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redskins4ever wrote:Today's Falcon Marching Band cannot hold a candle to that of the one in the 80's, and the fact that anyone could claim that today's band is one of the best in the nation must only be considering the top 1000 college bands in the country, and then you could say its in the top 90%.

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Although I have my disagreements with Dr. Hayward from time to time, I do respect the fact that she has somehow brought the band back from the dead. Six years ago the band could not hold a tune much less be warranted with the kind of credit some people are giving us. Consider the kind of progress that has been made, its gone from terrible, to top of the class (just my humble opinion) in only five years. If our football team had that kind of progress we would be cheering them on at the rose bowl soon.

There is so much more to add to this, but I fear my ignorance greatly outweighs that which I actually know on the matter, so in the words of RD Mathey, I'm gonna put the puppy to bed.
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It did happen, once under Blackney, and a second time under Urban Meyer. Too bad for UM that his teams ran out of gas.
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moneymaker02 wrote: the only reason people go to football games for the smaller schools in the south is for the band. osu's traditional style band is boring and the dot the I thing is way overrated. you want a school that really cares about their band try florida a&m.
In high school (and a little in college), the only reason I went to OSU games (and I went down on campus many Saturday gameday mornings even when I did not have a ticket to the game) was to see the OSU Marching Band: skull session, pre-game entrance, halftime, and post game. Today, the only time I actually watch OSU play football is when they play my Falcons.

The only reason I even considered OSU was to try out for the band and dot the I. I decided I needed a better reason to attend a college than that. I think I made the right choice.
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OU has a nice band.
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BGfootballfan wrote:
Strouse wrote:The few of you who have responded to this and hate the fact that the FMB played a couple times longer than we should have represent a very small minority. As far as recommending suspending the FMB...seriously?!? Grow a pair and realize that the game was closer than you care to realize and it wasn't the band's fault the team lost. Telling the band that it shouldn't be playing at all when BG has the ball is like telling the crowd that it needs to be completely silent at all times when BG has the ball. It's ridiculous. Besides, I'm almost certain that the majority of the football team would fight against statements like that. They enjoy having the FMB there. If you don't like a Big Game atmosphere then go elsewhere. Realize that yeah, the game sucked because we lost. But seriously think about this...would you be complaining about the FMB had we won? I highly doubt it.
Not true, I always complain about the BAND at the FOOTBALL game. They play at the wrong times, and play music that no one on the field would ever get fired up over. No one playing football wa alive when the A-Team was on. C'mon, FOOTBALL game not band competition.

Home team should never have the band playing when they are running a play. PERIOD. This is a complete joke, and no one should have to tell the band director this. Remember BAND, this is a FOOTBALL game, not all about you. We could have Gladieoux replace you too.
You, sir, are a moron.

wait...MORON.

You still owe the band an apology. That and you are too chicken to answer my direct questions. Cowardly.
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I think this should be moved into the BGSU band forum at this point please.
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First of all I do not think the band should be replaced, just revised. Please everyone involved with the band please un-bunch the underoos.

When a band is at a band competition they can do whatever they want, but when at a football (notice lack of caps) game they should follow several rules.

1. Never under any circumstance play when BG has the ball and is at the line of scrimmage. (this did not only happen with Sweet Caroline but many other times throughout game)

2. Get rid of Sweet Caroline. (I understand that this is mandated by the athletic department, but maybe band members could take a vote on something else to play, and present this idea to AD, that could help motivate the team and fans for the 4th quarter.)

3. Pay attention to the game. (Examples, quit trying to do the frickin wave during key 4th quarter parts of the game, Not playing the B_G_S_U song after EMU gets 8 yards on first down. Please play motivating songs at the right times.) It would alsobe nice to hear school songs after we had a big play and not see the band focused on the wave or whatever else.

4. Update the playlist. Maybe some more modern music could be mixed into the playlist or things that can get someone motivated. I love the fight song, but some additional music that players may have heard of would be nice.)

5. This has nothing to do with the band but the cannon on kick offs is complete bush league and needs to be stopped instantly. The robotic PA announcer must go as well.(What is Dave Horger doing?, he would be perfect)

6. Realize band members, halftime is for you, your moment in the sun, please do whatever during this time. I enjoy your halftime shows, please keep them up and remember to save the dramatic for this time and focus on the right time to play during games.

I do not think band members are the equivalent of toilets, it was just an example I was using after the terrible performance by everyone involved during saturdays performance. The only thing about saturday that did not let me down was the urinal that happened to flush correctly. And, if it makes you feel any better, I think the band is doing a much better job then our current coaching staff. I will no longer disrespect the falcon marching band, but please take my comments as constructive criticism(many feel the same as me).

One last thought to ponder.....Gary Blackney was man enough to resign his position after the most humiliating loss in school history(Buffalo), how does Mr. Brandon feel after the Temple and EMU loss?
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You, sir, are a moron.

wait...MORON.

You still owe the band an apology. That and you are too chicken to answer my direct questions. Cowardly.[/quote]


There has to be a question to answer. Are you to chicken/cowardly/moron to ask? Name calling is so childish. (Just like the wave)
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BGfootballfan wrote:First of all I do not think the band should be replaced, just revised. Please everyone involved with the band please un-bunch the underoos.

When a band is at a band competition they can do whatever they want, but when at a football (notice lack of caps) game they should follow several rules.

1. Never under any circumstance play when BG has the ball and is at the line of scrimmage. (this did not only happen with Sweet Caroline but many other times throughout game)
Mostly true, but not as easy or black and white as you make it. Also not as big of a deal as you make it out to be.
2. Get rid of Sweet Caroline. (I understand that this is mandated by the athletic department, but maybe band members could take a vote on something else to play, and present this idea to AD, that could help motivate the team and fans for the 4th quarter.)
The band has zero voice or control of this and the timing. ASk the AD
3. Pay attention to the game. (Examples, quit trying to do the frickin wave during key 4th quarter parts of the game, Not playing the B_G_S_U song after EMU gets 8 yards on first down. Please play motivating songs at the right times.) It would alsobe nice to hear school songs after we had a big play and not see the band focused on the wave or whatever else.
It's stupid to think that you know every time the band should play. Should the fans only cheer when the team does something great, or is trying to get everyone going only for fans like you? I agree that the wave is LAME and the band shouldn't be doing it, but it isn't like they are sitting down reading magazines. It's a football game. Fans sometimes do the wave. Also remember that the band is "on" during stoppages in play. If they were thoroughly invested in every play it gets mentally draining to have no time to do anything other than have eyes forward. You can stand up and get a drink during breaks, the band doesn't have "breaks"
4. Update the playlist. Maybe some more modern music could be mixed into the playlist or things that can get someone motivated. I love the fight song, but some additional music that players may have heard of would be nice.)
Your donation to the BGSU music library can be made out to "BGSU Bands." Do you really think the PLAYERS are the only people the band should cater to? That's pretty foolish. The paying customers are over 22 most of the time and most of us know the a-team theme song and it's kind of fun to listen to.

Also - I believe you have to get permission from the publisher to arrange the piece for marching band and perform it. Those fees were around 3-500 bucks a tune or you can buy a song (The FMB needs to buy multiple copies of the same song to have enough original parts for each member.) Think about $120 - $210 per tune.

It doesn't make sense to keep playing whatever boy band is on the radio so you can hear something "current." Also a lot of the current stuff is very difficult to arrange for a marching band. Overly simple music doesn't always work. Try to arrange Gold Digger by Kanye West for Marching Band. You can't do it justice. Bands try to acquire more timeless pieces due to financial necessity. Feel free to make a donation if you want more music in their hands. Oh, and be prepared for the walking toilets to have a few extra hours of practice to get the new tunes down.
5. This has nothing to do with the band but the cannon on kick offs is complete bush league and needs to be stopped instantly. The robotic PA announcer must go as well.(What is Dave Horger doing?, he would be perfect)
Agreed 100% on all counts
6. Realize band members, halftime is for you, your moment in the sun, please do whatever during this time. I enjoy your halftime shows, please keep them up and remember to save the dramatic for this time and focus on the right time to play during games.
You have no clue what a marching band is supposed to do. You shouldn't even speak of it in public. Seriously. Next time, find a local band director and ask him or her before you speak.

Ugh - please remember that a 200+ piece ensemble isn't a radio or a CD player and they can't have any song ready at any opportunity with a few seconds' notice. They also can't play for every moment which might be big, and it's not a good thing to sit there in silence for a quarter if nothing is happening.
I do not think band members are the equivalent of toilets, it was just an example I was using after the terrible performance by everyone involved during saturdays performance. The only thing about saturday that did not let me down was the urinal that happened to flush correctly. And, if it makes you feel any better, I think the band is doing a much better job then our current coaching staff. I will no longer disrespect the falcon marching band, but please take my comments as constructive criticism(many feel the same as me).
Some of your criticism of "the band" is completely short-sighted. Some is outright stupid. The only valid things you say are that they shouldn't play when we have the ball. That may be a MAC rule, but I don't think it is an NCAA rule, and if the players or coach has a problem, let them talk about it, not you.

The rest of your comments are personal opinion and hold no more weight than any other fan. Your opinion is not law, and I would be willing to bet you are in the minority.

You DID compare the band to flush toilets. It was completely out of line. They are FAR more than an accessory to the game. They enhance the experience. Most of all, they are human beings, and I don't care if it is the PA guy, the Cheerleaders, the water boy, or the guy who combs the fake turf, they mean more than a flush toilet. It shouldn't have taken all these people jumping on you to get a little more moderate in your tone. You do still owe the band an apology.
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Falcon30 wrote: <<<<snip>>>>.... The only valid things you say are that they shouldn't play when we have the ball. That may be a MAC rule, but I don't think it is an NCAA rule, and if the players or coach has a problem, let them talk about it, not you.
I could not diasgree with you more on this particular topic. I've been attending football games at BGSU for over 25 years. I don't need permission from you nor do I need the players or coaches to act as a proxy if I want to criticize the band for playing when the ball is in play.
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I really like OU's band.
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BGorDeath wrote:I really like OU's band.
OU has a good band.
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h2oville rocket wrote:
BGorDeath wrote:I really like OU's band.
OU has a good band.
If you like your ears to bleed, they are awesome.

Sorry, I don't like their sound. it's saying mcDonalds has a great cheeseburger.

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Flipper wrote:
Falcon30 wrote: <<<<snip>>>>.... The only valid things you say are that they shouldn't play when we have the ball. That may be a MAC rule, but I don't think it is an NCAA rule, and if the players or coach has a problem, let them talk about it, not you.
I could not diasgree with you more on this particular topic. I've been attending football games at BGSU for over 25 years. I don't need permission from you nor do I need the players or coaches to act as a proxy if I want to criticize the band for playing when the ball is in play.
No problem with saying it. But be respectful about it or be prepared to be criticized.

However, is it a big deal? I NEVER had my band play when the ball was in play for either team unless there was a situation where we were asked to do so, but is it really ruining the game? What's the difference between loud fans on their feet cheering on a big third down?

No one needs my permission to say that, but to drop it like the rule of God is flat-out wrong. I don't have a problem with saying it in a certain way or questioning it.

6. Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any
noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals (Rule 1-1-6).

is the rule. Could the team NOT hear? if that isn't the case, please can it.
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Rightupinthere wrote:
h2oville rocket wrote:
BGorDeath wrote:I really like OU's band.
OU has a good band.
If you like your ears to bleed, they are awesome.

Sorry, I don't like their sound. it's saying mcDonalds has a great cheeseburger.

Blech.
I really like McDonald's cheeseburgers, too.
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