Bad news on Goodson

[Flipper]

Damn...who would've thought that J4H was really R. Kelly?

[ZiggyZoomba]

Damn...who would've thought that J4H was really R. Kelly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiKAdyixU3U

[BleedOrange]

This story does not sound right. Did he even have intercourse with her or not. How could the girl not know that Goodsen was not her boyfriend? I hope he is not convicted and we do not rescind his scholly because he is a heck of a player. That does not excuse his behavior or lack thereof.

Good point. The reported facts don't line up.

Gang, let's hold off on the Drano. We don't have the facts yet. Reports like these are notoriously flaky.

=>One part of the story is verifiable:

"She said she later received a text message from her boyfriend saying, “Sorry and that it was only a joke.”

Yup. "IT" was only a joke. "IT". One side can say IT was one thing, and the other side might say IT was something completely different. That text message gets us nowhere. Do we even know that the text message referred to the alleged incident?

Again, until we have the facts, all that we're doing is moving around a lot of 0s and 1s.

=>Beyond the he said-she saids, there is only one part of anyone's story the police could objectively verify. If she said he texted that, she can back herself up and prove it my showing the police her phone. Besides that, there is nothing objective to back up her version or Goodsen's version (whatever that may be). The text message clearly supports her version of the facts that 1. she did not know it was not her boyfriend and 2. that her boyfriend was playing a joke on her.

Assuming the phone sez what she sez it sez, as far as scoring objective cooberative evidence (that is reported in the article anyway), it is Alleged Victim 1, Goodsen 0. The best Goodsen could do is explain away the text message as did mean some other joke (maybe with the help of his buddy/Alleged Victim's Boyfriend). But Goodsen cannot deny the existence of it.

If the rape kit shows Goodsen's DNA (particularly if it is sperm or skin found in fingernails of Alleged Victim), then that text message would be huge evidence to show it was a non-consensual (thus a rape under Ohio law). Why? If the boyfriend just found out his girlfriend had consensual sex with his friend, he would not have been apologizing to her shortly thereafter for playing some other kind of minor joke on her. Instead, the boyfriend would be a little p!ssed off at her and thus in no mood to apologize to her.

Boyfriend to self: "My girlfriend just cheated on me. I think I will text her to apologize for pulling her chair out from under her as she was sitting."

Blah blah ASSUMING blah blah yippity yappity IF...THEN blah blah blah blah WHY? IF blah blah blah IF SHE SAID HE TEXTED...COULD VERIFY...blah blah blah yadda yadda IF IF IF IF blah blah blah blah WOULD BE HUGE... goo goo dahr dahr blah blah NO MOOD blah gah blah bah gurgle TEXT MESSAGE blabba bibbble BOYFRIEND TO SELF boingo foingo zoingo SCORING OBJECTIVE CORROBERATIVE EVIDENCE zip zap bim bap clap wap dap. BULLSHIT!


Look, I can sit here and analyze, speculate, extrapolate, and contrive as well as you can, but I choose not to.

ONLY facts matter in this situation, and YOU DON'T HAVE THEM. (You don't even know if the facts that you think that you have are actually facts.) Don't confuse facts with conjecture, opinion, hypotheses, or things that might be facts. You can't say anything that actually means a damned thing.

Far more importantly, we're talking about a real human being, a kid, who DID or DID NOT take particular action that is extremely serious and life changing. Publicly dragging his name thru the mud based on speculation, hypotheticals, and would-be's is, to put it simply, WRONG. It's unfair to Goodson and the girl. It's intellectually dishonest. Law enforcement will hopefully do its job. In the meantime, we should shut the hell up on this and not turn AZZ into a tabloid forum.

[mollautt]

Blah blah ASSUMING blah blah yippity yappity IF...THEN blah blah blah blah WHY? IF blah blah blah IF SHE SAID HE TEXTED...COULD VERIFY...blah blah blah yadda yadda IF IF IF IF blah blah blah blah WOULD BE HUGE... goo goo dahr dahr blah blah NO MOOD blah gah blah bah gurgle TEXT MESSAGE blabba bibbble BOYFRIEND TO SELF boingo foingo zoingo SCORING OBJECTIVE CORROBERATIVE EVIDENCE zip zap bim bap clap wap dap. BULLSHIT!


Look, I can sit here and analyze, speculate, extrapolate, and contrive as well as you can, but I choose not to.

ONLY facts matter in this situation, and YOU DON'T HAVE THEM. (You don't even know if the facts that you think that you have are actually facts.) Don't confuse facts with conjecture, opinion, hypotheses, or things that might be facts. You can't say anything that actually means a damned thing.

Far more importantly, we're talking about a real human being, a kid, who DID or DID NOT take particular action that is extremely serious and life changing. Publicly dragging his name thru the mud based on speculation, hypotheticals, and would-be's is, to put it simply, WRONG. It's unfair to Goodson and the girl. It's intellectually dishonest. Law enforcement will hopefully do its job. In the meantime, we should shut the hell up on this and not turn AZZ into a tabloid forum.

=>You can be as bold and rude as you need to be, but the fact is someone started a thread on this topic for the sole purpose of informing others of the situation and discussing it. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you do not read the thread.

I would also suggest you do not watch and news programs where they discuss high profile legal cases. You know, like on CNBC, Fox News, CNN, CourtTV (before it went under), etc.

You would look at the T.V. and say "ONLY facts matter in this situation, and GRETA VANSUSTREN DON'T HAVE THEM. (GRETA don't even know if the facts that GRETA thinks that she has are actually facts.) Don't confuse facts with conjecture, opinion, hypotheses, or things that might be facts. GRETA can't say anything that actually means a damned thing."

I contributed to the discussion and you know that.


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By the way, how did you know I do not have the facts? I am a trial attorney in downtown Cincinnati. I work 2 buildings down from where Goodson was booked. Across the street is the Hamilton County Courthouse. Next door is the Hamilton County Prosecutor and Public Defender offices.

(For the record, I know nothing and have heard nothing besides what was in the Enquirer story. )

[BleedOrange]

Blah blah ASSUMING blah blah yippity yappity IF...THEN blah blah blah blah WHY? IF blah blah blah IF SHE SAID HE TEXTED...COULD VERIFY...blah blah blah yadda yadda IF IF IF IF blah blah blah blah WOULD BE HUGE... goo goo dahr dahr blah blah NO MOOD blah gah blah bah gurgle TEXT MESSAGE blabba bibbble BOYFRIEND TO SELF boingo foingo zoingo SCORING OBJECTIVE CORROBERATIVE EVIDENCE zip zap bim bap clap wap dap. BULLSHIT!


Look, I can sit here and analyze, speculate, extrapolate, and contrive as well as you can, but I choose not to.

ONLY facts matter in this situation, and YOU DON'T HAVE THEM. (You don't even know if the facts that you think that you have are actually facts.) Don't confuse facts with conjecture, opinion, hypotheses, or things that might be facts. You can't say anything that actually means a damned thing.

Far more importantly, we're talking about a real human being, a kid, who DID or DID NOT take particular action that is extremely serious and life changing. Publicly dragging his name thru the mud based on speculation, hypotheticals, and would-be's is, to put it simply, WRONG. It's unfair to Goodson and the girl. It's intellectually dishonest. Law enforcement will hopefully do its job. In the meantime, we should shut the hell up on this and not turn AZZ into a tabloid forum.

=>You can be as bold and rude as you need to be, but the fact is someone started a thread on this topic for the sole purpose of informing others of the situation and discussing it. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you do not read the thread.

I would also suggest you do not watch and news programs where they discuss high profile legal cases. You know, like on CNBC, Fox News, CNN, CourtTV (before it went under), etc.

You would look at the T.V. and say "ONLY facts matter in this situation, and GRETA VANSUSTREN DON'T HAVE THEM. (GRETA don't even know if the facts that GRETA thinks that she has are actually facts.) Don't confuse facts with conjecture, opinion, hypotheses, or things that might be facts. GRETA can't say anything that actually means a damned thing."

I contributed to the discussion and you know that.


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By the way, how did you know I do not have the facts? I am a trial attorney in downtown Cincinnati. I work 2 buildings down from where Goodson was booked. Across the street is the Hamilton County Courthouse. Next door is the Hamilton County Prosecutor and Public Defender offices.

(For the record, I know nothing and have heard nothing besides what was in the Enquirer story. )

Someone announced the newspaper story. Then, we had few small comments. Then, you decided to play TV legal analyst by offering a detailed dissection of a 17 year old based on an initial third-hand report. You may model your dialogue after big media commercial trash like Greta, Fox News, CNBC, etc. It doesn't legitimize the lack of judgment, respect, or taste. Greta, et al., do it for solely for market share (and I do generally avoid those type of outlets). Why would YOU come out here and republisize and rehash this dirt? I've known you online for several years, and I'm surprised. I expect more. I will be here waiting for and answering any other garbage you have to bring to this thread. Leave Goodson alone on AZZ.

[transfer2BGSU]

By the way, how did you know I do not have the facts? I am a trial attorney in downtown Cincinnati. I work 2 buildings down from where Goodson was booked. Across the street is the Hamilton County Courthouse. Next door is the Hamilton County Prosecutor and Public Defender offices.

(For the record, I know nothing and have heard nothing besides what was in the Enquirer story. )

It was bad enough to know that he was from Miami.

Now we learn he is also an attorney? What in the devil is happening to this world?

[ZiggyZoomba]

Blah blah ASSUMING blah blah yippity yappity IF...THEN blah blah blah blah WHY? IF blah blah blah IF SHE SAID HE TEXTED...COULD VERIFY...blah blah blah yadda yadda IF IF IF IF blah blah blah blah WOULD BE HUGE... goo goo dahr dahr blah blah NO MOOD blah gah blah bah gurgle TEXT MESSAGE blabba bibbble BOYFRIEND TO SELF boingo foingo zoingo SCORING OBJECTIVE CORROBERATIVE EVIDENCE zip zap bim bap clap wap dap. BULLSHIT!


Look, I can sit here and analyze, speculate, extrapolate, and contrive as well as you can, but I choose not to.

ONLY facts matter in this situation, and YOU DON'T HAVE THEM. (You don't even know if the facts that you think that you have are actually facts.) Don't confuse facts with conjecture, opinion, hypotheses, or things that might be facts. You can't say anything that actually means a damned thing.

Far more importantly, we're talking about a real human being, a kid, who DID or DID NOT take particular action that is extremely serious and life changing. Publicly dragging his name thru the mud based on speculation, hypotheticals, and would-be's is, to put it simply, WRONG. It's unfair to Goodson and the girl. It's intellectually dishonest. Law enforcement will hopefully do its job. In the meantime, we should shut the hell up on this and not turn AZZ into a tabloid forum.

=>You can be as bold and rude as you need to be, but the fact is someone started a thread on this topic for the sole purpose of informing others of the situation and discussing it. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you do not read the thread.

I would also suggest you do not watch and news programs where they discuss high profile legal cases. You know, like on CNBC, Fox News, CNN, CourtTV (before it went under), etc.

You would look at the T.V. and say "ONLY facts matter in this situation, and GRETA VANSUSTREN DON'T HAVE THEM. (GRETA don't even know if the facts that GRETA thinks that she has are actually facts.) Don't confuse facts with conjecture, opinion, hypotheses, or things that might be facts. GRETA can't say anything that actually means a damned thing."

I contributed to the discussion and you know that.


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By the way, how did you know I do not have the facts? I am a trial attorney in downtown Cincinnati. I work 2 buildings down from where Goodson was booked. Across the street is the Hamilton County Courthouse. Next door is the Hamilton County Prosecutor and Public Defender offices.

(For the record, I know nothing and have heard nothing besides what was in the Enquirer story. )

Someone announced the newspaper story. Then, we had few small comments. Then, you decided to play TV legal analyst by offering a detailed dissection of a 17 year old based on an initial third-hand report. You may model your dialogue after big media commercial trash like Greta, Fox News, CNBC, etc. It doesn't legitimize the lack of judgment, respect, or taste. Greta, et al., do it for solely for market share (and I do generally avoid those type of outlets). Why would YOU come out here and republisize and rehash this dirt? I've known you online for several years, and I'm surprised. I expect more. I will be here waiting for and answering any other garbage you have to bring to this thread. Leave Goodson alone on AZZ.

Guys, quit the pissing match. That's for football and hockey forums.

Really, glad the info was brought forth here. I personally hope it's not what it looks like... but kind of think it probably is. And I'm glad we have someone "in the know" down in Cinci keeping track of things for us.

Hey Mollautt, you ever get back to Oxford? SDS Pizza still in business? And, more importantly, if so.... can you still get the "Power sauce??"

[mollautt]

Hey Mollautt, you ever get back to Oxford? SDS Pizza still in business? And, more importantly, if so.... can you still get the "Power sauce??"

=>Yes, yes, and I am not familiar with the power sauce.

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Grand jury does not indict!

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... ncinnati.c

[Jacobs4Heisman]

Does Goodson have a libel case against the paper that ran the original story including his name and picture?

[BleedOrange]

Does Goodson have a libel case against the paper that ran the original story including his name and picture?

I hope the stain on this kid's reputation can wash out soon. Stuff like this has a way of living on, regardless of veracity.

[Flipper]

Which is probably why they shouldn't reveal the identity of people accused of sexual offenses until they're convicetred or at least formally indicted or charged.