BCS TOP 6

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:40 am

I thought a team in the TOP 6 is guaranteed to be in one of the 4 BCS Bowl games. When did I miss the memo where that is not the case????

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:00 pm

The Bowl is a top 6 bowl game to watch, not the teams.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:02 pm

It hasn't been the case at all. Utah gets an at-large bid becasue they finished in the top 6, and their conference does not otherwise get a bid. Cal fell out because of the shift in the polls and the way the conference and title game bids are handed out.

If Boise or Louisville had finished in the top six, they would have bumped sombody else as well.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:04 pm

I have no idea what your were trying to say their BELIEVE. They said all year Utah, if they finished in the Top 6 would go to a BCS bowl. With that said CAL finished what, 4th, so why did they not go to a BCS BOWL????? And didn't TEXAS finish 5th. So why did they go but not CAL

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:08 pm

The PAC 10 already has a bid, USC in the Orange.

If you read some media type that left you with the wrong idea, thats because most of them have flawed ideas of how it works anyway.

Cal was on the razors edge the last couple of weeks, because if Texas moved up in the poll voting, which it did, or if somebody else lost and Louisvillege moved up, Cal was going to get bumped.

The BCS would have to give five bids, if five of the top six teams were from non-BCS conferences. Utah was certain to get a bid with their finish because they come from a non-BCS league, thus the at-large rule trumped the normal bid ties.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:33 pm

There are a multitude of ways in which you can be given a guaranteed spot in the BCS Bowls. They are as follows:

A)Champion of one of the 6 BCS Conferences: Big East, ACC, SEC, Big10, Big12, Pac10

B)A team in a BCS conference that did not win its conference championship, but is in the top 4 of the overall BCS Standings.

C)A team in a non-BCS conference that finishes in the top 6 of the overall BCS Standings.

D)Notre Dame finishes the regular season with 9 or more wins.

Any of these things guarantee a berth in a BCS bowl. I was thinking about it earlier this weekend, and it seems quite plausible, actually, that the BCS could be put in a quandary if something freaky happened causing them to have more guaranteed spots in the bowls than were available.

Consider if Auburn & OU had both lost this weekend. Tennessee & Colorado would've been given guaranteed bids into the BCS for winning the conference championships. Utah would maintain its spot in the top 6 for sure. Isn't it quite possible that 2 of the group of Utah/Auburn/Texas would still be in the top 4, thus being guaranteed a spot in the BCS? That gives you 9 guaranteed bids into 8 spots. Ooops.

This is the sort of thing that we REALLY need to have happen to start bringing this BCS wall crumbling down. I hate the BCS with a passion. I'd rather have the old way, if we aren't going to have a playoff.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:35 pm

bgsufan1972 wrote:I have no idea what your were trying to say their BELIEVE. They said all year Utah, if they finished in the Top 6 would go to a BCS bowl. With that said CAL finished what, 4th, so why did they not go to a BCS BOWL????? And didn't TEXAS finish 5th. So why did they go but not CAL

Cal finished 5th behind Texas, in that "shift" NWLB was talking about. If your conference doesn't get an automatic bid (see Utah), you automatically get in if you're in the top 6. If you don't win your conference championship, but are in the top 4, you're guaranteed the first shot at an at-large bid.

EDITED TO SAY: Yeah, what hammb said.

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:11 pm

There are 4 BCS games, 8 teams. Automatically, the winner of the 6 conferences (ACC, B10, B12, BEast, Pac10, and SEC) all get a spot. That leaves 2 spots. The next spot goes to any non-BCS team that finishes in the top 6 (Utah). That leaves one final spot, which goes to the next team in the rankings (Texas).

If Cal had finished ahead of Texas, they would have gotten the last spot. Even more interesting, if Louisville or Boise had also been in the top 6, they would have gotten a BCS bowl and both Texas and Cal would be on the outside looking in. I just bet Louisville is kicking themselves for letting that big lead against Miami slip away. We could have seen 2 non-BCS teams in the money bowls.

(Earlier post was due to my confusion thinking that post was in reference to our Bowl game being ranked #6)

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:32 pm

BelieveNBG wrote:There are 4 BCS games, 8 teams. Automatically, the winner of the 6 conferences (ACC, B10, B12, BEast, Pac10, and SEC) all get a spot. That leaves 2 spots. The next spot goes to any non-BCS team that finishes in the top 6 (Utah). That leaves one final spot, which goes to the next team in the rankings (Texas).

If Cal had finished ahead of Texas, they would have gotten the last spot. Even more interesting, if Louisville or Boise had also been in the top 6, they would have gotten a BCS bowl and both Texas and Cal would be on the outside looking in. I just bet Louisville is kicking themselves for letting that big lead against Miami slip away. We could have seen 2 non-BCS teams in the money bowls.

(Earlier post was due to my confusion thinking that post was in reference to our Bowl game being ranked #6)

If Cal had finished ahead of Texas, they would've gotten the bowl solely because they were in the top 4. If neither of those teams had been in the top 4 the bowl reps would've been able to pick any team they wanted to.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:55 pm

hammb wrote:
BelieveNBG wrote:There are 4 BCS games, 8 teams. Automatically, the winner of the 6 conferences (ACC, B10, B12, BEast, Pac10, and SEC) all get a spot. That leaves 2 spots. The next spot goes to any non-BCS team that finishes in the top 6 (Utah). That leaves one final spot, which goes to the next team in the rankings (Texas).

If Cal had finished ahead of Texas, they would have gotten the last spot. Even more interesting, if Louisville or Boise had also been in the top 6, they would have gotten a BCS bowl and both Texas and Cal would be on the outside looking in. I just bet Louisville is kicking themselves for letting that big lead against Miami slip away. We could have seen 2 non-BCS teams in the money bowls.

(Earlier post was due to my confusion thinking that post was in reference to our Bowl game being ranked #6)

If Cal had finished ahead of Texas, they would've gotten the bowl solely because they were in the top 4. If neither of those teams had been in the top 4 the bowl reps would've been able to pick any team they wanted to.

Which interestingly enough would have, in my opinion, led the Rose Bowl to pick Cal anyways because it keeps the integrity of the Big 11 - Pac 10 matchup.

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:24 pm

If Cal had finished ahead of Texas, they would've gotten the bowl solely because they were in the top 4. If neither of those teams had been in the top 4 the bowl reps would've been able to pick any team they wanted to.

Being in the top 4 does not make it automatic. Theoretical Example:
-USC #1 and undefeated
-Michigan #2 and undefeated
-Wisonsin #3 and undefeated
-Ohio State #4 with one loss to Michigan
-Utah #6
-ACC Champion
-B12 Champion
-Big East Champion
-SEC Champion

USC, Mich, Wisonsin, Utah, and the 4 remaining conference champs would have a BCS bowl, but #4 Ohio State would not. Now, add Notre Dame to the mix with 9 wins, because ND with 9 wins is an automatic BCS bowl. This would also knock Wisconsin out of the mix, so both a #3 and #4 team would be left out.

The worst part about this whole BCS thing is if there are 2 non-BCS schools that are in the top 6 and ND has 9 wins, of the 2 at-large bids, one MUST go to ND and then the bowl picks one of the non-BCS teams.

Here are the rules...
http://www.fedex.com/us/sports/orangebowl/bcs.html

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:14 am

BelieveNBG wrote:
If Cal had finished ahead of Texas, they would've gotten the bowl solely because they were in the top 4. If neither of those teams had been in the top 4 the bowl reps would've been able to pick any team they wanted to.

Being in the top 4 does not make it automatic. Theoretical Example:
-USC #1 and undefeated
-Michigan #2 and undefeated
-Wisonsin #3 and undefeated
-Ohio State #4 with one loss to Michigan
-Utah #6
-ACC Champion
-B12 Champion
-Big East Champion
-SEC Champion

USC, Mich, Wisonsin, Utah, and the 4 remaining conference champs would have a BCS bowl, but #4 Ohio State would not. Now, add Notre Dame to the mix with 9 wins, because ND with 9 wins is an automatic BCS bowl. This would also knock Wisconsin out of the mix, so both a #3 and #4 team would be left out.

The worst part about this whole BCS thing is if there are 2 non-BCS schools that are in the top 6 and ND has 9 wins, of the 2 at-large bids, one MUST go to ND and then the bowl picks one of the non-BCS teams.

Here are the rules...
http://www.fedex.com/us/sports/orangebowl/bcs.html

ND having nine wins is not an automatic BCS berth. It means that ND has to win 9 games to be considered. It is in no way automatic. Example, 2002 ND 10-2, did not play in a BCS bowl....rightfully so.

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:27 pm

ND having nine wins is not an automatic BCS berth. It means that ND has to win 9 games to be considered. It is in no way automatic. Example, 2002 ND 10-2, did not play in a BCS bowl....rightfully so.

Yes it does. Just go read the section about Automatic Bids from the link in the earlier post. The rules were changed since 2002. They have revised the rules pratically every year, because they can't get it right. This article below explains the "new" rule in relation to ND and mentions the 2002 season.

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/8086375.htm

Mr. Frieda · Post by **Mr. Frieda** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:11 am

BelieveNBG wrote:
ND having nine wins is not an automatic BCS berth. It means that ND has to win 9 games to be considered. It is in no way automatic. Example, 2002 ND 10-2, did not play in a BCS bowl....rightfully so.

Yes it does. Just go read the section about Automatic Bids from the link in the earlier post. The rules were changed since 2002. They have revised the rules pratically every year, because they can't get it right. This article below explains the "new" rule in relation to ND and mentions the 2002 season.

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/8086375.htm

I feel the need to defend the accuracy of my hometown paper...therefore, LEARN TO READ!!!

Here's what it says, and I quote "Under the current contract, Notre Dame is guaranteed access to the BCS if there is only one at-large selection available to the BCS because an independent school or non-BCS conference champion finishes the season ranked in the top six of the BCS rankings and Notre Dame has at least nine wins or finishes in the top 10 of the BCS standings. "

This says nothing about being automatic, this says they get access to the BCS, not an automatic!!! They become eligible...that's what it says.

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:50 pm

Mr. Frieda:
You should take your own advice on the LEARN TO READ!!! My post referenced 2 links and if you read them both, you would have ran into the section about Automatic. Since you are having trouble reading, I will help you out:

Yes it does. Just go read the section about Automatic Bids from the link in the earlier post.

Now here is the link from the earlier post:

Here are the rules...
http://www.fedex.com/us/sports/orangebowl/bcs.html

Now for further help, I will do a copy and paste from that link (notice the word "Automatic" and also notice in every outcome, if ND has 9 wins or top ten, they must get one of those 2 non-BCS tie in spots). Funny how that reading thing works out.

Automatic Access For Institutions Without Guaranteed Access

Should a team from a conference which does not have an automatic selection or an independent institution be ranked in the top six* such team shall be guaranteed selection in one of the games of the Bowl Championship Series. In this event, should Notre Dame have a top ten ranking* or a record of at least 9 wins**, Notre Dame shall be guaranteed selection in one of the games of the Bowl Championship Series.

Should two teams from conferences which do not have an automatic selection or one or more independent institutions be ranked in the top six*, the bowls shall select these two top six* teams for the two at-large selections in the BCS. In this event, should Notre Dame have a top ten ranking* or a record of at least 9 wins**, the bowls shall select from among these two teams and Notre Dame for the two at-large selections.

Should three or more teams from conferences which do not have an automatic selection or one or more independent institutions (any combination totaling three or more teams) be ranked in the top six*, the bowls shall select from among these three or more top six* teams for the two at-large selections in the BCS. In this event, should Notre Dame have a top ten ranking* or a record of last least 9 wins**, the bowls shall select from among these three or more top six* teams and Notre Dame for the two at-large selections.

Any team from a conference with or without an automatic selection or any independent institution ranked number one or number two* will play in the championship game of the BCS. Should only one at-large selection be available as the result of an at-large team from a conference with an automatic selection, a team from a conference without an automatic selection or an independent being ranked number one or number two*, the following criteria for selection shall apply:

A. Should a team from a conference which does not have an automatic selection or an independent be ranked in the top six* and Notre Dame also has a record of at least 9 wins** or is ranked in the top ten*, the bowls shall select one of these two teams.

B. Should a team from a conference which does not have an automatic selection, an independent or an at-large team from a conference with an automatic selection be ranked number one or number two*, the bowls shall select the remaining at-large team from the pool of all eligible teams provided no other team from another conference without an automatic selection or an independent, including Notre Dame, is ranked in the top six*.