2010 Frozen Four to be played outside at Ford Field Det

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DWhite21 wrote:It's funny to see that they're having the 2012 Frozen Four in the college hockey hotbed of Tampa Bay. I don't know how many seats they have at Ford Field but I really wouldn't be surprised if they have a close to capacity or capacity crowd. Since we were sort of on the topic of outdoor hockey games, if the NHL hasn't already announced it yet, the Chicago Blackhawks are supposed to be playing the Red Wings at Wrigley Field on New Year's Day this coming year.
I don't mean to disparage Red Wings fans or the Detroit hockey scene, but didn't the Red Wings have trouble within the past few seasons selling out playoff games at Joe Louis Arena? Detroit certainly is still a vital hockey region, but the big regions in the country are Minnesota, Buffalo, Boston.....

Ford Field with hockey seating can probably hold, what, 70-75,000 people? With the local economy the way it is, I think they could have a heck of a time filling that for a college hockey final.
I don't think they sold out all the games but I don't think they were anywhere close to it being an issue. I don't have time to research now.

But if Michigan and/or MSU are in the Frozen Four and the price is right they could sell a boat load of seats at Ford Field!
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I'm not sure how the seating will be arranged up there, but my bet would be that they will be fairly close to capacity. Metro-Detroit is a pretty big hockey area, and I think regardless of who is in it, the fans will come out.
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CiContention wrote:
DWhite21 wrote:It's funny to see that they're having the 2012 Frozen Four in the college hockey hotbed of Tampa Bay. I don't know how many seats they have at Ford Field but I really wouldn't be surprised if they have a close to capacity or capacity crowd. Since we were sort of on the topic of outdoor hockey games, if the NHL hasn't already announced it yet, the Chicago Blackhawks are supposed to be playing the Red Wings at Wrigley Field on New Year's Day this coming year.
I don't mean to disparage Red Wings fans or the Detroit hockey scene, but didn't the Red Wings have trouble within the past few seasons selling out playoff games at Joe Louis Arena? Detroit certainly is still a vital hockey region, but the big regions in the country are Minnesota, Buffalo, Boston.....

Ford Field with hockey seating can probably hold, what, 70-75,000 people? With the local economy the way it is, I think they could have a heck of a time filling that for a college hockey final.
That's a good point about the Red Wings having trouble selling out games.
I watched a segment on Hockey Night in Canada that talked about how they were having getting sellouts during the regular season. Everyone talks about how the economy was the reason that they weren't selling out games. But according to this segment that I watched, the Detroit Tigers set an attendance record last year and the Lions were doing fine on attendance. So you can't really blame all of their attendance problems too much on the economy.
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I think over the last decade, Red Wings fans don't seem to care too much about getting to games until the playoffs roll around. And in some years, the later rounds at that.
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DWhite21 wrote:
CiContention wrote:
DWhite21 wrote:It's funny to see that they're having the 2012 Frozen Four in the college hockey hotbed of Tampa Bay. I don't know how many seats they have at Ford Field but I really wouldn't be surprised if they have a close to capacity or capacity crowd. Since we were sort of on the topic of outdoor hockey games, if the NHL hasn't already announced it yet, the Chicago Blackhawks are supposed to be playing the Red Wings at Wrigley Field on New Year's Day this coming year.
I don't mean to disparage Red Wings fans or the Detroit hockey scene, but didn't the Red Wings have trouble within the past few seasons selling out playoff games at Joe Louis Arena? Detroit certainly is still a vital hockey region, but the big regions in the country are Minnesota, Buffalo, Boston.....

Ford Field with hockey seating can probably hold, what, 70-75,000 people? With the local economy the way it is, I think they could have a heck of a time filling that for a college hockey final.
That's a good point about the Red Wings having trouble selling out games.
I watched a segment on Hockey Night in Canada that talked about how they were having getting sellouts during the regular season. Everyone talks about how the economy was the reason that they weren't selling out games. But according to this segment that I watched, the Detroit Tigers set an attendance record last year and the Lions were doing fine on attendance. So you can't really blame all of their attendance problems too much on the economy.
Sounds like a little bit of Atlanta Braves syndrome. After your team sets its standard above par for so long, the expectations of the fans reach a point where there is no real reason to go to a regular game or maybe even a first round playoff game.

I assume the Tigers were selling so big because they were bad for so long and a successful baseball franchise is the area again was something new, and therefore exciting.

The Red Wings going the distance this season will cure that, I think. Fans can be complacent about a consistent yet always-falling-short team, but there aren't too many fans who abandon a full-throttle winner.

I think the big scare for the Ford Field people and the local economy will be that, part of the draw of hockey (and especially) college hockey, is that it is much more of a community sport than other sports. The players still seem like people, they are still accessible to a degree, you are, for the most part, closer to the action and in some ways feel more a part of it.

The big football stadium sized hockey exploration is a good thing too, but it is a novelty, and my only concern would be that by 2010 that novelty will have worn off. With the Wings already set to have an outdoor game (though on the road), the market will be a little more depressed as far as the demand for a big-stadium goes around here.
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NHL Attendance Figures for 2007-2008 Detroit was middle of the pack at 94.2% of capacity. Hardly an attendance 'crisis' IMHO.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendanc ... &year=2008
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Redwingtom wrote:NHL Attendance Figures for 2007-2008 Detroit was middle of the pack at 94.2% of capacity. Hardly an attendance 'crisis' IMHO.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendanc ... &year=2008
Yes, but they measure that by what's sold, not what actually comes through the gate. Lots of those tickets are sold to corporations and then people don't actually use them. Just saying.

As for my two cents on the Ford Field thing, I am in complete agreement with bgbill on this one. It will blow.

I'm all for the NC$$ experimenting with publicity stunts and holding outdoor hockey games in football stadiums. If Boston College and Boston University feel like playing a game at Gillete Stadium, go right ahead. But ABSOLUTELY NOT for a national championship.
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Ford Field does not have a retractable roof. The games will be played inside, and I'm sure that it is going to be packed. We are talking about 3 games not 41. The only question is if they have seating for 60,000 people or 30-40,000. I'm sure that regardless it will be sold out or close to it.
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Playing it at Ford Field is a great idea. It's the next logical step.

Detroit has been the home of the CCHA tournament and the Great Lakes Invitational forever. College hockey is part of the scene -- up in Lansing, they once drew almost 75,000 people to Spartan Stadium for a Michigan-Michigan State hockey game.

The place should be packed, even if the teams involved don't suck eggs.
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Personally, I'm excited to see the Frozen Four in Detroit. While Ford Field is a smaller NFL venue, holding only around 46,000 (I believe), I really don't think it will have any trouble selling out. The UM-MSU game sells out at the Joe year in and year out, and the only reason the Wings have trouble is they arn't the only big shot team in Detroit with the Tigers, (who were supposed to be successful, but don't get me started on that), Pistons and the god forsaken Lions. Times are tough in Detroit and the economy can't exactly sell out 4 professional sports teams every game. But i can assure you I will be there at the Frozen Four, along with 45,999 others
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bring your binoculars
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Ford Field holds a lot more than 46,000.
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64,000 for football; 78,000 for basketball. TBD for hockey.
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The seats above the halfway point of the upper bowl in Joe Louis suck, how bad is it going to be at Ford Field? I'll spend my money on the regionals in Fort Wayne, one of the best arenas for watching a hockey game I've ever been to.
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Post by moneymaker02 »

i just know i was damn jealous to watch the sabres/pens games on tv last year knowing half the people i went to high school with were there. and if they weren't in the stadium they were in the parking lot tailgaiting. i dont mind them going to tampa, tampa rallied around the lightning when they won the cup and showed good fan support. that atleast shows they could sustain it for the weekend of the frozen four.
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