Arrest Warrant for Jacob Hardwick

Falconboy · Post by **Falconboy** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:20 pm

Checked the roster was well and oh boy are we thin at DL right now. A lot of rs-frosh and sophs are going to be moving up the depth chart because of this. I hope to God that Nick Davis can finally play a whole year with out injury. our starting DL will probably be Briggs, Ream,Davis/Toresso,Baker/Alvorado.

BGFootball · Post by **BGFootball** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:50 pm

Falconboy wrote:Checked the roster was well and oh boy are we thin at DL right now. A lot of rs-frosh and sophs are going to be moving up the depth chart because of this. I hope to God that Nick Davis can finally play a whole year with out injury. our starting DL will probably be Briggs, Ream,Davis/Toresso,Baker/Alvorado.

Dont for get Magnone

MarkL · Post by **MarkL** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:39 pm

Well, if that indeed is the starting D Line, it's really not that bad. There's some great talent in there, Toresso and Magnone are just waiting to break out I think. Problem is depth. No D-lineman wants to play the whole game, and I see problems of our guys running out of steam in the second half. We'll keep hoping though.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:59 am

I'm just glad that it isn't our offensive players getting into trouble. We lose those guys and we're screwed. We've won without much of a defense in the past, but we can't win without offense (eg. 2006).

That being said, this doesn't look good for our program, and it just amazes me that other people my age continually get caught up in this sort of s**t.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:52 am

From Ryan's Blog:

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... /877618558

footballguy51 · Post by **footballguy51** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:06 am

Unfortunately, he's hit it dead-on. We're having a lot of the same issues that UT has been having for a little while now, and unfortunately the people that are replacing these criminals (suspected criminals I suppose) are also not exactly the cream of the crop on the character landscape. Who coaches the defensive line that we manage to have all of these issues?

BGFootball · Post by **BGFootball** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:42 pm

footballguy51 wrote:Unfortunately, he's hit it dead-on. We're having a lot of the same issues that UT has been having for a little while now, and unfortunately the people that are replacing these criminals (suspected criminals I suppose) are also not exactly the cream of the crop on the character landscape. Who coaches the defensive line that we manage to have all of these issues?

Coach Ward and Coach Phillips, two of the greatest guys you will ever meet. You can't put blame on them for the idiotic choices of these players. They can only do so much and they cant control the decisions the players are making off the field.

footballguy51 · Post by **footballguy51** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:49 pm

BGFootball wrote:
footballguy51 wrote:Unfortunately, he's hit it dead-on. We're having a lot of the same issues that UT has been having for a little while now, and unfortunately the people that are replacing these criminals (suspected criminals I suppose) are also not exactly the cream of the crop on the character landscape. Who coaches the defensive line that we manage to have all of these issues?

Coach Ward and Coach Phillips, two of the greatest guys you will ever meet. You can't put blame on them for the idiotic choices of these players. They can only do so much and they cant control the decisions the players are making off the field.

That may be true, but I can bet I'm not the only one that thought that. It does reflect poorly upon them and the rest of the coaching staff.

BGFootball · Post by **BGFootball** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:56 pm

footballguy51 wrote:
BGFootball wrote:
footballguy51 wrote:Unfortunately, he's hit it dead-on. We're having a lot of the same issues that UT has been having for a little while now, and unfortunately the people that are replacing these criminals (suspected criminals I suppose) are also not exactly the cream of the crop on the character landscape. Who coaches the defensive line that we manage to have all of these issues?

Coach Ward and Coach Phillips, two of the greatest guys you will ever meet. You can't put blame on them for the idiotic choices of these players. They can only do so much and they cant control the decisions the players are making off the field.
That may be true, but I can bet I'm not the only one that thought that. It does reflect poorly upon them and the rest of the coaching staff.

I understand that. All I am saying is that the coaches cant be expected to babysit these athletes outside of football. They can tell them a million times how priveledged they are and tell them not to screw it up but as soon as they walk out the locker room they have to have faith in the players to make the right decision. Most of the guys will make good decisions, some will make bad decisions and never get caught, and then some will get caught in the act. These kids are grown and need to be responsible for their actions.

zeket10 · Post by **zeket10** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:11 pm

MarkL wrote:Well, if that indeed is the starting D Line, it's really not that bad. There's some great talent in there, Toresso and Magnone are just waiting to break out I think. Problem is depth. No D-lineman wants to play the whole game, and I see problems of our guys running out of steam in the second half. We'll keep hoping though.

Im sure we can take some of our HB and put them on the D-Line

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:45 pm

Hey all,

Checking in from the Best Western in Wytheville, VA. Just logged on to see what's been happening....and this sux royally.

We'll be back in Akron tomorrow PM....had a great time in Myrtle Beach.

Read Ryan's blog....he's dead on. This sh*t is bad....

Edit-Joe Falcon makes great points. Innocent until proven guilty. When I said this sh*t is bad, just the arrests are bad enough. There are 100+ players in the program. Right now, 98% of them are doing what they need to do to be successful. It's a crazy age....a few will make bad decisions. It's unfortunate but it is what it is. As long as Coach B and the staff take the proper actions after the situation has been resolved, I'm good. We simply cannot have players doing these kinds of things and represent BGSU.

GO FALCONS

vwfalcon · Post by **vwfalcon** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:17 pm

what kills me about this situation is the fact that I met Barrow's parents last year up in Minnesota before the "upset" and after meeting them I never would of imagined he would be inclined to do something of this nature. I can tell you one thing though, I think this will cause the boys up front on the DL to work that much harder now that there is a starting position available. I also think that people on here and around campus talking about how "bad" the DL will be this season due to these things may work as motivation for them. You know how bad people like to prove people wrong when someone says "you can't do it." Don't condem this season before it even begins. We are capable of having a great season.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:25 am

I still firmly believe that if in the recent past better decision regarding disciplinary action had been taken this could/would have been avoided.
i hope the AD and the coaches are learning and have learned from those mistakes, and they see that in the absence of strong leadership and making good decisions in these cases, even when that means playing a season lean due to pulled scholarships and lost exp, that changes for the better will occur, longterm.
I find it very very hard to believe that if past players had been booted for just out right BAD actions, that these players would not have acted as they did, or "supposedly" have done. the fact that they are suspected for having done so is reason enough in my book

San Fran Falcon · Post by **San Fran Falcon** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:08 am

BGFootball wrote:
footballguy51 wrote:
BGFootball wrote:
footballguy51 wrote:Unfortunately, he's hit it dead-on. We're having a lot of the same issues that UT has been having for a little while now, and unfortunately the people that are replacing these criminals (suspected criminals I suppose) are also not exactly the cream of the crop on the character landscape. Who coaches the defensive line that we manage to have all of these issues?

Coach Ward and Coach Phillips, two of the greatest guys you will ever meet. You can't put blame on them for the idiotic choices of these players. They can only do so much and they cant control the decisions the players are making off the field.
That may be true, but I can bet I'm not the only one that thought that. It does reflect poorly upon them and the rest of the coaching staff.

I understand that. All I am saying is that the coaches cant be expected to babysit these athletes outside of football. They can tell them a million times how priveledged they are and tell them not to screw it up but as soon as they walk out the locker room they have to have faith in the players to make the right decision. Most of the guys will make good decisions, some will make bad decisions and never get caught, and then some will get caught in the act. These kids are grown and need to be responsible for their actions.

thank you.

My thoughts exactly.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:55 pm

I like Ryan, but I think he's getting a bit too caught up in the moment and connecting the dots a little too closely.

The misjudgements of Ream and Torresso shouldn't be lumped in and associated with the felony charges in the robbery case. The headline about the arrests being "indefensible" is true, except nobody around here is attempting to defend them or minimize their severity. Rather, they've been put in the context of a) a 100+ squad of young men, a portion of whom are bound to make poor decisions, and b) the overall landscape of Division I college football where equally serious charges are brought against players in programs across the country on a regular basis.

Regarding Toledo, the poking fun was as much at Amstutz's meek response to the behavior of his players as the behavior itself. Unless Brandon takes a page out of his playbook and goes Fr. Flanigan, I don't see how those dynamics are changed.

Also, before we tar and feather anyone or enlist Burt Reynolds as an assistant coach, there's still the whole matter about the tiny little quirk in our legal system regarding being presumed innocent until proven guilty.