starting LB and as I said was a four time Pro Bowler. Probably an extreme outside chance to be a HoFer some day. I believe he also appeared on the old ABC quasi sports show "Superstars" hosted by Howard Cosell.

Not to pick on you Moneymaker, but I do find it kind of sad that some of the newer BG fans do not remember some of the greatest athletes in BG history like Villapiano, Nate Thurmond, Howard Komives, Ken Morrow, and Dave Wottle who all went on to achieve at a high level in there sport in the future. I know you can say, "Hey I wasn't even born then." but it doesn't take much effort to go beyond Josh Harris to find truly great players at BG, and I didn't even mention Bernie Casey who was before my time.

When I was a student at BG, I asked Glenn Sharp who was the better college linebacker, Jack Lambert or Phil Villapiano. He said without question it was Phil.

[JoeFalcon]

Also, his lead can also be attributed to Josh Harris and Doyt Perry splitting the educated BG fan vote.

That's questionable. What educated BG fan would consider Josh Harris a more intrigal part of the BG program than Doyt Perry? Probably the ones that don't realize the stadium is named after one of the two. Given the choice between the two you shouldn't even have to ponder that for more than a half-second before coming up with the correct answer.

Doyt Perry got my vote and I didn't have to ponder for very long. However, the program he put on the map was on life support until Harris came along and won a divisional title, a bowl game and got ESPN College GameDay to BG. It's difficult to compare figures from different eras, but a reasonable argument can be made for Harris IMO.

As was also mentioned, the unwashed masses are far more likely to know of Meyer than the other two, so a vote for them would have to be based on something besides name recognition.

[factman]

At the time, Brian McClure was much more of a national figure than either Josh or Omar.
I don't even think there is a question who is the "Face of BG football".

It is DOYT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is in the College Football Hall of Fame, you know!!!

[h2oville rocket]

The fact that his name is in the mix decades after he left is reason enough to say he's the one. In ten years many fans won't know Meyer was there, or Harris but Perry's name will still be on the stadium. Unless they sell out and it becomes Al-Mar Stadium.

[bgsukid]

However, the program he put on the map was on life support until Harris came along and won a divisional title, a bowl game and got ESPN College GameDay to BG. It's difficult to compare figures from different eras, but a reasonable argument can be made for Harris IMO.

As was also mentioned, the unwashed masses are far more likely to know of Meyer than the other two, so a vote for them would have to be based on something besides name recognition.

I'd give Meyer a lot more credit for the revitalization than Josh Harris. Meyer would easily be above Harris for me. Nobody remembers Josh Harris anymore except BG fans, but a lot of people still know Urban Meyer did a great job at BG before taking the promotion to Utah. Urban Meyer made Josh Harris what he was, Josh Harris did not make Urban Meyer.

[TG1996]

I'd give Meyer a lot more credit for the revitalization than Josh Harris. Meyer would easily be above Harris for me. Nobody remembers Josh Harris anymore except BG fans, but a lot of people still know Urban Meyer did a great job at BG before taking the promotion to Utah. Urban Meyer made Josh Harris what he was, Josh Harris did not make Urban Meyer.

Thinking about this, it's a real "chicken and the egg" type argument. I think Meyer's system brought out the best in Harris, but I don't know if Meyer's system would have worked without Harris on the roster. Could Andy Sahm have filled an Alex Smith-type role? The world may never know.

And I bet you'd be surprised how many people outside of Ohio and maybe Gainesville actually even remember that Meyer had a cup of coffee in BG.

GO DOYT!

[bgsukid]

I'd give Meyer a lot more credit for the revitalization than Josh Harris. Meyer would easily be above Harris for me. Nobody remembers Josh Harris anymore except BG fans, but a lot of people still know Urban Meyer did a great job at BG before taking the promotion to Utah. Urban Meyer made Josh Harris what he was, Josh Harris did not make Urban Meyer.

Thinking about this, it's a real "chicken and the egg" type argument. I think Meyer's system brought out the best in Harris, but I don't know if Meyer's system would have worked without Harris on the roster. Could Andy Sahm have filled an Alex Smith-type role? The world may never know.

And I bet you'd be surprised how many people outside of Ohio and maybe Gainesville actually even remember that Meyer had a cup of coffee in BG.

GO DOYT!

I agree about the chicken-egg thing. I probably should've worded it better, but what I meant is I think Meyer is more responsible for making Harris what he was than the other way around. Obviously a coach needs a good player for things to work, but I would have to say that it was more Meyer getting the most out of Harris because I don't think most other coaches would've been as successful with Harris as Meyer was. Looking at what Meyer has done since leaving and what Harris has done since leaving it's hard not think that Meyer had a bigger influence on the program than Harris.
I think you're argueing that not as many people as I think remember that Meyer was at BG? That very well may be true, but to the same point how many of the same people could tell you who Josh Harris is? Far, far less would be my bet.

[JoeFalcon]

However, the program he put on the map was on life support until Harris came along and won a divisional title, a bowl game and got ESPN College GameDay to BG. It's difficult to compare figures from different eras, but a reasonable argument can be made for Harris IMO.

As was also mentioned, the unwashed masses are far more likely to know of Meyer than the other two, so a vote for them would have to be based on something besides name recognition.

I'd give Meyer a lot more credit for the revitalization than Josh Harris. Meyer would easily be above Harris for me. Nobody remembers Josh Harris anymore except BG fans, but a lot of people still know Urban Meyer did a great job at BG before taking the promotion to Utah. Urban Meyer made Josh Harris what he was, Josh Harris did not make Urban Meyer.

Meyer changed the mindset, but he needed players to make it happen, and he'd be the first one to acknowledge it. Harris was the catalyst.

He freely admits that he's purposely taken over programs with loads of talent on board to win quickly. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you don't try and take all the credit for the turnarounds yourself which, to his credit, he hasn't.

[BGSUFootballFan]

Sorry I know I'm a little late on this thread. But my vote goes to Urban Meyer. Would have never become a BG fan if it wasn't for him. However, a lot of credit should go to J5 and the fans for keeping my a BG fan instead of following Urban to Utah & Fla.

[San Fran Falcon]

Instead of Josh Harris as the only player on the list, I'd rather see Phil Villapiano as a candidate. He was a great example of hard-nosed defense that BG was noted for in the late 60's and early 70's. Had an excellent NFL career, a 2nd round draft pick, and was probably the premiere BG player in pro football ever since he played on one Super Bowl champion, appeared in four pro bowls, and as such his college school (BG) was so often mentioned.

never heard of em......for the most part, more people throughout the country know who omar is than josh. omar was more recognizable and got more national attention.

I know it's ancient history to some but he was a member of the Super Bowl Champion Oakland Raiders. Had a long 12 year NFL career as a starting LB and as I said was a four time Pro Bowler. Probably an extreme outside chance to be a HoFer some day. I believe he also appeared on the old ABC quasi sports show "Superstars" hosted by Howard Cosell.

Not to pick on you Moneymaker, but I do find it kind of sad that some of the newer BG fans do not remember some of the greatest athletes in BG history like Villapiano, Nate Thurmond, Howard Komives, Ken Morrow, and Dave Wottle who all went on to achieve at a high level in there sport in the future. I know you can say, "Hey I wasn't even born then." but it doesn't take much effort to go beyond Josh Harris to find truly great players at BG, and I didn't even mention Bernie Casey who was before my time.

Bernie Casey should even have a theater named after him for his outstandkng performances in the movies "Gargoyles" and the classic "Revenge of the Nerds".

Thanks for the knowledge. I honestly had no idea that Bernie Casey went to BG.
People out here still talk fondly of Villapiano and Thurmond. I get a lot of comments whenever I wear a BGSU shirt. The 1st question out of most peoples' mouths is, "Who's the best athlete that went to Bowling Green?" I'll give 'em Nate Thurmond, and most nod their heads in agreement. If it ain't Nate, it's Villapiano. Two "old school" bay area icons.

[Class of 61]

Instead of Josh Harris as the only player on the list, I'd rather see Phil Villapiano as a candidate. He was a great example of hard-nosed defense that BG was noted for in the late 60's and early 70's. Had an excellent NFL career, a 2nd round draft pick, and was probably the premiere BG player in pro football ever since he played on one Super Bowl champion, appeared in four pro bowls, and as such his college school (BG) was so often mentioned.

never heard of em......for the most part, more people throughout the country know who omar is than josh. omar was more recognizable and got more national attention.

I know it's ancient history to some but he was a member of the Super Bowl Champion Oakland Raiders. Had a long 12 year NFL career as a starting LB and as I said was a four time Pro Bowler. Probably an extreme outside chance to be a HoFer some day. I believe he also appeared on the old ABC quasi sports show "Superstars" hosted by Howard Cosell.

Not to pick on you Moneymaker, but I do find it kind of sad that some of the newer BG fans do not remember some of the greatest athletes in BG history like Villapiano, Nate Thurmond, Howard Komives, Ken Morrow, and Dave Wottle who all went on to achieve at a high level in there sport in the future. I know you can say, "Hey I wasn't even born then." but it doesn't take much effort to go beyond Josh Harris to find truly great players at BG, and I didn't even mention Bernie Casey who was before my time.

Bernie Casey should even have a theater named after him for his outstandkng performances in the movies "Gargoyles" and the classic "Revenge of the Nerds".

Thanks for the knowledge. I honestly had no idea that Bernie Casey went to BG.
People out here still talk fondly of Villapiano and Thurmond. I get a lot of comments whenever I wear a BGSU shirt. The 1st question out of most peoples' mouths is, "Who's the best athlete that went to Bowling Green?" I'll give 'em Nate Thurmond, and most nod their heads in agreement. If it ain't Nate, it's Villapiano. Two "old school" bay area icons.

Funny that you should say that , because Bernie Casey was the HIGHEST ever BG player drafte (1st round I believe) and played most of his career in San Francisco and LA.... not to mention that he was/is a "world class" artist. I only wish I'd saved some of his drawings from when we lived down the hall from each other at Shatzel (and YES, it WAS a dorm then, as was Williams)

[tiznow]

Instead of Josh Harris as the only player on the list, I'd rather see Phil Villapiano as a candidate. He was a great example of hard-nosed defense that BG was noted for in the late 60's and early 70's. Had an excellent NFL career, a 2nd round draft pick, and was probably the premiere BG player in pro football ever since he played on one Super Bowl champion, appeared in four pro bowls, and as such his college school (BG) was so often mentioned.

never heard of em......for the most part, more people throughout the country know who omar is than josh. omar was more recognizable and got more national attention.

I know it's ancient history to some but he was a member of the Super Bowl Champion Oakland Raiders. Had a long 12 year NFL career as a starting LB and as I said was a four time Pro Bowler. Probably an extreme outside chance to be a HoFer some day. I believe he also appeared on the old ABC quasi sports show "Superstars" hosted by Howard Cosell.

Not to pick on you Moneymaker, but I do find it kind of sad that some of the newer BG fans do not remember some of the greatest athletes in BG history like Villapiano, Nate Thurmond, Howard Komives, Ken Morrow, and Dave Wottle who all went on to achieve at a high level in there sport in the future. I know you can say, "Hey I wasn't even born then." but it doesn't take much effort to go beyond Josh Harris to find truly great players at BG, and I didn't even mention Bernie Casey who was before my time.

Bernie Casey should even have a theater named after him for his outstandkng performances in the movies "Gargoyles" and the classic "Revenge of the Nerds".

Thanks for the knowledge. I honestly had no idea that Bernie Casey went to BG.
People out here still talk fondly of Villapiano and Thurmond. I get a lot of comments whenever I wear a BGSU shirt. The 1st question out of most peoples' mouths is, "Who's the best athlete that went to Bowling Green?" I'll give 'em Nate Thurmond, and most nod their heads in agreement. If it ain't Nate, it's Villapiano. Two "old school" bay area icons.

Funny that you should say that , because Bernie Casey was the HIGHEST ever BG player drafte (1st round I believe) and played most of his career in San Francisco and LA.... not to mention that he was/is a "world class" artist. I only wish I'd saved some of his drawings from when we lived down the hall from each other at Shatzel (and YES, it WAS a dorm then, as was Williams)

I saw an NFL films a few years back where they are interviewing Bernie Casey. He is sitting on the coast painting away while NFL films conducted the interview. I think it was from the 70's.