BG football player in trouble

[Flipper]

Wow...what the hell are these kids thinking? I was no angel in my days at BG, but I would never have even thought of stealing. Yeah..the coaches have to be held accountable at some point. I know this stuff happens at other schools..hell Lionel Sullivan did the same thing beofre getting the boot from the hoops program IIRC, but when it happens every month, you have to wonder if the coaches are putting enough emphasis on "character" when they're recruiting.

I think we have Dodge and Young left form our last "Florida heavy" class....
Stanley, Wright, Hodges and Geter have all managed to piss away a free ride. Congratulations kids, you fucked up an opportunity to have someone else pay for something I spent five years and a lot of hours waiting tables to get...you suck.

[cw08]

If I'm Brandon all three are gone today. Not answering a question to a cop means you probably did something wrong. I'd can the first two and suspend Geter indefinitely. If not for the other case maybe you don't come down this hard, but it's a pattern now, and it's gotta stop.

[Falconboy]

Wow...what the hell are these kids thinking? I was no angel in my days at BG, but I would never have even thought of stealing. Yeah..the coaches have to be held accountable at some point. I know this stuff happens at other schools..hell Lionel Sullivan did the same thing beofre getting the boot from the hoops program IIRC, but when it happens every month, you have to wonder if the coaches are putting enough emphasis on "character" when they're recruiting.

I think we have Dodge and Young left form our last "Florida heavy" class....
Stanley, Wright, Hodges and Geter have all managed to piss away a free ride. Congratulations kids, you fucked up an opportunity to have someone else pay for something I spent five years and a lot of hours waiting tables to get...you suck.

Are seriously freaking kidding me. Those 2 are left from our last heavy Florida recruiting?? Unbelievable. So much for trying to get all this Florida talent. Going after all these Florida kids seems to have landed us mostly a bunch of numbnuts who are the absolute bottom of the barrel in terms of talent in anyway. Guys that Central Florida and USF won't take. GB better get a spine and real fast. Enough of this sh*t!

[hammb]

Maybe you haven't figured out yet that perception IS reality.

Maybe I am guilty of being old-fashioned, but for me, reality is reality. Truth and the facts matter.

OK, this is REALLY my last post on this thread.

When you are dealing with public opinions and general publicity perception is reality.

Baseball is perceived to be a screwed up roid heavy league while the NFL is everybody's angel. There are plenty of players in both leagues that are taking steroids, but the perception is that the NFL is strict in testing and is clean.

The NBA is perceived to be the league of thugs, despite the fact that there are far more criminal issues in the NFL. Again perception has overtaken the reality.

If you cannot grasp the fact that public perception is more important than the pure facts in cases such as this then I guess it just makes no sense to continue to argue. All I know is these things are not good for attendance, and they're not good for the school/program's reputation. They will be ammunition for opposing fans for years. Oh, which reminds me...what about that whole BGSTD thing? Perception becoming reality.


I'm with cw08. With the other crap that has gone on this past offseason I'd dismiss all 3 of them from the program immediately.

[BGTIMMY]

maybe we should change r name to the BG ROCKETS. What the hell. Great way to start the damn season.

[Flipper]

Dismiss all three? That shouldn't even be a question. Innocent until proven guiltyis a protection afforded to us by the Constitution. I don't think Gregg Brandon is held to the same standard when deciding who stays and who goes.

Can any of the DB's we recruitied play RB?

[Falconfreak90]

This is really bugging me....

MY money has gone to support these kids and they turn and do this... that bugs the shi+ out of me at this point.

Sorry, that's just how I'm feeling at the moment. People say these guys get a free ride through college.... nope. THEY don't pay for it... but we do. I feel shat upon.

Grant,

I was thinking the same thing the whole way home. It AIN'T a free ride...someone has to pay for it. These guys KNEW what they were doing was wrong. Just like Barrow and Hardwick. We have to pay the piper when we make bad choices. When I chose to drive drunk and got caught, I had to pay by spending days in the clink.

Ugh...it certainly sucks.

And someone else mentioned why they weren't asked for an ID. NO KIDDING! I can see getting away with it at the pump but in a store??

[cw08]

Dismiss all three? That shouldn't even be a question. Innocent until proven guiltyis a protection afforded to us by the Constitution. I don't think Gregg Brandon is held to the same standard when deciding who stays and who goes.

Can any of the DB's we recruitied play RB?

Lorenzi and Hodges sound like they admitted it. And Geter shouldn't play until his end of it is resolved. If your buddy offered to fill up your tank at 4$ a gallon wouldn't you think it suspicious?

[daspollak]

This is really bugging me....

MY money has gone to support these kids and they turn and do this... that bugs the shi+ out of me at this point.

Sorry, that's just how I'm feeling at the moment. People say these guys get a free ride through college.... nope. THEY don't pay for it... but we do. I feel shat upon.

Grant,

I was thinking the same thing the whole way home. It AIN'T a free ride...someone has to pay for it. These guys KNEW what they were doing was wrong. Just like Barrow and Hardwick. We have to pay the piper when we make bad choices. When I chose to drive drunk and got caught, I had to pay by spending days in the clink.

Ugh...it certainly sucks.

And someone else mentioned why they weren't asked for an ID. NO KIDDING! I can see getting away with it at the pump but in a store??

I have worked retail more years than I care to admit. I have been a cashier for most of those years, and I can say from personal experience that I rarely check for IDs. When you have a line and customers get upset for waiting you cut corners where you can. We are told that the store is held responsible for the charges, and I know most large chains have insurance for these types of situations. Once more thing on this topic... They could have gone through U-scan, and that would have eliminated any cashier control. What these guys did was wrong, and I don't see how they will be with this team any longer.

[jpfalcon09]

Reading the tidbits of the police report really makes me sick to my stomach. It makes me shake my head at how some people can have such absolute poor judgment. The fact these guys did this for almost a whole month is also pretty ridiculous, I'd be curious to see what else these guys bought with the stolen card.

Brandon should kick these losers off the team. Anyone would be fired from their job if they did this, so I hope he treats this as no differently. It's time for a no toleration policy by those in charge to end this crap.

These kids were handed everything on a silver platter, and they just pissed it away. I feel bad for their parents who will now have to live with the fact that their kids are essentially criminals who just lost a golden opportunity in their lives.

Let's all hope this is the last we hear of these things for awhile.

[Falconfreak90]

This is really bugging me....

MY money has gone to support these kids and they turn and do this... that bugs the shi+ out of me at this point.

Sorry, that's just how I'm feeling at the moment. People say these guys get a free ride through college.... nope. THEY don't pay for it... but we do. I feel shat upon.

Grant,

I was thinking the same thing the whole way home. It AIN'T a free ride...someone has to pay for it. These guys KNEW what they were doing was wrong. Just like Barrow and Hardwick. We have to pay the piper when we make bad choices. When I chose to drive drunk and got caught, I had to pay by spending days in the clink.

Ugh...it certainly sucks.

And someone else mentioned why they weren't asked for an ID. NO KIDDING! I can see getting away with it at the pump but in a store??

I have worked retail more years than I care to admit. I have been a cashier for most of those years, and I can say from personal experience that I rarely check for IDs. When you have a line and customers get upset for waiting you cut corners where you can. We are told that the store is held responsible for the charges, and I know most large chains have insurance for these types of situations. Once more thing on this topic... They could have gone through U-scan, and that would have eliminated any cashier control. What these guys did was wrong, and I don't see how they will be with this team any longer.

Good point. Thanks for the insight.

[mmisbg]

I'm with Hammb on this.

All you have to do is look at Urban Meyer's first act as head coach. They had players skipping mandatory study sessions, and Urban made the entire team miserable by having them run sprints until half of them were puking. He continued doing it at the end of every practice until as many players that had been skipping study sessions had quit the team.

What's more, the team posted its best record in years, and we went a fairly long time without needing threads like this one on our message board.

Why is this the case? The bottom line is that when the entire team is going to be punished for stuff like this, the players will police themselves.

If Brandon was setting the same standard, just maybe Geter would have told his buddies that called him up to take the stuff they bought back and burn that card....or at least refused to join them.

I agree that this stuff happens everywhere. Heck, this stuff happens in certain places and it never makes the news, and nothing ever happens as far as the team goes...and sometimes the police as well. But the bottom line is that it doesn't just hurt the team's image, it causes the team to be less unified on the field.

Case and point, when Meyer brought his standard to the program, he posted a winning record the following season. And he did that dispite the fact that he had struggled to recruit as a first year coach, and caused dang near 20 players from the team to quit.

On the other hand, I think that part of why our offense still struggles to pull things together goes back to AT's issues a few years ago. When the kid filled in for Omar's injury, I thought he had potential. However, I haven't thought that sense, and I don't think I'm just seeing what I want to. His most successful plays now are the ones he tucks the ball down and does the job himself. If you ask me, part of this is because of his off the field issue creating a lack of trust between him and his teammates.

This was stupid of these guys to do this, and Brandon is stupid if he doesn't start cleaning house. Hammb and I were talking about this a month ago, and we predicted that the problem would get worse if he didn't start bringing the hammer down......and we were right.

[BGSU33]

This offseason for BG has to be the most frustrating one for me since I stepped foot on campus in 1993. Enough is enough already! And if I hear another comment about how this kind of stuff happens at other schools across the country all the time, I’m going to explode. NEWS FLASH! Many of us don’t give a rat’s ass what happens at other schools across the country, and frankly, it’s not our problem. What is our problem is when it does hit home for us. Our school is BG, we care about BG, end of story. I don’t care what happens at Ohio State, I don’t care what happens at Toledo, and I don’t care what happens at LSU for that matter in terms of off-the-field problems. If 15 guys at USC get dismissed, or if 12 guys at Florida are arrested, or if 10 guys at New Mexico State quit, so be it. What I do care about is each and every one of the guys who put on orange and brown and represent an institution we all call our own and have grown to love. For every 15-20 guys at BG who do the right thing, it only takes one to give the institution a black eye. And Lord knows, this summer, we’ve had more than enough of our share of them. Between the arrests, suspensions, dismissals, defections, transfer and injuries, we have been through our share of crap, and it’s flat out embarrassing already. And here’s the kicker, we haven’t played a single down yet. Where is the character of this team? Where is the intelligent decision making?

For those players who have walked a straight line and aren’t part of these problems, I commend you and I’m sorry you’ve had these kind of disruptions for what is supposed to be a run at a championship season to get ready for. But for the guys who can’t seem to figure it out, get a F’in clue already! You are preseason MAC East favorites, start acting like it!!! You are a D-I football player. You are playing a sport at a level hundreds of thousands of guys every year wish they could but can’t. You are likely on a full ride with the chance to get a first-class education for playing a sport many of you love to begin with. Some of you will even be lucky enough to use this opportunity to springboard into a professional career in the sport. Why in the hell would you risk throwing all of it away for some weed, gas or an X-Box?! Let me save some of you the trouble in deciphering whether or not you’re going to get caught if you decide to drift in you’re decision making in the near future. Word to the wise- if you are going to do something to jeopardize your education and playing career here, or anywhere else for that matter - you’re going to get caught. Maybe not immediately, maybe not right away, but you will, leading to a likely arrest, dismissal, suspension, etc. Tell me, how hard is it to do the right thing anymore? When you want something someone else has (like, some weed for example), you don’t break into their home and try and take it. When you see something of someone else’s sitting there on the ground (like a credit card off the top of my head), you don’t pick it up and use it. And if you just can’t make yourself walk past it and you’re so inclined that you must pick it up, then do so, but try turning it in! These are thing a child in kindergarten can understand for crying out loud, you are in college, there’s no excuse. I can’t believe for one second that any of these guys didn’t know they were in the wrong. Guys, it’s plain and simple, what’s yours is yours and what isn’t, isn’t. How difficult is this to understand? If something seems too good to be true, it probably is. So the next time you’re out walking around and stumble across…oh let’s see…some weed, or a credit card that isn’t yours, just leave it alone.

[tiznow]

I'm with Hammb on this.

All you have to do is look at Urban Meyer's first act as head coach. They had players skipping mandatory study sessions, and Urban made the entire team miserable by having them run sprints until half of them were puking. He continued doing it at the end of every practice until as many players that had been skipping study sessions had quit the team.

What's more, the team posted its best record in years, and we went a fairly long time without needing threads like this one on our message board.

Why is this the case? The bottom line is that when the entire team is going to be punished for stuff like this, the players will police themselves.

If Brandon was setting the same standard, just maybe Geter would have told his buddies that called him up to take the stuff they bought back and burn that card....or at least refused to join them.

I agree that this stuff happens everywhere. Heck, this stuff happens in certain places and it never makes the news, and nothing ever happens as far as the team goes...and sometimes the police as well. But the bottom line is that it doesn't just hurt the team's image, it causes the team to be less unified on the field.

Case and point, when Meyer brought his standard to the program, he posted a winning record the following season. And he did that dispite the fact that he had struggled to recruit as a first year coach, and caused dang near 20 players from the team to quit.

On the other hand, I think that part of why our offense still struggles to pull things together goes back to AT's issues a few years ago. When the kid filled in for Omar's injury, I thought he had potential. However, I haven't thought that sense, and I don't think I'm just seeing what I want to. His most successful plays now are the ones he tucks the ball down and does the job himself. If you ask me, part of this is because of his off the field issue creating a lack of trust between him and his teammates.

This was stupid of these guys to do this, and Brandon is stupid if he doesn't start cleaning house. Hammb and I were talking about this a month ago, and we predicted that the problem would get worse if he didn't start bringing the hammer down......and we were right.

I agree with you to a certain extent, but did Meyer change his standard at Florida? He has had more than his share of problems at Florida. I feel like most everyone else. Pissed. Geter could have been a special player. I hope the X-box that was broken was worth it. They should be gone.

[bsman62]

This offseason for BG has to be the most frustrating one for me since I stepped foot on campus in 1993. Enough is enough already! And if I hear another comment about how this kind of stuff happens at other schools across the country all the time, I’m going to explode. NEWS FLASH! Many of us don’t give a rat’s ass what happens at other schools across the country, and frankly, it’s not our problem. What is our problem is when it does hit home for us. Our school is BG, we care about BG, end of story. I don’t care what happens at Ohio State, I don’t care what happens at Toledo, and I don’t care what happens at LSU for that matter in terms of off-the-field problems. If 15 guys at USC get dismissed, or if 12 guys at Florida are arrested, or if 10 guys at New Mexico State quit, so be it. What I do care about is each and every one of the guys who put on orange and brown and represent an institution we all call our own and have grown to love. For every 15-20 guys at BG who do the right thing, it only takes one to give the institution a black eye. And Lord knows, this summer, we’ve had more than enough of our share of them. Between the arrests, suspensions, dismissals, defections, transfer and injuries, we have been through our share of crap, and it’s flat out embarrassing already. And here’s the kicker, we haven’t played a single down yet. Where is the character of this team? Where is the intelligent decision making?

For those players who have walked a straight line and aren’t part of these problems, I commend you and I’m sorry you’ve had these kind of disruptions for what is supposed to be a run at a championship season to get ready for. But for the guys who can’t seem to figure it out, get a F’in clue already! You are preseason MAC East favorites, start acting like it!!! You are a D-I football player. You are playing a sport at a level hundreds of thousands of guys every year wish they could but can’t. You are likely on a full ride with the chance to get a first-class education for playing a sport many of you love to begin with. Some of you will even be lucky enough to use this opportunity to springboard into a professional career in the sport. Why in the hell would you risk throwing all of it away for some weed, gas or an X-Box?! Let me save some of you the trouble in deciphering whether or not you’re going to get caught if you decide to drift in you’re decision making in the near future. Word to the wise- if you are going to do something to jeopardize your education and playing career here, or anywhere else for that matter - you’re going to get caught. Maybe not immediately, maybe not right away, but you will, leading to a likely arrest, dismissal, suspension, etc. Tell me, how hard is it to do the right thing anymore? When you want something someone else has (like, some weed for example), you don’t break into their home and try and take it. When you see something of someone else’s sitting there on the ground (like a credit card off the top of my head), you don’t pick it up and use it. And if you just can’t make yourself walk past it and you’re so inclined that you must pick it up, then do so, but try turning it in! These are thing a child in kindergarten can understand for crying out loud, you are in college, there’s no excuse. I can’t believe for one second that any of these guys didn’t know they were in the wrong. Guys, it’s plain and simple, what’s yours is yours and what isn’t, isn’t. How difficult is this to understand? If something seems too good to be true, it probably is. So the next time you’re out walking around and stumble across…oh let’s see…some weed that isn’t yours, or a credit card that isn’t yours, just leave it alone.
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