SO Your Saying We Got a Chance

daspollak · Post by **daspollak** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:59 pm

Falcon137 wrote:
droo31 wrote:The BGSU run defense will have to perform better than against Pitt. Mainly because BSU is legitimately 4 deep at running back, headlined by Ian Johnson.
Pitt has 2 really really good backs. Stephens Howelling (sp?) was better than McCoy when we played them. Top to bottom, I would rather have Pitt's running backs.

+1

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:10 pm

We absolutely have a chance. In today's paper, the line started at 17 and has moved to BG +15 1/2.

We all know how dominant Boise State has been on that field....I mean 59-2 since 1999???????

IF we hang onto the ball, we can win...pretty simple. If we turn it over like we did against MN, we're in trouble.

Boise State, despite the youth, is still a formidable team. And Ian J. is as good as almost any back in the country, IMO.

If BG can pull this one off, that sour taste from the MN game will be long gone.

GO FALCONS!

droo31 · Post by **droo31** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:37 pm

daspollak wrote:
Falcon137 wrote:
droo31 wrote:The BGSU run defense will have to perform better than against Pitt. Mainly because BSU is legitimately 4 deep at running back, headlined by Ian Johnson.
Pitt has 2 really really good backs. Stephens Howelling (sp?) was better than McCoy when we played them. Top to bottom, I would rather have Pitt's running backs.
+1

Then you are in for a rude awakening. Ian Johnson, DJ Harper, Jeremy Avery and Doug Martin may be the deepest and best RB corps in the west. No joke. Ian Johnson alone has averaged nearly 6 yards per carry in his four years at BSU while rushing for over 3,500 yards and 46 TDs. Johnson alone is far better than any back that Pitt has currently and Ian is actually the slowest of the 4. BGSU will have to play better run defense against BSU than Pitt, period. The only thing you have going for you there is that we have a young, small-ish O-line that is untested.

BGSUVA · Post by **BGSUVA** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:38 pm

saying someone would rather have LeSean McCoy is nothing to be offended about.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:03 pm

I love me some Ian Johnson.

But I'll take Shady.

droo31 · Post by **droo31** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:35 pm

I was speaking more to the production and depth of BSU as compared to Pitt rather than knocking McCoy.

BSU is ridiculously deep at that position and I believe that time may show that Ian Johnson (the headliner) may not even be the "best" of that group.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:45 pm

droo31 wrote:I was speaking more to the production and depth of BSU as compared to Pitt rather than knocking McCoy.

BSU is ridiculously deep at that position and I believe that time may show that Ian Johnson (the headliner) may not even be the "best" of that group.

I'm not concerned about what time beyond 4 days will show. As of right now, I don't think any of the 4 that BSU can run out there are as good as McCoy. You can tout the depth all you want, but in a one game snapshot, depth is pretty much moot. Johnson is a hell of a back, and I'm scared to death he'll tear us apart, but if our Pitt run D shows up, he and his backups will all have a relatively tough time.

If the Minnesota run D shows up, all 4 of 'em might get 100.

droo31 · Post by **droo31** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:56 pm

If BGSU really stacks the box against the run... we have some damn fine receivers too that would love to get more touches. Don't let our frosh QB's size and year fool you...the kid is a baller that is destined to break every Boise State passing record on the books.

BoiCState · Post by **BoiCState** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:58 pm

Jeremy avery our sophomore back was recruited by every pac ten school including usc. however he was a late qualifier and fell into our laps. he is 5'9" 168 and will be the most electric player along with titus young bowling green sees this year, our other sophomore rb dj harper turned down offers from arkansas and texas tech to come here. difference between us and pitt is we will be able to stretch the field and stacking the box just wont due. What can we expect from the bgu backs???

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
droo31 wrote:I was speaking more to the production and depth of BSU as compared to Pitt rather than knocking McCoy.

BSU is ridiculously deep at that position and I believe that time may show that Ian Johnson (the headliner) may not even be the "best" of that group.

I'm not concerned about what time beyond 4 days will show. As of right now, I don't think any of the 4 that BSU can run out there are as good as McCoy. You can tout the depth all you want, but in a one game snapshot, depth is pretty much moot. Johnson is a hell of a back, and I'm scared to death he'll tear us apart, but if our Pitt run D shows up, he and his backups will all have a relatively tough time.

If the Minnesota run D shows up, all 4 of 'em might get 100.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:00 pm

BoiCState wrote:Jeremy avery our sophomore back was recruited by every pac ten school including usc. however he was a late qualifier and fell into our laps. he is 5'9" 168 and will be the most electric player along with titus young bowling green sees this year, our other sophomore rb dj harper turned down offers from arkansas and texas tech to come here. difference between us and pitt is we will be able to stretch the field and stacking the box just wont due. What can we expect from the bgu backs???

Fumbles.

Falconboy · Post by **Falconboy** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:05 pm

BoiCState wrote:Jeremy avery our sophomore back was recruited by every pac ten school including usc. however he was a late qualifier and fell into our laps. he is 5'9" 168 and will be the most electric player along with titus young bowling green sees this year, our other sophomore rb dj harper turned down offers from arkansas and texas tech to come here. difference between us and pitt is we will be able to stretch the field and stacking the box just wont due. What can we expect from the bgu backs???

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
droo31 wrote:I was speaking more to the production and depth of BSU as compared to Pitt rather than knocking McCoy.

BSU is ridiculously deep at that position and I believe that time may show that Ian Johnson (the headliner) may not even be the "best" of that group.

I'm not concerned about what time beyond 4 days will show. As of right now, I don't think any of the 4 that BSU can run out there are as good as McCoy. You can tout the depth all you want, but in a one game snapshot, depth is pretty much moot. Johnson is a hell of a back, and I'm scared to death he'll tear us apart, but if our Pitt run D shows up, he and his backups will all have a relatively tough time.

If the Minnesota run D shows up, all 4 of 'em might get 100.

Well you've made your point well. I fully expect us to wet our proverbial jock straps in this game. The smurf turn obviously has its effect on teams whatever it is. Your AD should really figure out a way to get a top 10 team to come to your place to test that smurf turf edge.

BoiCState · Post by **BoiCState** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:15 pm

to be honest im really torn in this game. i think our rbs will get yards, i just dont know how many will come rushing. from what i saw in game one i think that our pass protect will be good but i just did not see the o line knocking people off the ball. our rbs really are "that good" however they need space to work with. there will prob will be a lot of stretch handoffs, counters, pitches, and screen passes. i dont see them being able to ram it down your throat like we would have in years past. i look forward to watching your good d line pressure our new o line so we can see how they respond!

Iodine129 · Post by **Iodine129** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:21 pm

Howdy Falcons!

Here's the deal with BSU:

We have what is most likely the best collection of skill players we have ever had, which is saying something. Our lines are a bit of a question and that is why this game is so interesting. We are especially wondering how our young O line will do against some better competition. I think everyone over here respects you guys, but we are also not used to loosing on the blue. I, for one am totally stoked for this one. Should be an absolutely packed and very, very, very loud game. We were once accused by Wyoming's HC Joe Glenn of piping crowd noise into the stadium. Really. We are very intrigued by your multiple quarterback system and it will be a great test or our defense.

Falcon137 · Post by **Falcon137** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:38 pm

Listen I understand you Boise fans may think you have the best group of backs in the nation, what fan base doesn't love their own players? What I'm saying is as a neutral observer Pitt's top 2 backs are better than the top 2 Boise is going to throw out there.

How many snaps does each back get? Seems to me having 4 backs would just draw away from Johnson, the less touches he gets the better (for us

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GhostTown56 · Post by **GhostTown56** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:22 pm

As much as I, and the rest of Bronco Nation love Ian, I really don't look for us to run rough shod over many teams this year. Boise State will get their usual 200 to 250 yards rushing against most of our crappy conference, but not against this experienced BGSU team or any other team with an above average front 7. It was proven last year that it's too easy to stack the box when all BSU wants to do is run.

Like another Bronco fan said earlier, you'll probably see a lot of screens and short yardage pass plays that are based off of misdirection from our backs. Of course there will be some base running plays to keep the Falcons honest, but I really feel the Broncos will be heading to the air more often than we've seen in the past.

Of course it was only the first game of the year against a team that we probably shouldn't even have on our schedule (meaning the play book was severally limited), but Ian only gathered 87 yards. No other back did better. When ISU stacked the box and we ran, they stopped us about 70% of the time.

The key to Bowling Greens success in this game will be QB pressure. If the Falcons can somehow rattle our supposedly "unrattleable" (that a word?) new QB then Boise State will get out scored and lose.

I don't think our defense strikes fear in anyone at this point. They have a lot to prove still before they can claim to be close to the same level as the '04-'06 defense.