Anyone ever heard of the A11 offense?

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:15 pm

I just saw this video link on Yahoo...

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=825031

Here's a whole description of it, too...

http://a11offense.com/

All 11 players on the field are eligible receivers (obviously not at the same time). This has to blow the mind of a defensive coordinator!

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:45 pm

As soon as I saw the topic, I thought "Metzger must have just been on Yahoo, too.."

I wonder how many flags are picked up and waved off in a given game with that going on...

MarkL · Post by **MarkL** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:43 pm

Innovative offense, really cool, but I just don't see that working at all in college. The jump from high school ball to college ball is absolutely incredible in the D Line. I just think a college D line would get to the QBs in a hurry without a true offensive line to protect them. I just see that offense ending very badly for the QBs.

Question - is this something like what Boise tried to do against Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl? In the first half, they came out in some crazy formation where Zabransky was behind WRs and O Lineman were near the line about ten yards from the ball. Oklahoma called a timeout so Boise never called a play out of that formation, but maybe something like this was what they had in mind.

Falcon30 · Post by **Falcon30** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:27 am

I am dying to understand how they fit into the rules...

zeket10 · Post by **zeket10** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:59 am

Falcon30 wrote:I am dying to understand how they fit into the rules...

+1

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:27 am

zeket10 wrote:
Falcon30 wrote:I am dying to understand how they fit into the rules...
+1

Without being a rules expert, my guess is that the key is to think everyone has the "potential" to be eligible on any given play. Through motion and dropping men off the line of scrimmage, an entirely different set of players could be eligible at the snap than were eligible when a team broke the huddle. If you have to have five players on the line of scrimmage, with the outermost men still eligible, it's not that hard to conceive. And if you have a three-man line, if two wide outs and the tight end come off the line of scrimmage, the center is an eligible receiver.

Thinking about it from the point of the snap, not the initial formation makes it somewhat easier to comprehend. It's really just the "Poe Ditch Rat" in disguise.

Falcon30 · Post by **Falcon30** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:46 am

TG1996 wrote:
zeket10 wrote:
Falcon30 wrote:I am dying to understand how they fit into the rules...
+1
Without being a rules expert, my guess is that the key is to think everyone has the "potential" to be eligible on any given play. Through motion and dropping men off the line of scrimmage, an entirely different set of players could be eligible at the snap than were eligible when a team broke the huddle. If you have to have five players on the line of scrimmage, with the outermost men still eligible, it's not that hard to conceive. And if you have a three-man line, if two wide outs and the tight end come off the line of scrimmage, the center is an eligible receiver.

Thinking about it from the point of the snap, not the initial formation makes it somewhat easier to comprehend. It's really just the "Poe Ditch Rat" in disguise.

I watched some game film, and it's like two of the "receivers" didn't go out on each play. I still only get it a little. That would be a BITCH to officiate, I would think.

tiznow · Post by **tiznow** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:58 am

TG1996 wrote:
zeket10 wrote:
Falcon30 wrote:I am dying to understand how they fit into the rules...
+1
Without being a rules expert, my guess is that the key is to think everyone has the "potential" to be eligible on any given play. Through motion and dropping men off the line of scrimmage, an entirely different set of players could be eligible at the snap than were eligible when a team broke the huddle. If you have to have five players on the line of scrimmage, with the outermost men still eligible, it's not that hard to conceive. And if you have a three-man line, if two wide outs and the tight end come off the line of scrimmage, the center is an eligible receiver.

Thinking about it from the point of the snap, not the initial formation makes it somewhat easier to comprehend. It's really just the "Poe Ditch Rat" in disguise.

Your right. The Poe Ditch Rat never worked for good ole Moe.

Lord_Byron · Post by **Lord_Byron** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:43 am

TG1996 wrote:
zeket10 wrote:
Falcon30 wrote:I am dying to understand how they fit into the rules...
+1
Without being a rules expert, my guess is that the key is to think everyone has the "potential" to be eligible on any given play. Through motion and dropping men off the line of scrimmage, an entirely different set of players could be eligible at the snap than were eligible when a team broke the huddle. If you have to have five players on the line of scrimmage, with the outermost men still eligible, it's not that hard to conceive. And if you have a three-man line, if two wide outs and the tight end come off the line of scrimmage, the center is an eligible receiver.

Thinking about it from the point of the snap, not the initial formation makes it somewhat easier to comprehend. It's really just the "Poe Ditch Rat" in disguise.

I used to be a football official and unless they've changed, Federation (High School) rules require seven players on the line of scrimmage, five of which must have numbers between 50 and 79. Eligible receivers must be eligible by both position and number. Players can't "report" being eligible in high school like they can in the NFL.

The only time the numbering requirement is waived is if the offense is lined up in an obvious kicking formation. However, the requirement of seven players on the line still applies.

I don't see how this is possible outside Pop Warner or Vince Lombardi where the numbering requirements are often waived.

cw08 · Post by **cw08** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:29 am

I don't think it's as complicated as it seems. As long as seven guys are on the line and you don't throw to any of the interior five, it makes sense.

It almost seems too complicated for its own good. But with all the talented receivers BG has along with AT, this might be kind of cool to see them run.

mjmorefield · Post by **mjmorefield** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:16 am

Wouldn't the players #'s be a give-away on who is eligible?

Lord_Byron · Post by **Lord_Byron** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:24 am

As I looked further into it on their website, they claim that since they are in a scrimmage-kick formation, the numbering rules don't apply. So everyone on the field would have numbers 1-49 or 80-99.

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:51 pm

MarkL wrote:Innovative offense, really cool, but I just don't see that working at all in college. The jump from high school ball to college ball is absolutely incredible in the D Line. I just think a college D line would get to the QBs in a hurry without a true offensive line to protect them. I just see that offense ending very badly for the QBs.

Question - is this something like what Boise tried to do against Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl? In the first half, they came out in some crazy formation where Zabransky was behind WRs and O Lineman were near the line about ten yards from the ball. Oklahoma called a timeout so Boise never called a play out of that formation, but maybe something like this was what they had in mind.

the qb would against a tradition d line have plenty of time to find one of the WAY open recievers. the idea would be to draw out all the corners and lb from the other bench and get some good mismatches going.
the bigest problem I see is that on each play the eligable recievers would have to check in with the ref, so there would be no "hidding" who they were, unless all of them walked over each play, or series of plays from which they would use that set of WR. It could be used in college and has in many gimmick packages.

buffaloefalcon · Post by **buffaloefalcon** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:45 pm

Looks like a workable "O" that could work in college football regardless of the "D" line quickness. The field is wide open and there's a myriad of potential eligible players. Quick and elusive players would thrive in an environment like this one. Power offensive players wouldn't flourish so much in this type of offense though. You'd definately have to have the key roles in place to make this happen at the college level. It's kinda neat because their playing as if they would in a video game; i.e. running laterally to throw the ball instead of staying in the pocket.